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Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by honmusa(m): 8:10pm On Oct 20, 2017
obekediamondfuto:


oga wetin happen sef, which one is kids again? last time I checked elders respect themselves and others so they can be respected in return! everyone here is speaking based on their area of specialization, references and experience.
those that refuse to take ur own r kids? which video exactly? do u know how many YouTube videos contradict themselves? are the video owners not professionals or self acclaimed experts? noro nu otu nga oh.

wen u try so hard to drive a point, it makes u look weak and unlearned and either poorly informed or uninformed. the bottom line is op should change intake body.
Sorry sir .You are free to believe in anything .I don't have that resource of time to engage in endless argument .
Everything u say is right .
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 8:28pm On Oct 20, 2017
honmusa:

The video will definite look confusing or wrong if you want to hide from the fact that is staring right at your face .
In the video a customer has the same issue discussed here air (torn air duct )and ,error code of P0171 (system lean ) pop up whem scanned and you are still admitting is fraud .I cant even come to term with the reality that people can be this ignorant .

nope I didn't admit that they r fraud, I meant most of them claim to know what they do on video and some of them are experts yet u don't hear anyone post a video saying all other contradictory videos are from kids. some of those videos should not be encouraged. my take still stands and it's based on research.

cheers
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by GAZZUZZ(m): 8:35pm On Oct 20, 2017
I have gotten a donor camry 1998 with a 5sfe engine. I will use scientific Data to prove my points. I might even do a youtube video tongue
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 8:35pm On Oct 20, 2017
honmusa:

Sorry sir .You are free to believe in anything .I don't have that resource of time to engage in endless argument .
Everything u say is right .

on the contrary, I might not be right.... heck I'm not even a techie.... just a diy guy with a lot of experience with different brands.

when I need correction, it should be done with tangible proof and not with arrogance.

also you r not always right, the earlier u acknowledge that the better for everyone and that includes u fortunately.

lastly na u be sir, afterall u don dey learn maf and map before ................ I no be ur sir oh
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 8:41pm On Oct 20, 2017
GAZZUZZ:
I have gotten a donor camry 1998 with a 5sfe engine. I will use scientific Data to prove my points. I might even do a youtube video tongue

baba I think the argument is literature based, vacuum housing pressure and intake suction...... abeg post make I learn.

our very own. indigenous Gazuzz posting a video on YouTube to contradict a white man's video.

sultaan where art thou? white or black.
#noracism#
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by Inception(m): 8:59pm On Oct 20, 2017
GAZZUZZ:
I have gotten a donor camry 1998 with a 5sfe engine. I will use scientific Data to prove my points. I might even do a youtube video tongue

Does your Honda have both MAP and MAF sensors? undecided
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by mayor2013: 9:25pm On Oct 20, 2017
Am back what did I miss here grin
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by LeJeun3: 11:19pm On Oct 20, 2017
Waiting for video..........

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Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by chukel(m): 4:50am On Oct 21, 2017
honmusa:

Can u explain why map was dropped in favour of maf in subsequent later model of Camry ,I want to learn from u .I am sure you are not born yet when I start to understand the concept of maf and map.
Too many small kids in car talk this days ,no wonder Siena left for goods.
I just put up a video now to show that 5S engine can run lean even with map sensor to prove that concept of map sensor not responding to vacuum leak is not applicable in this case .So what else again u need to hear
you are too emotional to be an adult. U r too spiteful to be mature. U keep derailing and going in circus. Always proud of what you don't know. Wallow in your ignorance.

