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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:28am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Kog45: Not ready and he is not better than Dominic Iorfa 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danycrusoe(m): 11:35am On Oct 14, 2017 |
komekn: I saw ur subsequent comments much later after I had made mine |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:36am On Oct 14, 2017 |
forgiveness: You see Onazi has tenacity, a rugged determination garnished with skill good pace, vision and is very strong. He may have grown up on akpoo. With those attributes I can see him surviving the championship standing out and making it to the EPL. I have only seen Ajagun playing pretty football not getting down and dirty, that's why I rate Onazi more. But the final matter HEIGHT have you seen many short midfielders in the championship ![]() I rest my case, present your own. I could add on 2009 as a teenager hr looked old he looks older can those legs carry him with intense physio stamina required. This last paragraph is my biased unproven view. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:38am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Mujtahida: No let my scatter myself with laff oh Lol |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:41am On Oct 14, 2017 |
komekn:I think they have heard enough if this truth on this forum. Have they not said enough? Many in terrible ways. Has anyone ever complained that Kelechi has a bad behaviour? Since I started following that boy's interviews, the one constant I keep hearing is hard work. He works hard, he's not a robot. He is trying, but man cannot do everything on his own, there are many factors that come into play, not just in the game. ....in fact, I don't want to talk too much about Kelechi cuz sometimes, I think of him as me and when some people say stuff here, I really want to slap them because I feel like they are talking to me. You and many more will not understand....this angle you see it from is the angle of logic and logic is not always right. Good morning 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:43am On Oct 14, 2017 |
forgiveness: Like I said I'm going to see him and Hope play in 2 weeks and give my final live view on him. But when it comes the objective quantifiable attribute such as speed, power ( undiluted pounded yam) aerial ability and presence. Dominic towers well above him. On what basis do you rate him more ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:47am On Oct 14, 2017 |
safarigirl: Actually I have only heard 100% good reports about him his attitude exemplary. Humble down to earth not into wild living. Haven't spoken to anybody at Leicester but I assume it's the same. With regards to Success it's the opposite. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:52am On Oct 14, 2017 |
goldfish80: I didn't want to take this up but ok. Was Kalika at the Rio Olympics? No. Now one of the characteristics of a tactically sound manager is his ability to work with whatever he has at that particular time. Coming to the Rio games Etebo was our main attacking threat, he got injured in the first game yet the team continued strong without him. Azubuike got suspended and if not for Sadiq Umar we would have defeated Germany, easily. So the reason why we finished third was not because the coach was poor, infact the only reason why we finished third was because of the tactical strength of our bench and their ability to devise a working solution in the face of injury to key players, withdrawal of players and lack of preparation. If Iheanacho was in that match against Germany he would have buried two chances atleast and we would be singing his praises right now, was Kalika part of that team I ask again. On the other hand we have Rohr, the only game where he had to deal with injuries and unavailiability of key players guess what? We lost and we lost woefully without a single shot on target IIRC, what was our excuse? He is still new to the job but Siasia on his own part without even preparing well enough took an average side(after the withdrawal of several key players) despite further injuries to key players and still got to the semifinals. We can fault Siasia's team selection but saying that his success was because of Kalika is ridiculous 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:53am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Joebie: I will not answer this your question because it makes no sense, no offence 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:58am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:58am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Certitude: I am not sure anyone has ever questioned Keshi's tactical prowess, his team selection yes, but not his tactical ability. A tactically sound manager is one that can devise a feasible and effective formation no matter the players he has. The only game that has truly tested Rohr's tactical ability was the game against SA and he failed. Hopefully Mikel and VicMo won't play against Algeria then we will see how far we have gone. Siasia on the contrary has excelled in similar conditions. Rohr is the better manager all round but better tactician? Not even close 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:58am On Oct 14, 2017 |
komekn:I don't care about Success, I hear he is an idiot on social media as well, so whatever they say of him, I don't care. Na Kelechi I send for now. Just saying, he should be cut some slack...he's trying, I may not be in the inner caucus, but I know he's doing his best and he doesn't need to be beat down. Like I said, he comes off as a really bubbly person, a happy soul and all these 'criticisms' from people who don't know him, or his story, what he has gone through and is still going through, e no fresh. Half of the people saying these 'truths he needs to hear' can't even hear their own truths, bu because dem see Kelechi, na on top the boy head dem wan turn truth sayers Cut him some slack, dazall 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Fringes(m): 12:02pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
komekn: We exchanged 7 emails until I no longer heard from you. ![]() We were good to go on 16/01/17 - then you went on 'radio silence." ![]() Sent you a couple thereafter. I hope I haven't written too much here... |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:11pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
forgiveness:Four different squads you didn't see Uduokhai there yet you say he can EASILY make the team. How na? 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by blacksteel(m): 12:21pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
maidaboi:don't worry,we are strolling in gradually.... ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 12:24pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
Mujtahida:he meant the Fifth team ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:24pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
Danielnino00:It's an obsession. There's a drug named Thiago and forgiveness sniffs huge doses everyday, throughout the day 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:27pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
safarigirl:Hahahaha hahahaha with Thiago Ilori and Ajagun in it. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:34pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
