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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:45pm On Oct 20, 2017
jihday:
exactly the season Dortmund dominated the league, they extended it to Europe which means if you are strong enough to dominate Bayern Munich then other
European teams shouldn't be a big deal

And how long ago was that A season in football is a long time and two seasons is history three is archived and of no present relevance.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:49pm On Oct 20, 2017
Mickael2:



No, but you think the championship and League One
are among the best leagues in the world



That's being presumptuous to a fault.

You have become a mind reader too.

Lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:52pm On Oct 20, 2017
komekn:


With regards to youth football access has nothing to do with nationality.

Most of the boys making waves in English football started in some of these academies at the age of 6/7.
Thier nationality was totally irrelevant what was pertinent is that at the initial stage they were within the local catchment area of the club and thier quality.

My reference point is youth academy football.

Late entrants to the academy system can be hampered not by race but by nationality.. As regulations concerning work permits will restrict thier acces to professional football in the UK.

The overriding issue will be quality. For Nwakali and Osimhen to be given straight access to these clubs. They must be recognised and established as exceptional talent above and over what is available in the UK.

The reality is that Osimhen and Nwakali are not exceptional world class talent. Now compare them to Gabriel Jesus who is in the same age group has light up the EPL and ripped up the script. within weeks.

That's not to say Nwakali and Osimhen are not very good players. But having played in the Eredivisie Nwakali has not set it on fire and neither has Osimhen. Until they do that access to opportunity in the EPL may be problematic.

Don't forget that KC came off the back of his performances in the U17 world cup as exceptional outstanding talent. Indeed for a time proved for the whole world to see his excellent quality That's why Leicester paid near £30 million for him.

So I reiterate that the issue is outstanding quality not nationality. To say that Nwakali is better than the top boys in Arsenal is to be biased the thing you have accused me of. Arsenal will only consider him as a possible future first team player just as Iwobi is.

Now consider where Iwobi was at at Nwakali age and you see there is much work for Nwakali to do.

Gabriel Jesus exposure has to do with the Brazilian system where young kids are groomed the old fashion way to fit big shoes.

Nwakali and Osimhen, are good maybe far better than some of the English lads getting easy pathways to the EPL.

If a player is not born into the system or put in early, it is difficult for the child. So like comparing Solanke's path to Osimhen does not add because Solanke is having an easy ride due to him born into the system. Not just talent.

Even a young Yaya Toure with all his talent was denied work permit. He was better than most but denied a work permit.

If Gabriel Jesus was to come as a young chap before him blowing at Palmeiras, he would not find it easy.

Where you are born matters a lot. When you compare Solanke's path to Osimhen and Nwakali.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:55pm On Oct 20, 2017
komekn:


With regards to youth football access has nothing to do with nationality.

Most of the boys making waves in English football started in some of these academies at the age of 6/7.
Thier nationality was totally irrelevant what was pertinent is that at the initial stage they were within the local catchment area of the club and thier quality.

My reference point is youth academy football.

Late entrants to the academy system can be hampered not by race but by nationality.. As regulations concerning work permits will restrict thier acces to professional football in the UK.

The overriding issue will be quality. For Nwakali and Osimhen to be given straight access to these clubs. They must be recognised and established as exceptional talent above and over what is available in the UK.

The reality is that Osimhen and Nwakali are not exceptional world class talent. Now compare them to Gabriel Jesus who is in the same age group has light up the EPL and ripped up the script. within weeks.

That's not to say Nwakali and Osimhen are not very good players. But having played in the Eredivisie Nwakali has not set it on fire and neither has Osimhen. Until they do that access to opportunity in the EPL may be problematic.

Don't forget that KC came off the back of his performances in the U17 world cup as exceptional outstanding talent. Indeed for a time proved for the whole world to see his excellent quality That's why Leicester paid near £30 million for him.

So I reiterate that the issue is outstanding quality not nationality. To say that Nwakali is better than the top boys in Arsenal is to be biased the thing you have accused me of. Arsenal will only consider him as a possible future first team player just as Iwobi is.

