akaahs:


All generation ll call her blessed, go read ur bible itk

Hahahahaha..
U who read the bible yet can't point me to a direction to educate me..

Certainly the mother of our savior is blessed but the bible never instructed us to come to the Most High through her or make supplications in her name, neither did it say we make a craven image of her nd bow..

joshnes:
Brother, you know very well you guys just don't pray in the premises of those images, you guys PRAY TO them. That is where the issue is. As for symbols, they were used because the old testament is only but a shadow of things that were to come. Which actually came when Jesus died and resurrected. God and His law is now in my heart, I don't need any symbol to gain access to God, neither do you (Jer 31:31-34 Heb 8:5-13 Pls Read). God wants to talk with you, and the only thing you need to talk back to Him is the name of Jesus. No symbol, no stature, no image, just Jesus.

Quite sadly you can't know about Catholicism than me. I am not sure you have ever entered a Catholic Church before. I doubt you ever read catechism of the Catholic Church before, talkless of encyclicals or other church teachings. So I speak about what I know while you argue about what you were told. I have digested a lot of church document and I am a catechist of the church, so you are not in a position to teach me about my faith. Curiously, I have entered many of the contemporary churches, Redeem, mfm, deeper life, Jehovah witnesses, and I have not found any closer to the truth I found in Catholic Church elsewhere. So maybe you need to drop this argument. Good night.

All I could see on this thread is PROTESTANT doing what they know how to do best, PROTESTING.

Simonchester:
Point of correction,

Catholics do not worship Mary.

wetin be dis?

femi4:
Go back to the Bible toddler and check how churches are being planted

How the churches are planted by men and not God you mean?

HungerBAD:


Semiramis?did not know that.

You need to do a research on Semiramis, Queen of Heaven.

Check out the link below for more.

http://truerichesacademy.com/who-is-semiramis/

The passion of Christ is just a reminder of how Jesus Christ died for us the sufferings and temptations.

joshnes:
he fell before the ark obviously out of frustration, the bible never said he worshipped it, or prayed to it. To answer you, he in no way worshipped the ark.

He didn't fall bfre d ark....he bowed down bfre it....so wht would u say about tht

joshnes:
the ark is NOT an object of worship. God NEVER asked the Isrealites to worship the ark. NEVER. The ark of the covenant, like the brazen serpent was symbolic. Representing the Holy Spirit filled born again child of God in the new testament era.

If you realize this, go and think about it carefully again. Convince yourself that Catholics are doing it differently.

freshboi88:


Does kneeling down bfre an image or bowing down equate to worshipping tht image??

Worship is NOT only a thing of physical obesiance, in fact it is more a thing of the heart than a physical exercise. Even among men, how many people "dobale" to other men but in their heart disdain them. Matt 15:8 "THIS PEOPLE DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH AND HONOURETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME". So to answer you kneeling or bowing down may not necessarily mean worship but you will be a hypocrite to bow down to what you don't worship.

joshnes:
no tackle me oh, I no get power. I did not write the bible. Let's look at Abraham, God said go and sacrifce your son and the same God told him to stop, what will you say about that? Lemme tell you what I will say - get a bible and read Isaiah 55:8-9. You will see God is God, you cannot question Him. Another thing the old testament is full of symbols. The snake was a symbol, not an object of worship. God NEVER asked them to worship the snake.

So you agree that symbols were used n d old testament....and dese symbols were sacred...do u agree

UAE123:
It beat my imaginations to see Pentecostal Churches saying that the members of the Catholic Church worship Mary when the word of the Holy Rosary are clearly stated in the bible & most of these Pentecostal members criticizing the Catholic about these days are evening worshipping their Pastors & honoring these Pastors more than their husbands. Some presently even wear the statues of their Pastors on their neck 24 hours a day believing it will always protect them.

Wow there are a lot of Catholics on nairaland

Proffdada:
answer me 1st

I can only further if I know what m up against....if u r a jw, I now know how to treat ur matter....so do u believe Jesus is God not god??

DeYoungJoe:

Do u know D different b/w worship and honor?

native doctors too honor their gods like this

GGirll:

We do not fight against flesh n blood please read Ephisians 6:19-18 besides God does not need your legion of Mary to fight his battle for he has said vengeance is mine....he's a consuming fire n need no man to fight for him read ex 4-ex20

Then why are you casting and binding in your church? Why not go to bed because he's a consuming fire?

Nna mehn, Please go back and read my submission that you quoted carefully.

ireneidiva:

So Jw, Deeper Life, etc don't have doctrines? Do you know the meaning of 'doctrine'?