Danielnino00: For clarification sake that Tiago Ilori has not depreciated, enjoy this article. ![]() In short, he went to one of the prospect for promotion into the EPL but unfortunately they lost in the play off promotion finals. . FRANKFURT AND FREIBURG LOOK TO SIGN TIAGO ILORI TIAGO ILORI TIM LUMB @TimLumb Eintracht Frankfurt and SC Freiburg are one of the few teams looking at signing Liverpool player Tiago Ilori this summer, according to the Liverpool Echo. The report names Frankfurt and Freiburg alongside Greek side Olympiakos and Spanish side Granada. Liverpool are thought to want to see him move away permanently, and they would like £3 million for him. The 23-year-old centre-back signed for Liverpool in 2013 from Sporting CP. He hasn’t played a Premier League game for the side, although he made three appearances in cup competitions last season. Gualter Fatia/Getty Images Sport Most of the time he was sent on loan by Liverpool. He spent a period of time at Granada, who are one of the interested parties. He’s also spent a period in the Ligue 1 with Bordeaux, as well as time with Aston Villa. The report states that Olympiakos would like to bring the 23-year-old in on loan, which may be against what Liverpool want to do. Freiburg has recently been promoted back to the Bundesliga, while Frankfurt were in a relegation battle last season. Liverpool have offloaded multiple players already this summer. Joe Allen, Jordan Ibe and Christian Benteke have all left Anfield for more than £10 million each. http://readbundesliga.com/2016/08/23/frankfurt-and-freiburg-look-to-sign-tiago-ilori/ |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:38pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
goldfish80:Please drive home this point. I didn't follow the Eagles much during Siasia's era and so I lacked the necessary information to carry on the debate with Mickael2. However I was struck by the fact that he was comparing a Siasia who failed to qualify Nigeria for Afcon with Rohr who lost just a match to South Africa. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:40pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
Mickael2: First of all, you have to appreciate the fact that the last Olympics was of a very low standard, no thanks to club's refusal to release players. I honestly think football should be scrapped from the Olympics if what was witnessed at the last tournament was anything to go by. Honduras getting to the Semi final was a reflection of how shiit the tournament was really.... In a tournament of top quality, you cannot go straight from the plane to the match venue and escape unpunished. Now coming to tactics, Siasia was totally exposed when he came up against a decent Colombia and German team. We lost those two games! Stay with me, against Germany. It was very obvious he had little or no background check on the German team. The balance of play reflected this. The German boys ran rings around us and tore us to pieces. We lost that game the way we did because the team was badly set up. It was one of the most one sided semi final game I have ever witnessed. To top it all, he even made a caricature of the team selection by taking a dwarf to the tournament. Lol 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:41pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
komekn: Hahahahahah! Ajagun is also as rugged as Onazi. He is more skillful and pacy than Onazi. Though short but he jumps like an antelope. ![]() He will fare very well in the Championship. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:46pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
Mickael2:Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha. Kai, I actually laughed hard at this. You are trying to get back at him because he earlier told you that your question was unintelligent. Hahahaha hahahaha. Human beings ehn, we funny. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:46pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Kalika speaking: As we talked, I asked him how much he knew of Nigeria’s first round opponents. He said not much. I managed to get this from my archive. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 12:55pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
Rohr has lost one game since he became manager. But he has also topped a group made up of 4 former African champions, including the current champions. Some people will tell us how 'untactical' he is because of the one loss but forget that he beat 3 african champions. Ask yourself, with Siasia's team selection, will we get out of this WC group? It is not as if Siasia has not been tried at national team level. We saw how bad his team selection was at the Olympics. A tactical side does not show the kind of atrocious defensive frailties that Nigeria showed at the olympics. Ekong and Daniel were the team's saviours several times. Rohr is a mature manager with vast experience. He is bringing that to play in Nigeria. For once, we do not have to deal with questionable invites and nepotism. For the forseeable future, keep the Nigerian coaches out. 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:59pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
goldfish80:Thank you. Load your Canon, Aim, Fire! On a more serious note, I say it's still early days to start making such comparisons between Rohr and Siasia and I can see that you have deftly avoided lauding Rohr whether in his 'now famed' man management style or tactical ability but you are focusing on Siasia because the track record is there. Rohr needs a run of time too before we can settle this issue. I know something about words:you repeat them often and then it sticks and sometimes passes as reality until it is examined. That's what they are doing now: he's not tactical, he's not tactical, he's not tactical and before long that notion becomes fixed. I repeat even with seven wins (five for the WCQ qualifiers, two friendlies) two draws and one defeat over a period of one year is in my estimation still too early to start making comparisons. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:59pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
komekn: In regards to the @bolded, please read and take note of the @bolded, then tell me if he lacks any of these attributes you just listed. ![]() [img]http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.rTwM2tJFLs9d-6OOtbYxhQDHEs&pid=15.1.jpg[/img]
http://anfieldindex.com/13716/tiago-ilori-progressing-nicely-loan-bordeaux.html These are why I rate him highly than Dominic Iorfa Jnr. I have seen both played but this is just to put the nail in the coffin. ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:00pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
this moment for your coronation tbaba1234: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:08pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: Who is faster between Onazi and Azeez? Who is faster between Azeez and Gabriel? ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:10pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: I hear you but I no gree. ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:11pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
elyte89: Is Ndidi not one of our best in Europe? ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:11pm On Oct 14, 2017 |
tbaba1234:The South African loss was a great blessing. I started off this discussion by posing questions. The issue was that Rohr is conservative with people like Humility017 and goodjoe stressing that point(and truly I can concede that that is likely given that Rohr is 64 but heck even Aragones who set the Spanish national team rolling in its heydays was old as well as Del Bosque who took over from him). I asked, is he conservative as regards 1)player personnel- considering the fact that he has reduced the teams average age? The man himself has said that he doesn't believe in one of the well tested clichés of Conservative coaches which is 'you never change a winning team' but still they no gree. 2)is he conservative tactically? Here they are even close to saying he is poor. At the end Siasia was thrown in as being far more tactically adept than Rohr but goldfish80 has stepped in to examine the much touted tactical nous of Siasia and Hmmmm, hmmm Finally you have given a fine expose on this issue but they will say the team has won the matches it won because of Rohr's man management skills and not tactics. As for me I feel time will tell. We would come back to have this discussion again in the future. 2 Likes |
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