Bolaji21:
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Kindly provide the chapter and verse of the Bible where it was recorded that Jesus whipped merchants.

The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. 15 Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables 16 He told those who were selling the doves, “Take these things out of here! Stop making my Father’s house a marketplace!”

Seun:

The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. 15 Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 He told those who were selling the doves, “Take these things out of here! Stop making my Father’s house a marketplace!”

Proudgorgeousga:



religion
noun

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

deism
noun
1. belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.


how are they the same?

Bolaji21:

I see whip was mentioned as bolded.
But I still don't see where it was stated that he used whips on merchants or whipped merchants

sirfee:
Stop stressing yourself.

Seun:

So you think he just threatened the merchants and livestock with a whip and they all ran out of the temple even though he never used the whip on any of them?

Bolaji21:

I'm not thinking anything. You claimed Jesus whipped merchants, you're yet to show me where it was stated.

Seun:
I think it is clearly implied in that passage. My understanding of that passage is that he must have flogged a few merchants and said something like "get out! get out!" to force the traders out. He would not have made the whip if he didn't intend to use it, and he would have had to use it to achieve his goal.

Seun:

Jesus did not beat up witches, but he is said to have whipped merchants in the temple, so he was not totally against whipping people.

winner01:
Are you against whipping those who use the church a sword an excuse to loot "gullible worshippers"?

superhumanist:

I must first state that I am not an atheist but I am a deist. I was enlightened by an atheist when I was a christian and I left the religion.

Having grown up in a religious village, I was exposed to a lot of superstitious beliefs which were sometimes harmful to innocent people. It was an atheist roommate in the city who helped me to understand that life is not kind to ignorant superstitions. I will never forget this roommate of mine who fought with me tirelessly in order to get me to stop doing ignorant things in the name of religion. I hated him in the beginning and now I really respect him.

I still believe in a god but not the christian god or personal god.


I believe that atheists have a role to play in Nigeria even if it only begins on the internet. Atheists could save many people from superstitious rubbish. What if I told you that I regret beating up a child who I thought was a witch? An innocent child. That was who I was when I was deeply religious. My point is that atheists should keep up the arguments and debates. You never know who you could change.

I know some people will disagree with me and that is fine. It is a free world. Peace.

9jakohai:



(In making fun of someone mode)

Wonders shall never end!

Once upon a time, atheists used to tell everyone that they were 'not a religion'

Now....we have atheist churches, atheist youth camp, and now someone is saying that atheists should evangelize for their 'belief'

Coming up next.....ATHEIST CRUSADE.....theme 'Believe in thyself' with ministrations from the Reason Choir. Come and be freed from your religious bondage!

And coming to a bookstore near you....How I became a born again atheist!

(Atheism is now a religion, who would have thought! )

Look....one reason why I admire atheists is because they do not go for that thing of 'converting people to atheism'. That is what we deluded Christians , Muslims, etc are supposed to be doing!

Atheism is not a religious belief or a belief period. Don't make it one (See me, a religious born again Christian is the one saying it!).

Atheist church (in case you think I made it up): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Assembly

Seun:

So you think he just threatened the merchants and livestock with a whip and they all ran out of the temple even though he never used the whip on any of them?

armadeo:


Sorry to derail.

I have issues opening the front page on nairaland directly it shows a smiley or some numbers. I start rolling round and round trying to get to front page.

What's up with that.

Seun:
It's probably a network issue. So sorry about that. What network are you on?

Boscojugunu:
I experience the same here ooo. Otisumi

superhumanist:


I am not confused. I am seeing very clearly.

There are positive messages in humanism and secular morality. For instance, I tell people to do good for goodness sake (and not for any religion or god)

If you have some spare time, please do some reading on secular morality. Here is a link if you are interested; http://www.atheismandthecity.com/2013/02/a-case-for-secular-morality-objective.html

GoodMuyis:


You are confused,

Confused with Natural tendency with Religion.