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Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by diportivo: 9:01am On Oct 21, 2017
na wa o

which kind talk be all of this one sef

I had to go look for my birth cert again to be sure I'm eligible to be on nairaland....this one grey hair is a criterion undecided

this guy doesn't even know why Siena left for "goods" grin

he thinks its cos siena doesn't have the cojones to argue out what he believes in grin grin

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Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 11:50am On Oct 21, 2017
I decided not to respond to this thread again so I won't cross my boundaries with the real elders of this forum.

but ehn I need everyone to watch that video.
please watch it, including the op. then tell me the points derived from that video and I can categorically tell u that u will be amazed at the level of ignorance in display here.

please watch the video. Infact the only point the video maker could deduce from the broken intake boot is dirty and unfiltered air entering the engine.
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by krisrock(m): 3:07pm On Oct 21, 2017
So as Gazzuzz said, my car was the Guinea pig for this experiment. I will just paste the pictures for you all to see for yourself

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Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by Inception(m): 3:14pm On Oct 21, 2017
krisrock:
So as Gazzuzz said, my car was the Guinea pig for this experiment. I will just paste the pictures for you all to see for yourself

come this matter is getting overflogged angry

Why your tiny light wan mess? see as e set yansh grin angry cheesy cheesy

Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by GAZZUZZ(m): 4:08pm On Oct 21, 2017
camry 1998 5s-fe engine.

Vehicle has no check MILs stored on Engine ecu car is carefully used and maintained by Gazzuz wink

Now I dont have time or data to waste making a youtube video, so I will share live data readings.


Aim of this experiment is to show that MAP values will NOT change with or without the air hose installed on ANY vehicle that uses only the MAP system.

Also fuel trim levels will not show a significant change if air hose is disconnected from throttle body.

Car will not enter into lean mode I left like that perpetually.

Loading pictures......

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Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by Inception(m): 4:13pm On Oct 21, 2017
Inception:


I Think they do.
the issue is the situation where either sensor performs below threshold.

MAP sensors due to its design purpose is usually located where the best amount of vacuum can be measured. this is why it is located very close to the intake manifold (in most cases, the throttle body). Like i said earlier, any leak BEFORE this point should not give problems. But leaks after this point will definitely cause engine performance issues. Therefore only leaks around the manifold gasket, throttle body gasket or the manifold itself (cracked manifold) should be suspected when such issues arise, NOT leaking hoses.

The MAF on the other hand measures volume of air, which is then stoicometrically compensated for via the required pulse with of the injectors, depending on the driving conditions. For it to be most effective, it is always located immediately after the Air filter box. This means that any air that goes into the engine after this point will be unaccounted for, giving rise to lean codes and whatnot.

Some cars use both systems e.g 2008 Honda accord 4 cylinder( Gazzuzz check your engine bay, i might be wrong).

In the OP's case, what he should be worried about is the quality of air going into the combustion chamber. It would definitely affect the MAP sensor, which will end up becoming dirty and may start giving false readings to the ECU. , causing engine performance problems...
This is aside the long term damage it might cause the engine.
GAZZUZZ:
camry 1998 5s-fe engine.

Vehicle has no check MILs stored on Engine ecu car is carefully used and maintained by Gazzuz wink

Now I dont have time or data to waste making a youtube video, so I will share live data readings.


Aim of this experiment is to show that MAP values will NOT change with or without the air hose installed on ANY vehicle that uses only the MAP system.

Also fuel trim levels will not show a significant change if air hose is disconnected from throttle body.

Car will not enter into lean mode I left like that perpetually.

Loading pictures......



You will only prove the bolded RIGHT.

If you study the engine bay carefully of the 1997-2001 camry (4 cyl), you will see that the MAP sensor has its separate vacuum line to the intake manifold. ( the MAP sensor of this car is attached close to the engine firewall). Only when this line is compromised is when you will get engine performance issues.
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by chukel(m): 6:31pm On Oct 21, 2017
Inception:




You will only prove the bolded RIGHT.

If you study the engine bay carefully of the 1997-2001 camry (4 cyl), you will see that the MAP sensor has its separate vacuum line to the intake manifold. ( the MAP sensor of this car is attached close to the engine firewall). Only when this line is compromised is when you will get engine performance issues.
and this is what we have been trying to make the so called professional who is older than our fathers understand. Because of the position of the map, the vehicle will not run lean. But he has been bringing irrelevant issues. To him, a leak before a maf will also cause a car to run lean. Smh. Abegi, thanks to gazzuzz, inception and obekediamondfuto. U guys know ur onion. Not people who gallivant all over nairaland dragging unfortunate clients to their shades.