U wld know if what they portray as doctrine is truly doctrine when the founder of the church dies and another takes over, that's if they survive the aftermath of the death of the founder. Imagine a winners chapel without Oyedepo or salvation ministries without Ibiyomie or Christ embassy without pastor Chris, OPM without pastor Chibuzor etc These pastors above are seen as the identity of their various churches, their standard bearer. When either of them is no more, and another takes over (after the fight and struggle and backbiting to be the successor) u wld see the new successor come up with new ideologies which wld be aimed at fully projecting him or her as the 'new icon' of the church. The bottom line is this, what u call doctrines are simply the ideologies of the man in charge. As for JW i don't even want to go there, just take a time out and read their history; they've been having different teachings with every new leader that assumes the helm of their affairs.

joshnes:
Worship is NOT only a thing of physical obesiance, in fact it is more a thing of the heart than a physical exercise. Even among men, how many people "dobale" to other men but in their heart disdain them. Matt 15:8 "THIS PEOPLE DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH AND HONOURETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME". So to answer you kneeling or bowing down may not necessarily mean worship but you will be a hypocrite to bow down to what you don't worship.

Oga u cannot be in two places at d same time.....u just said bowing down to an image as Joshua did doesn't equate to worship, u went further to say u will be a hypocrite to bow down to what u dnt worship....u have to be in one place.....u can't speak from two sides of the mouth at d same time...so wen he bowed down bfre the ark, if he wasn't worshipping then what was he doing??

obayaya:


Then why are you casting and binding in your church? Why not go to bed because he's a consuming fire?

Nna mehn, Please go back and read my submission that you quoted carefully.

bros stop disturbing yourself, the only thing dey know na wetin their pastor tell them.

DeYoungJoe:

Do u know D different b/w worship and honor?

Explain the meaning of this phrase"holy Mary pray for you sinners before d hour of your deaths " doesn't it mean Pray for you sinners? Just explain that al least you are educated

freshboi88:


I can only further if I know what m up against....if u r a jw, I now know how to treat ur matter....so do u believe Jesus is God not god??

Jesus Christ is the Messiah ,the mediator between God and man

Proffdada:
Jesus Christ is the Messiah ,the mediator between God and man

Do u believe he is God.....oga yes or no??.....

obayaya:


I want to talk about just this part of your long write up. I was a legionnaire during my undergraduate years. Now here's the idea behind the Legion of Mary.

Historical, the Legion refers to an army. A roman army. So basically the legion of mary is an army that fight beneath the standard of Mary.

and here's the rationale.

In Genesis 3:15, the Bible said "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

The passage above refers to "the woman". This woman is Mary and her seed is Jesus.

This passage above said the enemity is between the devil and the woman. Mary is the Devil's enemy - The first and the last. The Legion of Mary is an army devoted to fighting Mary's enemy - the devil through prayers, good works and kindness.

I hope you understand now

The rational behind it isn't bad but
Why Mary? Why didn't you give the glory to Jesus instead? Yes Mary brought Jesus to the world why make reverence to her. Why is most things all about Mary in that church? Even in your prayers. During legion meetings her name is mentioned "Hail Mary"

freshboi88:


He didn't fall bfre d ark....he bowed down bfre it....so wht would u say about tht

Joshua 7:6 "AND JOSHUA RENT HIS CLOTHES AND FELL TO HIS FACE BEFORE THE ARK OF THE LORD......" That is the scripture sir as you can see in capital letters it says fell.

joshnes:
that was a specific instruction from God for a specific situation, they were asked to look at it, not pray to or worship it. I could go deeper in the symbolism of that serpent but I'd rather not. Besides do you know that the snake was one of the idols the children of Israel later worshipped and King Hezekiah had to destroy it totally in order to return the people back to God? (2kings 18:4). God does not tolerate idol worship at all. No part of the bible says otherwise.