Religion (Christianity) only add values to people's moral stance. Naturally people can good or bad be it atheist or not.

Seun:
It's probably a network issue. So sorry about that. What network are you on?

Seun:
It's probably a network issue. So sorry about that. What network are you on?

Seun:
It's probably a network issue. So sorry about that. What network are you on?

Seun:
It's probably a network issue. So sorry about that. What network are you on?

Bolaji21:

Since the creature has the ability to exist without coordination from the creator, the creature is responsible for his actions. Man is responsible for the woes you listed up there. Or is the inventor of television to blame for the port that's aired on it 24/7? Is the inventor of gun powder to blame for word war 1&2? Sure you can't blame this people.



You've decided to see free will as ability to rebel. That's half truth. I can't help you with that.



I've not said God didn't plan about the foreknowledge he had. That's why there was a Jesus to die for the redemption of Man. The book of revelation documents the plan of God based on his foreknowledge of the entirety of time.
It's not that hard to comprehend if you want to.



A creator is supposed to take permission from a creature before he creates that creature? Does that even make logical sense?


God is the great Monarch of the Universe. By that, he's not answerable to anyone. However, he's not a tyrant. All his creatures must always see that he's just.


All things (including man) were created for His pleasure. Man was not created to showoff to or please the heavenly beings already in existence. But Man was created for the pleasure of God. It's that simple.



I'm glad I'm a Man. If I were to chose again and again (though it's not real), I'll choose to be a man. You may not understand why though.




Trust me, if u were chicken u will be glad u are a chicken.
In all honesty, sometimes I wish I have more sophisticated abilities like disappearing, flying or reading the mind.
If God had made me an animal, a being with no freewill or a being with superhuman abilities I will still live with however he created me just I am living with what I am now. In essence if I have no free will or if I was an animated, I would still have nothing to lose.
Unfortunately, you're created and the creator decides what to create.



Lol now u are talking like the corruption of man was a surprise to God...well I have already shown u why I think this mission was pointless and avoidable.
The corruption of Man didn't come as a surprise to the Omniscient God. We've already gone past that.



I am not sure of this... I am yet to see proof. But u are free to believe anything... In my opinion it is just a Jewish folk tale.
Doesn't that sound like you got no other counter-argument?



U can say that, but if he can fail in almost three projects, he can fail again.
Project angel... Failure
Project man... Failure
Project Noah... Failure
Project Jesus... Millions still going to hell, devil is still ruling
I really cannot trust him with project hevean.
You see it as failure, I see it as permitting some things to happen. An omniscient and omnipotent God cannot fail.




Good,
If u are a 65 years old man with a 30years old son. You know that if he gets married to the girl he is dating... If he freely chooses to marry her, he will definitely cheat on her and this will lead to a fight where she will make him blind forever.
As a father who has foreknowledge, you know this already... Would u expect him not to cheat on his wife when he gets married?

I'd expect him to go by my recommendation and choose wisely. But I won't take his freedom of choice away.
Pls answer this question correctly


Wouldn't the best to do be make alternative arrangements that would prevent the catastrophy?
Well, God made an arrangement for every thing. That's why there was Jesus to die.


Would u sit down and watch destroy himself while u expect him to do what u already know he wouldn't do?
Again if at the end of the day u can't do anything about it, then ur foreknowledge ability is useless, don't u think?
I'd forewarn him.
Then I'll watch and let him use his will first (justice). If I don't, then I'm being a bad father by taking away his freedom in the name of protection.
But I'll make arrangements to salvage the situation when he makes the wrong choice (love).

hopefulLandlord:
someone can't seem to do without quoting me

Jesuschrist419:
hopefulLandlord What happened to that Segunojo866 guy?

hopefulLandlord:


what exactly led to this question?

Jesuschrist419:
I think nairaland banned him. Hahahahahaha the guy wahala too much

hopefulLandlord:


okay, nothing new, we all get banned from time to time