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Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by mayor2013: 9:28pm On Oct 21, 2017
Where are the pictures or videos. I need this to be done in 2 ways. One is the default setting i.e with a none leaking intake air hose and also with a leaking air hose. Also let's make sure this is also done while car is ldling and while car is on motion. Am interested in seeing the values from the data stream
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 10:38pm On Oct 21, 2017
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by oyefelix(m): 11:08pm On Oct 21, 2017
Long term ft-16.3
Short term ft- 0.77
Meaning -the car is lean
Winner - honmusa and mayor2013
Loser- one eye king Gazuz with his 4 blind fellows (sycophants) - chukel,disportivo,inception ,
obekediamondfuto
honmusa no be una mate o,respect grey hair.una be small small children as him claim.
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by Inception(m): 11:42pm On Oct 21, 2017
oyefelix:
Long term ft-16.3
Short term ft- 0.77
Meaning -the car is lean
Winner - honmusa and mayor2013
Loser- one eye king Gazuz with his 4 blind fellows (sycophants) - chukel,disportivo,inception ,
obekediamondfuto
honmusa no be una mate o,respect grey hair.una be small small children as him claim.

Bro,

The acceptable fuel trim tolerance for both long term and short term is +/-20% for this camry.( according to Toyota specifications)
This is according to Toyota factory service manual( you can easily get one on the internet ).

So the trim is still within spec. ( long term I mean).
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by oyefelix(m): 11:43pm On Oct 21, 2017
GAZZUZZ:
camry 1998 5s-fe engine.

Vehicle has no check MILs stored on Engine ecu car is carefully used and maintained by Gazzuz wink

Now I dont have time or data to waste making a youtube video, so I will share live data readings.


Aim of this experiment is to show that MAP values will NOT change with or without the air hose installed on ANY vehicle that uses only the MAP system.

Also fuel trim levels will not show a significant change if air hose is disconnected from throttle body.

Car will not enter into lean mode I left like that perpetually.

Loading pictures......
Oga your image show lean na finally .what do you say about .abi na trial and error una don dey do since for una shades dey cajor people .
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by oyefelix(m): 11:45pm On Oct 21, 2017
Inception:


Bro,

The acceptable fuel trim tolerance for both long term and short term is +/-20% for this camry.( according to Toyota specifications)
This is according to Toyota factory service manual( you can easily get one on the internet ).

So the trim is still within spec. ( long term I mean).

Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 11:54pm On Oct 21, 2017
oyefelix:
Long term ft-16.3
Short term ft- 0.77
Meaning -the car is lean
Winner - honmusa and mayor2013
Loser- one eye king Gazuz with his 4 blind fellows (sycophants) - chukel,disportivo,inception ,
obekediamondfuto
honmusa no be una mate o,respect grey hair.una be small small children as him claim.

wen everyone was telling u to read ur books u refused now u see! I blame wizkid, Davido and the likes of them that have inspired and influenced u to this ur ignorant and nonchalant lifestyle
I believe u want to be like patapaa one day right?

now back to base, the system can only throw a lean code wen addition of both ltft and stft exceeds +25.
Toyota fine tunes theirs to +20
the excess of +10 ltft u see there is a result of the age of the engine, the pcm has learnt to compensate for all the wear and tear by adjusting the stft and ltft according for optimal performance.

mumuni alao did u also see that it didn't throw a cel?

