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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:59pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
I would love to see KC (considering final balls) at the wings as opposed to Moses Simon, but the problem is he cannot cover defensively. The full backs will need that sometimes. I prefer Iwobi as an AM. Iwobi was once described as similar to Edgar Davids, meaning he also has some defensive attributes. But as an AM Iwobi would have a wider angle than either of the wings, spreading passes forward, left or right. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:00pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
forgiveness:Heyyyy, not so fast. Get all baa wo? Ni bo? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:01pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Talking about pressing Ighalo does that a lot. Coaches instruct players to try to win the ball back. it's pretty basic to me. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 4:02pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
if they were well timed like you claim he should have aleast connected with one TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 4:03pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Magink: He remind me of Wilson Oruma who was highly under rated over a much more skilful and flamboyant Okocha who was quite often not that effective in occasion. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:04pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
junnyjake:Do you mean he is no longer first choice at his club side or the German national team? Cos last I heard if- it's the club-he's still the first choice oo |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 4:04pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
tbaba1234: To me Omeruo is already fast becoming yesterdays player in the face of better prospects. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 4:11pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
goldfish80:this is the kinda truth that makes someone forfeit his meal ![]() ![]() Abeg someone should counter this with reputable facts ![]() ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:12pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Let me throw this in.. Just want to give you an idea about how coaches make their decision. To start with, coaches have different winning philosophies and systems. They have preferred formations. And for a formation to do what it suppose to do players will have to have certain strengths. You want to look at where the player played in the past, what was that coach's formation and philosophy, how the player contributed to it. And if that team succeeded. These are different variables. When the player moves to another club, most times he meets a new coach with a different philosophy or preferred formation, and different set of teammates with different qualities from the those he once had. Which is why often times players are deployed to a different position, also considering the other player's strengths in the team. However, this change are rarely made as regards some playing positions. For example consider the former Ajax youth system. This is an excerpt from Edgar Davids interview I just stumbled across (take note of the bolded): You started at Ajax as a left-winger and struggled. How did you make the transition to midfield? Andrew Edmonds, via e-mail Davids: I started as a left-winger and second striker: a No.10. What is different in the Ajax system for a midfielder is that they can attack and also defend, so it is maybe that you have the holding player on the outside who is always protecting or defending. That's the system. It was Louis van Gaal's idea to move my position. Marc Overmars started playing on the left and was really good, so he had to adapt the situation to where I played in the midfield. On the left wing I felt isolated, but in the middle I was more part of the game. Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/edgar-davids-one-one#TgjPfXrrymOdtOyq.99 forgiveness: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 4:13pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
tbaba1234:You're not alone o. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 4:14pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie: Me too. Wouldn't be bad if he makes a permanent deal with them. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 4:15pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Humility017: I had this discussion with you sometime ago but you still do not get it. The EPL is unlike any other league across Europe. It is a completely international league in which English players have become the minority. When you look at the top 6 on a lot of occasions they may field a first 11, with no more than 1-3 English players in the team. On some occasions not a single English player. That will never happen in Spain, Italy, Portugal, Germany, France etc. So although the EPL us the most competitive league in the World you it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO LARGELY with national team prominence and or dominance. On the other hand there is no top 5 ranked nation by FIFA that will not have at least a number of thier highest performing and or top playing in the EPL. I ask you directly ![]() The comparison that you make is not substantively underpinned just mere sentiment. Shehu is an exception and far very far from the general trend. Better players play in top leagues full stop and the best in the best teams and best leagues. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:15pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Icon79:I don't think we are going to escape one of these teams. We better just get ourselves prepared and though it might be daunting and seemingly impossible, we can beat them if we put our hearts to it. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Fringes(m): 4:18pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Kog45: Mail sent. Ain't gotten your reply yet. Got to talk to you on telephone, if you wouldn't mind. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:18pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Very good points.. komekn: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Fringes(m): 4:19pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
komekn: You didn't reply my last mails. Had huge expectation after such good convo, you know. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by terzurum5(m): 4:21pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
tbaba1234:OK. I get your point. the technical crew should just extend invitations to him, let him prove what his has got to offer in camp. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 4:25pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
komekn: Meaning Tiago Ilori showed signs of outstanding quality to have played for Sporting Lisbon. Nice! ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 4:25pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
