But I hear most Pentecostal call for example the God of pa Adeboye protect us. As if na pa Adeboye get the original God

Touchey:

What of When they start worshipping their pastors?

Anybody who worships his pastor is in error just like those who worship mary. No place in the Bible commands the worship of mere mortals like Mary and all other men of God

Ubenedictus:
a culture is a way of life, I expect every Christian to make his faith his culture...

I am surprised you are against that.



are you sure it negates the scripture and Christ or just your interpretation of it?

have you ever thought it through, that the way Catholics worship today is the same way Christians have worshipped for 2000 years and that your own Protestant faith was invented recently and the inventors will consider much of your belief to be heresy.

Culture is one thing and religion is another. Both have been fused at some point but then it does not work that way with the Christian faith.

The Catholic church as they are called today got a handful of its practices from Pagan Romans who thought to fuse Christianity with their practice and adopt the fusion rather than lose out on their belief.

The protestant faith is quite diversified. However, most of them still points to the Scriptures even though their teachings are perverted. Like I had mentioned, the worship of Mary, praying to dead saints, the teachings and beliefs of purgatory, man being given the mandate to listen to the sins of another and in turn cancel or rule it out in forgiveness, the stark idolatry, among others were never part of the teachings of Christ.

The Catholic church is nowhere close when you mention Christ.

HungerBAD:
The Catholic right?

I am a Christian, and attend a Pentecostal Church. Churches, just like Christianity, is open to individual definition on how they see it and it has no one clear definition. so your question on why people consider the Catholic something else, will get you a lot of different answers, even if majority will be shrouded in ambiguity.

The Catholic Church did not start getting heat today from people. It started from the time the Church deviated from the Bible, and became a POLITICAL PARTY in the 14th and 15th Century.

The Catholic Church became too powerful.

There was a time in Europe, the Catholic Church had their hands in the choosing of Monarchs, and was heavily into financial racketeering. And it is on record that most Pope from that Era were Closet/Open Gays, who liked little boys, and that problem still persists with the amount the Catholic Church around the World keep paying money yearly to little boys molested by Catholic Priests.

And that is why Martin Luther lead the revolt, that nearly saw the collapse of the Catholic. God bless him.

As an individual, my problem with the Catholic has to do with the way they worship, as it is almost idolatry. Why can't i as a Christian pray to God directly?why do i need one statue, picture or something to intercede for me?why do i need to be calling the name of this Saint or that Saint to intercede on my behalf?

Why do i need to confess my sins in a Booth to another man(Reverend Father) when i can talk to God directly?is the Reverend Father now a gate keeper to God or Heaven?

But all these pale in comparison to one SIN i will never forgive the Catholic for. And that SIN is to make ABLE MEN with WORKING PRIVATE PARTS not be able to MAKE LOVE, or have babies just because they want to be Catholic Priests. Who made that DAMN LAW? God put a D--K on a man's body for a reason, but the Catholic, who in some way are claiming GOD are forcing MEN not to use it, because they want to serve God.

God, when he created MAN in the Garden of EDEN noticed after some days he had KONJI. And so he created EVE to be his helper,both in that Department(KONJI) and other Departments. So why is the Catholic Church reversing God's law?

Luther revolt was against the paying for absolution.
D church was corrupt as u ve said but Luther started well about his criticism but as most men, he became drunk with power & started questioning everything & fueled persecution of Jews.

B4 u sing Luther's praise. Research abt him.

Catholics worship Mary which is not part of the mode of worship in the Bible.

asuustrike2009:

These are reasons why I think Catholic are idolaters
an Idolater is a devoted admirer of idols but what does the Bible say about images and idols?

1. Exodus 20:4-5
“Thou shalt not MAKE unto thee ANY graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not BOW DOWN thyself to them Nor SERVE them.”

Do Catholics MAKE graven images? Yes.
Do Catholics KNEEL down to statues of Mary or Jesus? Yes.
Do Catholics SERVE Mary? Yes, as in “Legion of Mary.”
Do Catholics BOW DOWN and kiss the foot of the pagan god Jupiter which was renamed St Peter? Yes.

2. Leviticus 26:1
“You shall make you NO IDOLS nor GRAVEN IMAGE. Neither rear you up a STANDING IMAGE. Neither shall ye set up any IMAGE OF STONE in your land to bow down unto it.”

Do Catholics rear up STANDING IMAGES? Yes.
Do Catholics set up any IMAGE OF STONE? Yes.