Now consider where Iwobi was at at Nwakali age and you see there is much work for Nwakali to do.

Look at Awo. If he was born in England, his treatment would have been better by Liverpool. Same for Nwakali. Due to where they were born, they are treated badly. Worst is even Arsene Wenger.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enomakos(m): 10:56pm On Oct 20, 2017
PDPGuy:
Speaking of making history, will likely be the “most experienced” player at the 2018 World Cup. He was Italy’s 2nd choice keeper at the 1998 World Cup. And he has played for the senior national team for 20 years now shocked
Gigi buffon
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:57pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Recycled news. Nothing different from the first one you posted.


They are all for the discerning mind to judge.

Liverpool consider letting Divock Origi leave before dead line day

Jurgen Klopp would ideally like yo keep Divock Origi at Anfield but is also keen to be fair to the Belgium striker and his World Cup hopes

25 August 2017 • 10:30pm

Divock Origi may be allowed to leave Liverpool before Thursday’s transfer deadline after slipping down Jürgen Klopp’s Anfield pecking order.

The Belgium striker is yet to start a game this season and has made only one substitute appearance, in the 3-3 draw with Watford.

Origi was not even on the bench for Liverpool’s Champions League qualifier victory over Hoffenheim this week because Klopp preferred Daniel Sturridge and youngster Dominic Solanke as his substitute strikers



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/25/liverpool-consider-letting-divock-origi-leave-deadline-day/
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PDPGuy: 11:02pm On Oct 20, 2017
enomakos:
Gigi buffon
Yeah.
Na typo I made
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:07pm On Oct 20, 2017
Chai Acho has become so poor that his diehard fans are now pondering over sending him to China (of all places) for more football education.

Dude should seek a loan outta Leicester, else...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PDPGuy: 11:09pm On Oct 20, 2017
Could Osimhen and Tammy Abraham be the Super Eagles front two at the world cup?

They both stand at 6'1'' and 6'4'' respectively, which could be useful during aerial duels with opposing center-halves; and Osimhen is quite pacy too, as evidenced at the last U-17 tournament.

Or should Rohr stick to fielding just one striker?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:12pm On Oct 20, 2017
When Dominic Solanke joined Liverpool this summer and began to overtake Divock Origi as third-choice striker, it was clear that Origi would have to go out on loan to get game time. And, in fact, in the last hours of the transfer window, Liverpool secured a season-long loan to Wolfsburg for the player



https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-news-coverage/2017/9/6/16258132/divock-origi-relishes-new-bundesliga-challenge-loan-wolfsburg-liverpool

cc/ thegoodjoe grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:18pm On Oct 20, 2017
forgiveness:



When Dominic Solanke joined Liverpool this summer and began to overtake Divock Origi as third-choice striker, it was clear that Origi would have to go out on loan to get game time. And, in fact, in the last hours of the transfer window, Liverpool secured a season-long loan to Wolfsburg for the player



https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-news-coverage/2017/9/6/16258132/divock-origi-relishes-new-bundesliga-challenge-loan-wolfsburg-liverpool

cc/ thegoodjoe grin

Another recycled news. As I said, with or without the arrival of Solanke, Origi would have gone on loan. Solanke's position down the pecking order of selection proves this.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:20pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Just imagine statement. So because Maribor is playing Europa League with Arsenal, they are in the same level.

Your understanding of football frightens me.

ok, answer my questions grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:22pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Another recycled news. As I said, with or without the arrival of Solanke, Origi would have gone on loan. Solanke's position down the pecking order of selection proves this.

See as those articles just dey paint you as lair. Chai! grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 11:22pm On Oct 20, 2017
komekn:





That's being presumptuous to a fault.

You have become a mind reader too.