daveP: Na Griezmann come finish work on top our head. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:25pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie:It depends jare@few caps cos that might not be the reason. Iwobi's Dad wished he(as in the Dad himself) played for the Eagles. He never got the opportunity and so therefore when the opportunity came for his son, ooohh Joebie the man gave it all his support. Read this article on this link from 2015 and you'd feel the man's overweening support for his son to play for us. http://opera.pulse.ng/sports/football/alex-iwobi-arsenal-youngster-keen-to-play-for-nigeria-father-insists-id3516087.html On Dominic Iorfa I think he said that he wants his son to play for England at the youth level and that when the guy is 21 or so then they'd know which direction he'd pledge his international career. That to me is better than Ojokokojo who discouraged his son point blank. But we are all human beings and we do change our minds, don't we? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PDPGuy: 4:28pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie:I would also deploy him to the RB position cos we know that he is actually a natural RB. My full-backs to the WC would be Aina and Echiejile (at LB), and Shehu and Iorfa (at RB) Awaziem, as the specialist CB, would be back up to the Oyibo Wall. Of course, if both Balogun and Ekong are unavailable, then Awaziem could partner with Iorfa at CB. In fact, I like how the team is brimming with current and future talent. With appropriate tactics and luck on the side of the team, a World Cup quarter final isn’t out of the question. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:34pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
You've made a very good case for Salah. Moses has World Cup qualifying performances and his immense contribution towards Chelsea becoming EPL champions, to his favor. Salah's nominations will come to mind but Roma's achievement will also be checked Salah also has Nations Cup appearances to his favor, and he coincidentally, single-handedly denied Moses from participating. Salah single handedly made Egypt qualify for the world cup since 1990. At the end of the day it will all come down to voting. I personally thought Auba should have won the last APOTY ahead of Mahrez. But Leicester made a whole lot of noise because it was a fairy tale run to the crown for them. Mahrez played a huge part. And he was crowned the player of the season? Auba only had goals and AFCON participation to show for it. In a nutshell, it's who makes the most noise throughout the calendar year that would likely take it. For me, it's looking like Salah. But I hope it would be VicMo. if not this time, I believe a good World Cup showing for Moses will earn him the prize. goldfish80: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 4:34pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Mujtahida: His club-side. Planderatt (I don't know if the spelling is correct) has been putting him on the bench. The boy is quite good. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:35pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
blueto:To put the point in your first paragraph illustratively: many players use both feet and score with both but a close examination would reveal that they score more with one foot than the other. Same thing with positions. He'd perform well in some but more excellently in the one he's naturally suited for. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:42pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
A few caps may not be the reason.. there are many reasons not to be proud of Nigeria. you know that. We have no idea of their personal experiences besides just having a few caps. If I had a son that was good in football. Would I want him to play for Nigeria. Hell yea! Because I'm not only passionate about Nigeria football, but I hardly support other countries when it comes to football. So different strokes for different folks. Well Iorfa snr and Ojokojo are different. They have walked different paths and have different experiences. We can't be mad over people's personal decisions or how they choose to advice their children. That's why it's theirs, and we have ours. Mujtahida: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:47pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
chrisooblog:These things as in the Algerian match and others bar the Ndola match are so clear it beats me that it is even an issue to be debated |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:48pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
I'm not still very comfortable with Awaziem. I want to see him more in SE colors. That will have to apply to Iorfa as well. For now it's just Balogun and Ekong. But yes I think we have some good set of players. Hopefully we get the kind of bench that also deserve to start. PDPGuy: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by terzurum5(m): 4:51pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Icon4s:When I saw the moniker, I knew the thread is in trouble ![]() ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:52pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Joebie:Didn't you see him do that to Mweene? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:54pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Of course. I'm sure I mentioned that earlier. You have to be full of running when the opponent's CBs have the ball as well. I see lots of forwards to that. It's not necessarily a strength. Mujtahida: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:03pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Yes Oruma was very direct and a result driven #10. But Okocha was a phenomenon, sometimes to our own detriment. I will have to watch Josh. I'm sure their U21 coach had a vision -- good for us. komekn: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:05pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Mujtahida: On the contrary Sir I admire perfection, that cup should be filled with water and not a single drop should touch the floor, that for me is proper planning, everything has to be perfect atleast to a certain capacity. On the contrary, none of our goals that I can recall went the way of one touch two go(or one touch football). This goal against Zambia, VicMo was not going to pass that ball, God knows he was trying to beat his man and ran straight into him(perfect definition of a headless chicken to me), thank God for Shehu and there was no one touch football about it. The goal against Cameroon, first goal? Not one touch, second goal? Corner kick, third goal? No, it was only the fourth goal that looked like a quasi-one touch football in the build up so our one touch football is not that great. Like someone pointed out though, maybe it's the African terrain and I will put that into consideration which is why someone like forgiveness said he won't take the team serious until we play a grade A friendly on a good pitch, let's leave it there for now. Meanwhile I clearly said he is a good man manager. He has imbibed that competitive spirit in the team, in fact it was more evident in the game against cameroon when we were 4 goals up but we kept on chasing them down even till the last minute, I have always praised him for that(you said I hardly praise people right? Count that as number one). Everyone in the team is now hungry for success which is what Rohr brings to the team 1 Like |
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