A dirty or faulty MAF sensor can also cause positive fuel trim numbers because it “under-reports” airflow, driving the base air/fuel calculation lean.
On engines that use a manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor to determine airflow, a vacuum leak does not affect fuel trim because the extra air (pressure) in the manifold is still measured by the MAP sensor.
Low fuel delivery will cause an increase in LTFT as the PCM tries to compensate for extra oxygen in the exhaust stream. Remember, the PCM doesn’t measure fuel flow; it only knows injector pulse width and assumes fuel delivery is correct as commanded. Is equivalence ratio changing, too? If you add propane and see LTFT and equivalence ratio numbers come down, there probably is a fuel delivery problem. If there’s no change, an oxygen sensor may be faulty or shorted to ground. Don’t forget to check this at different speeds and loads, because fuel flow problems often don’t show up at idle.

http://m.autoserviceprofessional.com/article/94982/Fuel-trim-How-it-works-and-how-to-make-it-work-for-you
nigga read, read
ur plan to become patapaa is. not realistic.... go and read ur books
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by oyefelix(m): 11:54pm On Oct 21, 2017
Inception:


Bro,

The acceptable fuel trim tolerance for both long term and short term is +/-20% for this camry.( according to Toyota specifications)
This is according to Toyota factory service manual( you can easily get one on the internet ).

So the trim is still within spec. ( long term I mean).
ZIMDRILL,sultaan,nurey,kachif,honmusa,mayor123,ikenna351 and the rest of gurus ,you are needed here o.
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 11:57pm On Oct 21, 2017
oga mayor and honmusa, I guess this solves our mystic puzzle. I'll still keep learning from u guys cos u r d best there is finally......
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 12:00am On Oct 22, 2017
Inception:


Bro,

The acceptable fuel trim tolerance for both long term and short term is +/-20% for this camry.( according to Toyota specifications)
This is according to Toyota factory service manual( you can easily get one on the internet ).

So the trim is still within spec. ( long term I mean).

leave the mungo park, I got this.

u guys r too big an authority to reply the gadafi, I got this
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by oyefelix(m): 12:06am On Oct 22, 2017
Inception:


Bro,

The acceptable fuel trim tolerance for both long term and short term is +/-20% for this camry.( according to Toyota specifications)
This is according to Toyota factory service manual( you can easily get one on the internet ).

So the trim is still within spec. ( long term I mean).
Abeg for where you find this +/-20% Toyota specification .
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 12:11am On Oct 22, 2017
oyefelix:

ZIMDRILL,sultan,nurey,kachif,honmusa,mayor123 and the rest of gurus ,you are needed here o.

munchoko, needed where? u think they will come and dance to the tune of a mumuu?

they all can interprete the figures in the chart.
how far that Kia Sorento u almost finished?
the rav 4nko that u bridged wires and claimed an electrician bridged? hahahahahaha.

pure kazeem spotted.
u think by owning launchx431 that u have arrived?
even with the device u still came to ask how to clear airbag light? that's how u gave away ur anonymousity on who bridged the wires.

come here talking thrash. go and learn a new dance and enter music oh cos this industry is not for u @ all

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Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by obekediamondfuto(m): 12:12am On Oct 22, 2017
oyefelix:
Abeg for where you find this +/-20% Toyota specification .
will u keep qwayet!!!!! have u fixed the RAV4?
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by sultaan(m): 4:22am On Oct 22, 2017
oyefelix:

ZIMDRILL,sultaan,nurey,kachif,honmusa,mayor123,ikenna351 and the rest of gurus ,you are needed here o.

I am not a guru just a normal guy finding his way around car ownership.

Oyinbos have an acronym KISS means keep it simple son

In this case fix the obvious faults first.

If anything will work normal with holes in it oyinbos will put holes in it, every other thing is waste of data
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by GAZZUZZ(m): 4:30am On Oct 22, 2017
Re: Auto Guru, Please Help. by GAZZUZZ(m): 4:36am On Oct 22, 2017
mayor2013:
Where are the pictures or videos. I need this to be done in 2 ways. One is the default setting i.e with a none leaking intake air hose and also with a leaking air hose. Also let's make sure this is also done while car is ldling and while car is on motion. Am interested in seeing the values from the data stream

You can DIY and report values wink

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