3. Deuteronomy 4:16
“Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and MAKE you a GRAVEN IMAGE, the similitude of ANY FIGURE, the likeness of MALE or FEMALE.”

Do Catholics make graven images of MALE or FEMALE? Yes. Mary is a female. Jesus and the apostles are males.

4. Deuteronomy 16:22
“Neither shalt thou SET thee UP ANY IMAGE: which the Lord thy God HATES.”

Do Catholics SET UP ANY IMAGES? Yes.
Does God HATE IMAGES? Yes.

5. 1 Thessalonians 1:9
“How ye turned to God FROM IDOLS to serve the living and true God.”

Did the early Christians turn FROM IDOLS? Yes.

6. Deuteronomy 27:15
“CURSED be the man that MAKES ANY GRAVEN or MOLTEN IMAGE, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place.”

Does God put a curse on any person that makes any image? Yes.
Why does God call an image an ABOMINATION? Because He hates it.

7. The early Christians had NO IMAGES
Early Christian writers such as Irenaeus, Clement, Cyprian, Athanasius and Jerome wrote strongly AGAINST images, statues and any manner of prayer or veneration regarding them. The Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D. voted unanimously to remove all images from the Churches.

8. The Catholic Church removes the second Commandment against MAKING graven images from the list of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:1-17. This presents them with the problem of only having 9 Commandments. They resolve this problem by splitting Commandment number 10 into 9 and 10. That is: 9. You shall not covet your neighbour's wife. 10. You shall not covet your neighbour's goods. The following is seen in the book “A brief summary of the Ten Commandments” by the Daughters of St. Paul, p.12, 13:

WHAT ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD?
The Commandments of God are these ten:
“I am the Lord your God:
1. You shall not have strange Gods before me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
9. You shall not covet your neighbour's wife.
10. You shall not covet your neighbour's goods.” Exodus 20:1-17

The number Two Commandment should be “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.” Exodus 20:4. Check your Catechism to see if they have left it out.
9. Every Catholic institution has images of Mary, Jesus and male and female figures. An example of this are two statues at the French Papal Palace of Avignon, one of Jesus about 20 metres above ground level, and the other is an enormous statue of Mary, much larger, grander and higher up than that of Jesus. This gives the greater honour to Mary than Jesus. It also breaks the second Commandment forbidding making images of things in heaven.

Who do we believe, the Word of God or the Catholic Church? “We ought to obey God, rather than men.” Acts 5:29

every single christian on the surface of the earth is guilty of these. they all worship the image of an european man, carry it all about as necklace, hang it on their walls and cars etc etc. they are AAAAAAALLLLLL idol worshipers and human worshipers,.

Neminc:


She is dead and buried. She can't pray for you

You don't show any awareness of the scriptures at all. First Jesus talking to the Saducees made them realise that God calling himself God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob when he appeared to Moses at the burning bush implies those three are living as God is a God of the living and not that of the deads. If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are living, how much more the mother of God? You are telling me she is dead?

Secondly Jesus gave a story of a certain rich man and Lazarus (Note this is a story with name mentioned and not a parable). In that story he made allusion that the rich man remembered his kindred and begged Abraham to send Lazarus to go and warn them (Note that there was conversation between Abraham and Lazarus in which the rich man showed awareness of his yet to die brothers.) If Jesus gave this story that a certain dead rich man showed awareness in the grave, do you now know more than Christ himself?
Ignorance you people often display reeks to heaven.

Ubenedictus:


have you ever been a Catholic Church and attend mass, their own worship? it isn't good to criticise people from a position of ignorance.

if you were ever in a mass you would know Catholic always pray through Christ our Lord or in Jesus name

I hear this every day. For the record, Christians are not expected to pray THROUGH Christ but in His Name. It is a mark of authority which we enforce in prayers.

I have been in many to the point that I have come to know that the 'mother of god' is to pray for those who claim they worship God.

The bible in no chapter or verse tells us to pray through Mary, and we re to confess our sins to God not a Rev in a booth who probably as itz most cases today, a homo or a paedophile......imagine u a sinner confessing to a priest who is a paedophile though u myt not know tho..... Buh Common sense, plz.

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thorpido:
There's no scriptural background in the bible that says Mary can answer or make supplications in prayer.The Bible made it clear you pray to God in the Name of Jesus.
There's nothing like mother of God.God has no mother. No scripture in the bible backs that up.Mary was the mother of Jesus the man while He was on the earth.