Lol



grin I don't complain too much about it because we share the same ideology. You can start a debate about the NPFL, I will keep quiet because I don't know too much about it, but when it comes to La Liga/Segunda and even Segunda2 I will jump in and defend their quality. I guess that's the same ideology you employ, you only talk about what you know
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:26pm On Oct 20, 2017
ChrisKels:
Chai Acho has become so poor that his diehard fans are now pondering over sending him to China (of all places) for more football education.

Dude should seek a loan outta Leicester, else...

Iheanacho is not poor and the consideration has to do with Iheanacho working under a top manager. It I not easy for a top manager to have faith in a young player.

Pellegrini's track record of working with the likes of Sorin, Riquelme, Guiseppe Rossi, Diego Forlan, Santiago Carzola, Isco, Roque Santa Cruz and a host of others makes him a good candidate to finalize Nacho's development.

There are few coaches with such history you can trust. It is not about poor but continous development.

I am also thinking MLS, NYFC. So Nacho can work with Patrick Vieira who started a good job with Iheanacho at City where he tried Moulding Iheanacho to play like Henry. Vieira has done a fantastic job with Jack Harrison with the young man playing along side Lampard, Pirlo and David Villa.

The formative years is not for glory but development.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:27pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Despite scoring 72 goals in 187 appearances for City, the Bosnian forward has been told he can leave the Etihad Stadium after falling out of favour under Pellegrini, who is ready to operate with Raheem Sterling and Nigerian teenager Kelechi Iheanacho as cover for Sergio Aguero and Wilfried Bony this season.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11783484/Manchester-City-news-Edin-Dzeko-granted-14m-move-to-Roma.html

I hope you can read the bolded.

So,this one you presented is not recycled article because it was sanctioned by angel Gabriel, ba? shocked shocked shocked grin grin grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:27pm On Oct 20, 2017
Mickael2:



grin I don't complain too much about it because we share the same ideology. You can start a debate about the NPFL, I will keep quiet because I don't know too much about it, but when it comes to La Liga/Segunda and even Segunda2 I will jump in and defend their quality. I guess that's the same ideology you employ, you only talk about what you know

He can talk about what he knows but not belittle what he does not know.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:27pm On Oct 20, 2017
PDPGuy:
Could Osimhen and Tammy Abraham be the Super Eagles front two at the world cup?

They both stand at 6'1'' and 6'4'' respectively, which could be useful during aerial duels with opposing center-halves; and Osimhen is quite pacy too, as evidenced at the last U-17 tournament.

Or should Rohr stick to fielding just one striker?
One striker with usual wingers. sub the striker in 2nd half for one that can use head well, thereby making our wingers rest. an amf can continue with shots.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:28pm On Oct 20, 2017
forgiveness:


So,this one you presented is not recycled article because it was sanctioned by angel Gabriel, ba? shocked shocked shocked grin grin grin

Explain how it is recycled.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:29pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Explain how it is recycled.

You should be doing that. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:30pm On Oct 20, 2017
forgiveness:


See as those articles just dey paint you as lair. Chai! grin

You are the one consoling yourself believing cartoon talk like Solanke chased Origi. Apart from bloggers writing, you have no quote from Klopp or his coaching crew saying such.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:31pm On Oct 20, 2017
The way u guys engage in crappy arguments is really disappointing. Wetin concern Solanke, concern our lack of potent strikers at the moment? Is he in any way a solution to the problem? Una funny.

Osimhen please get me a goal by the weekend to shoot yourself back to reckoning. I go like c u for that Algeria list.

Good luck to Acho too.

Abraham you are keeping us waiting.

Rohr please try out Onuachu, he might turn out to be an upgrade on the so called Abraham.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:33pm On Oct 20, 2017
forgiveness:


You should be doing that. grin

You need to audition for Animaniacs. Because of your cartoon analysis. You said my post is recycled, I said how, you said, "I should be doing that."

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:36pm On Oct 20, 2017
forgiveness:



They are all for the discerning mind to judge.