so your God is fond of contradicting himself?
heresy

CATHOLIC PRIESTS DO NOT MARRY BECAUSE OF MATTHEW 19:11, FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD
CATHOLICS DO NOT WORSHIP MARY, RATHER WE HONOUR HER BECAUSE GOD FIRST HONOURED HER LUKE 1:26 - 30
WE DO NOT WORSHIP IMAGES, IF YOU CLAIM THAT WE DO, THEN WAS GOD CONTRADICTING HIMSELF WE HE ASKED MOSES TO MOLD A SNAKE AND HANG IT UP SUCH THAT WHOEVER IS BITTEN BY THE SNAKE LOOK UP AT AND BE HEALED. WAS DAVID WHO DANCED NAKED BEFORE THE ARK OF COVENANT WORSHIPING THE BOX OR REVERENCING THE CONTENT. OUR DOGMAS HAVE BIBLE REFERENCES.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KEEP CHANGING CHURCHES, IT NOT BIBLICAL. THE CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST - EPH. 1:22-23. CHANGING CHURCH MEANS CHANGING POSITIONS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. 1 JOHN 2:19 WARNS US AGAINST SUCH ACT. STAY AT WHERE YOU WERE BAPTISED (ACCEPTED INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST), UNLESS YOU ARE A SINGLE LADY, WHO WILL WAIT TO BE MARRIED INTO ONE (READ GENESIS 24 - THE MARRIAGE OF REBECCA).

Neminc:


The Jews wrote the Torah. The prophets and the law. They wrote about the coming Messiah. The promise of the Messiah was made to the Jews but guess what? When the Messiah came, they didn't know him and didn't believe him. So the fact that Catholics may have collated and translated the earliest bibles does not give them superior knowledge of the Bible. In fact, it adds to the irony that the people who collated and translated the Bible are ignorant of the things written therein

what more ironic than the fact that you use a new testament canon set by those you consider pagans

Sanchez01:

Culture is one thing and religion is another. Both have been fused at some point but then it does not work that way with the Christian faith.

The Catholic church as they are called today got a handful of its practices from Pagan Romans who thought to fuse Christianity with their practice and adopt the fusion rather than lose out on their belief.

The protestant faith is quite diversified. However, most of them still points to the Scriptures even though their teachings are perverted. Like I had mentioned, the worship of Mary, praying to dead saints, the teachings and beliefs of purgatory, man being given the mandate to listen to the sins of another and in turn cancel or rule it out in forgiveness, the stark idolatry, among others were never part of the teachings of Christ.

The Catholic church is nowhere close when you mention Christ.

religion itself if it is true must be a culture, a religion must be a way of life if not it isn't worth it.

the Catholic Church didn't get its practices from paganism, instead from the early church and the Jews.

the Protestant churches aren't diversified, they are scattered, fractured, contradictory, divisive and confused. they are the antithesis of Jesus prayers in John 17 a disgrace to christiandom and Christian history.

you have decided in your own mind that Catholic worship Mary and commit idolatry... they have always disagreed... if anything you are the one accusing people falsely... are you among the Christians ignorant of the fact that Jesus gave his apostles power to forgive sins saying"whosoever you forgive is forgiven? or are you the only one aware that this power has been exercised in the church for 2000 years?

maybe you are the one ignorant of what constitute genuine Christian practices.

hermosa7:


You need to do a research on Semiramis, Queen of Heaven.

Check out the link below for more.

http://truerichesacademy.com/who-is-semiramis/

She is mentioned as the queen of heaven in Jeremiah 44:17-25. She is very possibly the same entity, that was worshiped as Ashtarte, and Ishtar (modern day Easter)

joshnes:
Joshua 7:6 "AND JOSHUA RENT HIS CLOTHES AND FELL TO HIS FACE BEFORE THE ARK OF THE LORD......" That is the scripture sir as you can see in capital letters it says fell.

Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.
Anoda translation says


Joshua and the elders of Israel tore their clothing in dismay, threw dust on their heads, and bowed face down to the ground before the Ark of the LORD until evening.

So fell face down and bow doesn't mean same thing to u??

I can see that if the bible doesn't use d exact same words u guys have a problem accepting??

freshboi88:


Do u believe he is God.....oga yes or no??.....

He is the Son of God not God

asuustrike2009:

The rational behind it isn't bad but
Why Mary? Why didn't you give the glory to Jesus instead? Yes Mary brought Jesus to the world why make reverence to her. Why is most things all about Mary in that church? Even in your prayers. During legion meetings her name is mentioned "Hail Mary"

Even worshipping Jesus sound so absurd that I prefer being a deist instead. Jesus and Mary what's the difference? One is the son of God while the other is the mother of God. Why does it irks the protestants so much that Catholics reverence both. ?......hypocrites.

freshboi88:


So you agree that symbols were used n d old testament....and dese symbols were sacred...do u agree

I agree with you, but that is the OLD covenant, I don't deal with that when the new is available. Under the NEW TESTAMENT symbols are no longer needed (Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:5-13). All we need NOW is the name of Jesus (John 15:16). You should try it.