ENOUGH WITH THIS CRAPS.
WHO DO ALL YOU BIBLE BELIEVING SCRIBES THINK COMPOSED COMPILED AND PRESERVED THE BOOK YOU ARE ALL MAKING NOISE ABOUT.

omojeesu:
Any individual or group claiming to be 'Christian' but not according to the New Testament is fake whether they call themselves Catholic, Evangelical, Pentecostal, Syncretic, etc

when you call the compilers of the new testament fake what will you say about the books they put in your hands?

asuustrike2009:

These are reasons why I think Catholic are idolaters
an Idolater is a devoted admirer of idols but what does the Bible say about images and idols?

1. Exodus 20:4-5
“Thou shalt not MAKE unto thee ANY graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not BOW DOWN thyself to them Nor SERVE them.”

Do Catholics MAKE graven images? Yes.
Do Catholics KNEEL down to statues of Mary or Jesus? Yes.
Do Catholics SERVE Mary? Yes, as in “Legion of Mary.”
Do Catholics BOW DOWN and kiss the foot of the pagan god Jupiter which was renamed St Peter? Yes.

2. Leviticus 26:1
“You shall make you NO IDOLS nor GRAVEN IMAGE. Neither rear you up a STANDING IMAGE. Neither shall ye set up any IMAGE OF STONE in your land to bow down unto it.”

Do Catholics rear up STANDING IMAGES? Yes.
Do Catholics set up any IMAGE OF STONE? Yes.

3. Deuteronomy 4:16
“Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and MAKE you a GRAVEN IMAGE, the similitude of ANY FIGURE, the likeness of MALE or FEMALE.”

Do Catholics make graven images of MALE or FEMALE? Yes. Mary is a female. Jesus and the apostles are males.

4. Deuteronomy 16:22
“Neither shalt thou SET thee UP ANY IMAGE: which the Lord thy God HATES.”

Do Catholics SET UP ANY IMAGES? Yes.
Does God HATE IMAGES? Yes.

5. 1 Thessalonians 1:9
“How ye turned to God FROM IDOLS to serve the living and true God.”

Did the early Christians turn FROM IDOLS? Yes.

6. Deuteronomy 27:15
“CURSED be the man that MAKES ANY GRAVEN or MOLTEN IMAGE, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place.”

Does God put a curse on any person that makes any image? Yes.
Why does God call an image an ABOMINATION? Because He hates it.

7. The early Christians had NO IMAGES
Early Christian writers such as Irenaeus, Clement, Cyprian, Athanasius and Jerome wrote strongly AGAINST images, statues and any manner of prayer or veneration regarding them. The Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D. voted unanimously to remove all images from the Churches.

8. The Catholic Church removes the second Commandment against MAKING graven images from the list of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20:1-17. This presents them with the problem of only having 9 Commandments. They resolve this problem by splitting Commandment number 10 into 9 and 10. That is: 9. You shall not covet your neighbour's wife. 10. You shall not covet your neighbour's goods. The following is seen in the book “A brief summary of the Ten Commandments” by the Daughters of St. Paul, p.12, 13:

WHAT ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD?
The Commandments of God are these ten:
“I am the Lord your God:
1. You shall not have strange Gods before me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
9. You shall not covet your neighbour's wife.
10. You shall not covet your neighbour's goods.” Exodus 20:1-17

The number Two Commandment should be “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.” Exodus 20:4. Check your Catechism to see if they have left it out.
9. Every Catholic institution has images of Mary, Jesus and male and female figures. An example of this are two statues at the French Papal Palace of Avignon, one of Jesus about 20 metres above ground level, and the other is an enormous statue of Mary, much larger, grander and higher up than that of Jesus. This gives the greater honour to Mary than Jesus. It also breaks the second Commandment forbidding making images of things in heaven.

Who do we believe, the Word of God or the Catholic Church? “We ought to obey God, rather than men.” Acts 5:29

How do you reconcile that the same God that commanded that no image should be made ordered Moses to make a bronze image of a serpent for the Israelites to look upon when bitten by fiery snakes sent to punish them in the desert.
Are also aware that the ark of covenant also has an image of an angel? How do you reconcile that these were ordered by the same God that gave the commandments?

people are happy criticizing the Catholic church and her doctrine, and some in the know praise Martin Luther for his unimaginable bravery to protest against the doctrines that were not founded in Christ. But when anyone criticizes a "man of God" for obviously twisting the bible, the next thing they would quote is " touch not my anointed ".may God help us.

Pentecostal protesting against the lord instituted church from time imemorial ! Make una kwantinue ! On the last day we see who dey heaven .