Liverpool consider letting Divock Origi leave before dead line day

Jurgen Klopp would ideally like yo keep Divock Origi at Anfield but is also keen to be fair to the Belgium striker and his World Cup hopes

25 August 2017 • 10:30pm

Divock Origi may be allowed to leave Liverpool before Thursday’s transfer deadline after slipping down Jürgen Klopp’s Anfield pecking order.

The Belgium striker is yet to start a game this season and has made only one substitute appearance, in the 3-3 draw with Watford.

Origi was not even on the bench for Liverpool’s Champions League qualifier victory over Hoffenheim this week because Klopp preferred Daniel Sturridge and youngster Dominic Solanke as his substitute strikers



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/25/liverpool-consider-letting-divock-origi-leave-deadline-day/

Cartoon people. Origi was not in the list because he was finalizing his departure. Na wa.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:38pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I will not lie to you. I pondered whether it was the wrong choice Iheanacho not opting for a move to China with Pellegrini. Back then, I did not entertain the idea but today, I feel that was the best decision.

Iheanacho would have made money and continued working with a manager who truly believed in him.

Another person like that is the current Southampton coach, Pellegrino. He followed Benitez like MTN. Everywhere he went.


For what?? You're kidding right?? At this age?

Pelligrini won't be the only manager to believe in his talent, his problems started when he opted for the British passport.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:39pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Iheanacho is not poor and the consideration has to do with Iheanacho working under a top manager. It I not easy for a top manager to have faith in a young player.

Pellegrini's track record of working with the likes of Sorin, Riquelme, Guiseppe Rossi, Diego Forlan, Santiago Carzola, Isco, Roque Santa Cruz and a host of others makes him a good candidate to finalize Nacho's development.

There are few coaches with such history you can trust. It is not about poor but continous development.

I am also thinking MLS, NYFC. So Nacho can work with Patrick Vieira who started a good job with Iheanacho at City where he tried Moulding Iheanacho to play like Henry. Vieira has done a fantastic job with Jack Harrison with the young man playing along side Lampard, Pirlo and David Villa.

The formative years is not for glory but development.

Answer the questions below then.


TheGoodJoe:



[quote author=TheGoodJoe post=41588483]

This is Nacho's first year as a professional footballer. I believe Nacho getting games with Man City makes him a more rated player than Solanke.

I do not rate regular time over working with the top players and coaches. Nacho also gets to play with these players. The time for game time will come. For now, he is to learn.

Now, answer questions and leave out stories. grin

Do you still believe in what you said in your first paragraph? grin

I mean, Do you believe that Solanke getting games with Liverpool makes him a more rated player than Origi, Osimhen and Iheanacho? grin yeah! my head. *Takes cover* grin

Abi, Klopp and Liverpool players are not top coaches and players? shocked grin

Compare Liverpool with Wolfsburg fc and Leicester-city-fc. Na. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:41pm On Oct 20, 2017
junnyjake:



For what?? You're kidding right?? At this age?

Pelligrini won't be the only manager to believe in his talent, his problems started when he opted for the British passport.

At which age. Iheanacho is still a developing young player. Working with a manager who knows the art of developing young players will go a long way. There are few with such track records as Pellegrini.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:42pm On Oct 20, 2017
forgiveness:




Liverpool and Manchester City are two different categories. Nacho being on the bench at City is far more than Solanke being a bencher at Liverpool.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:45pm On Oct 20, 2017
forgiveness:


Answer the questions below then.



Do not get too excited because Klopp said he did not know Solanke. Let us see his verdict before spreading gist like pursuing Origi.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:45pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Liverpool and Manchester City are two different categories. Nacho being on the bench at City is far more than Solanke being a bencher at Liverpool.

Explain. shocked grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:47pm On Oct 20, 2017
How Klopp kicked Benteke out of Liverpool.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:48pm On Oct 20, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Do not get too excited because Klopp said he did not know Solanke. Let us see his verdict before spreading gist like pursuing Origi.

And Klopp futher said 'I trust my scouts' Didn't you see that? grin

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