This really shouldn't be an issue because on the last day Catholics will not be on one side and Pentecostals the other side instead everyone will answer for his or herself. So Catholics live the life God wants you to live, Pentecostals live a holy life too. God bless you all.

Opakan2:
But Catholics are not christians na..

Or why do they pray through Virgin Mary (no longer a virgin after birth of Christ). The scriptures said she had others kids.

Why do they bow to graven images of christ, Mary and co.. Has anyone seen Mary or Christ before? NO

In short why do they deviate from everything Christ taught while on Earth. The whole order there looks like a cult (no offence)

Christianity itself is a cult

it seems you don't know the meaning of cult

Penticoster are copying catholic in their ways of worship, catholics came first b4 Penticosters. So save dis story 4 reverend Father's and Penticoster pastors

LetterM has many sides. it depends on where u want 2 see it from! Religion(catholic o, protestants- wonder what they are even protesting), pentencostal- winners, redeem, Assemblies of God, christ embassy, deeper life , ALL BUT 1 GOD, ALL BUT 1 HEAVEN, note i am talking 4rm experience i used 2 to Christ Embassy! Catholic church is very true and REAL....Same eucharist, same Jesus christ,the Hail mary{mother mary received the holyghost like every apostle after the son's ascension)....Same creed( i believe in one God ). Lets leave religion alone. If ever anything, the greed/lust for materialism n money is fairer in CATHOLIC.

UAE123:
It beat my imaginations to see Pentecostal Churches saying that the members of the Catholic Church worship Mary when the word of the Holy Rosary are clearly stated in the bible & most of these Pentecostal members criticizing the Catholic about these days are evening worshipping their Pastors & honoring these Pastors more than their husbands. Some presently even wear the statues of their Pastors on their neck 24 hours a day believing it will always protect them.

it is one thing to raise an argument, it is another to back it up with the Bible. While I agree with you that there is a thin line between respecting or loving your pastor and worshipping him, I will like you to show me where in the bible it is said that Mary should pray for all sinners.

Penticoster are copying catholic in their ways of worship, catholics came first b4 Penticosters. So save dis story 4 reverend Father's and Pentecostals pastors

All are hypocrite that's all











Only God himself can truly say'this is mine'



The hypocritical Christiandom is in utter confusion

giles14:
ENOUGH WITH THIS CRAPS.
WHO DO ALL YOU BIBLE BELIEVING SCRIBES THINK COMPOSED COMPILED AND PRESERVED THE BOOK YOU ARE ALL MAKING NOISE ABOUT.

CATHOLICS,now i am talking 4rm real-time experience. They understand Holiness n piety more than these "money seeking New generation churches"

tete7000:



How do you reconcile that the same God that commanded that no image should be made ordered Moses to make a bronze image of a serpent for the Israelites to look upon when bitten by fiery snakes sent to punish them in the desert.
Are also aware that the ark of covenant also has an image of an angel? How do you reconcile that these were ordered by the same God that gave the commandments?

he can't

he has interpreted the bible half and half and made some part contradict others. he has failed to placed precept on precept

giles14:
ENOUGH WITH THIS CRAPS.
WHO DO ALL YOU BIBLE BELIEVING SCRIBES THINK COMPOSED COMPILED AND PRESERVED THE BOOK YOU ARE ALL MAKING NOISE ABOUT.

as in. That is the funniest thing here

There was a similar argument of this nature some years ago on NL and i remember one atheist saying to Protestants that they are quoting a Bible that was compiled by the Catholic church, translated by this same church and endorsed by them.

So, it is protestants that will know the Bible more than the people that gave it to them, they don't even realise the folly of it all

For all you know, the entire Bible is a grand scam and you have been following the wrong path all your life

tete7000:



You don't show any awareness of the scriptures at all. First Jesus talking to the Saducees made them realise that God calling himself God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob when he appeared to Moses at the burning bush implies those three are living as God is a God of the living and not that of the deads. If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are living, how much more the mother of God? You are telling me she is dead?

Secondly Jesus gave a story of a certain rich man and Lazarus (Note this is a story with name mentioned and not a parable). In that story he made allusion that the rich man remembered his kindred and begged Abraham to send Lazarus to go and warn them (Note that there was conversation between Abraham and Lazarus in which the rich man showed awareness of his yet to die brothers.) If Jesus gave this story that a certain dead rich man showed awareness in the grave, do you now know more than Christ himself?
Ignorance you people often display reeks to heaven.

When I say dead, I mean she is dead to this world. We all know that nobody truly dies, everybody lives on after death but they are dead to this world and have no influence on the things that are happening in this world. Mary is dead to this world and has no influence whatsoever in the affairs of this world again so asking her to pray for you is just a waste of time

HungerBAD:
The Catholic right?

I am a Christian, and attend a Pentecostal Church. Churches, just like Christianity, is open to individual definition on how they see it and it has no one clear definition. so your question on why people consider the Catholic something else, will get you a lot of different answers, even if majority will be shrouded in ambiguity.

The Catholic Church did not start getting heat today from people. It started from the time the Church deviated from the Bible, and became a POLITICAL PARTY in the 14th and 15th Century.

The Catholic Church became too powerful.

There was a time in Europe, the Catholic Church had their hands in the choosing of Monarchs, and was heavily into financial racketeering. And it is on record that most Pope from that Era were Closet/Open Gays, who liked little boys, and that problem still persists with the amount the Catholic Church around the World keep paying money yearly to little boys molested by Catholic Priests.

And that is why Martin Luther lead the revolt, that nearly saw the collapse of the Catholic. God bless him.

As an individual, my problem with the Catholic has to do with the way they worship, as it is almost idolatry. Why can't i as a Christian pray to God directly?why do i need one statue, picture or something to intercede for me?why do i need to be calling the name of this Saint or that Saint to intercede on my behalf?

Why do i need to confess my sins in a Booth to another man(Reverend Father) when i can talk to God directly?is the Reverend Father now a gate keeper to God or Heaven?

But all these pale in comparison to one SIN i will never forgive the Catholic for. And that SIN is to make ABLE MEN with WORKING PRIVATE PARTS not be able to MAKE LOVE, or have babies just because they want to be Catholic Priests. Who made that DAMN LAW? God put a D--K on a man's body for a reason, but the Catholic, who in some way are claiming GOD are forcing MEN not to use it, because they want to serve God.

God, when he created MAN in the Garden of EDEN noticed after some days he had KONJI. And so he created EVE to be his helper,both in that Department(KONJI) and other Departments. So why is the Catholic Church reversing God's law?

God bless u. I was a catholic b4. Until i read what d bible said about baptism idolatory and confession of sins

Ubenedictus:
Christianity itself is a cult

it seems you don't know the meaning of cult

What is the meaning? kindly tell us.

FYI you can't just say christianity is a cult. Well with the way things are now where just about any nuisance can open a church and claim. pastor or G.O or what have you, performing stage managed "miracles" to fool the gullible sheepies, you might be right.

A cult is birthed when you start having symbols, flags, idols etc. Most especially hierarchy like number 1, 2, 3 etc.

The true religion has been lost over the years with the help of satan's manipulations.

This is the book you need to read to understand the Catholic Church (even auto correct knows it's a noun �): David Yallop's In God's Name (1984). Then read Daniel 7, yeah the bible. Then research the throne the pope seats on. The bible describes the pope's throne in great detail, meticulously if you get me. Catholics are playing with fire, about a billion souls for the devil.

Neminc:


When I say dead, I mean she is dead to this world. We all know that nobody truly dies, everybody lives on after death but they are dead to this world and have no influence on the things that are happening in this world. Mary is dead to this world and has no influence whatsoever in the affairs of this world again so asking her to pray for you is just a waste of time

But the mentioned rich man too should be dead to the world but seemed to remember and wanted to even interfere by asking for favour for his brothers.

Catholic, Pentecostal or what have you? the fact is that the vast majority of churches are temples to Satan. and be not deceived about the way any of them try to package themselves, because the Bible made us know, that the angels of darkness will appear like the angels of light that their are wolves in sheep clothing. it takes discernment and accurate knowledge of the Bible to be able to differentiate between the wheat and the weed.
however, thanks be to God for one one way we can identify true worshipers, and its by there fruits. parts of these fruits is as follow.
1)any church that doesn't actively make 'all' their members participate in evangelism isn't approved.
2) any church that tries to explain God as one distant and confusing Trinity is blasphemous and obviously supported by demons.
3) any Church that doesn't make God look real by not showing and using his name doesn't obviously know God.

I don't know why Christians decided to bring up issues among themselves. The same issue cannot see a day light with other religions.

It looks like most people have issues with catholic?

Have you ask your pastor which church he/she attend when he was young or is great grandfather??

When someone die in the family, people tend to pray for him/her to make heaven, some people even cry on grave yard just to seek help from their loves on that is dead. When do Egyptian carried the remains of Joseph from Egypt

So praying through a mother of Jesus is a crime
But most of you seek help from your mother so that he can convince you father to agree to your proposal?? It logical.