adegeye38:

Catholic church is a sun worshiping cult, that has been involved in a lot of abominable things, including, murders of atogonist, one which is wyclife the first reformer and has been infiltrated by lots of other cults dating back to the era of Constantinople, when the church became a state church

Catholic focuses on religion and rituals, Christianity is not a religion but a way of life

Jesus christ said, i am the truth, the way and the life, no one comes to the father except through me

"as anyone who believes in me had been given power to become sons of God."

And there is no difference between the structure of the Catholic church and the structure of the Temple headed by the self righteous religious bigots Pharisees, who held the children of Isrealites to religious bondage, which was one of the things Christ came to save us from.

The concept of Salvation is lacking

The concept of being born again is lacking

where Jesus Christ said unless any man is born agian he would not see the kingdom of heaven

And once u are born again, old things are passed away and you are reborn of the spirit, and a new life is given, and the things required to live a Godly life while enjoying a personal relationship with God is given

Its the process of being born again that makes u a Christian, not cos u are involved in somes rituals and chantings, and sinning and confessing to a man and sinning and sinning again its all very stupid



The person relationship with God which was one of the things Christ came to establishes is lacking

Go and read the whole of John to learn more about that.

I can go on and on about the lots of occultic figures, symbols, archicture and secret gatherings going on secretly at d vatican.

nothing about the Catholic Church is biblical, only occult of

The Church doctrines, activities, rituals, worship, papacy, figure worshiping, Marry worshiping, saint hood and so on, goes against what Christ stands for and What Christianity stands for.

I can go on and on and on and on

here comes the conspiracy theories

amunkita:


1... Luke 1 vs 28, it was a greeting not a prayer, telling her she ve found favor from God amongst the women of the earth.
2. Luke 1 vs 41-42, this passage confirmed the above, because of a truth, she noticed she was blessed with the messiah nd never a prayer.
3. Luke 1 vs 43, never said she was the mother of God expect u re reading from a catholic bible, this is what it say, "And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me"

4.James 5 vs 16, did not say such, pls don't lie against the bible, this is what it says, "Confess your faults to one another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much"....

Finally sir, go to exodus 20 vs 4, nd tell me that the catholic faith observes same nd don't forget to read Jeremiah 44 to see who u worship by calling queen of heaven.

What is a prayer? From the literally point of view?

Prayer is an address to someone. In court, the lawyer prays the judge to see the law from his perspective.

The Angel Gabriel addressed/prayed/hailed mary and informed her of her role.

She's blessed and all generations shall call her blessed. But you choose not to. Or aren't you part of the generations?

Mother of my Lord? and Elizabeth's Lord isn't God? or the child in Mary's womb - Jesus isn't God? Maybe you don't believe in Trinity.

The prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Do you know any mortal as righteous as Mary. Born without sin? And then you feel asking for her prayers is wrong?

My brother.. In your quest to discredit the Catholic Church you don't mind distorting/misinterpreting or even discrediting some portion of the Bible.


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Beliefs or sentiments are not the same as bible backed scriptures

OBAGADAFFI:


She is mentioned as the queen of heaven in Jeremiah 44:17-25. She is very possibly the same entity, that was worshiped as Ashtarte, and Ishtar (modern day Easter)

Then Jesus is a fake god who was born through the queen of heaven Ashtarte and Ishtar. You all are confused.

Ubenedictus:
religion itself if it is true must be a culture, a religion must be a way of life if not it isn't worth it.

the Catholic Church didn't get its practices from paganism, instead from the early church and the Jews.

the Protestant churches aren't diversified, they are scattered, fractured, contradictory, divisive and confused. they are the antithesis of Jesus prayers in John 17 a disgrace to christiandom and Christian history.

you have decided in your own mind that Catholic worship Mary and commit idolatry... they have always disagreed... if anything you are the one accusing people falsely... are you among the Christians ignorant of the fact that Jesus gave his apostles power to forgive sins saying"whosoever you forgive is forgiven? or are you the only one aware that this power has been exercised in the church for 2000 years?

maybe you are the one ignorant of what constitute genuine Christian practices.

Well, The Roman Catholic Church is a mixture of Peganism and Christianity.

Christmas, Months and days are named after Roman gods.

GGirll:

Please can you also pray through the pictures of your kins or mum? Please the Jesus actor you guys worship has cried out to you Catholic fellows to STop worshipping him as he's just an actor they acted d movie "the passion of christ" so you see your so called Jesus n Mary statues n images were not even d real Mary n Jesus cos when they existed there were no cameras to have captured their images....Please stop worshipping actors n actresses

Can you tell me you've never held your mum's pictures before and uttered a word of prayers while holding onto it?

Proffdada:
JESUS , the disciples and apostles never for once made reference to or give a hint to 'honor' mary. Instead emphasis was laid on the Holy spirit. Please retrace your steps to the truth

that means you missed Luke who records a prophecy from Mary saying. henceforth all generation shall call me blessed... that is the hint

joshnes:
I agree with you, but that is the OLD covenant, I don't deal with that when the new is available. Under the NEW TESTAMENT symbols are no longer needed (Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:5-13). All we need NOW is the name of Jesus (John 15:16). You should try it.

So God changed right....y do u go with tithing... Its is old testament practice.....u seem to have a problem with accepting that falling face to d ground is same as bowing down.....so let's continue with that analysis...

obayaya:


Kissing a statue of Mary...

The same way you kiss the picture of your child or gf or wife or mother when you're far away from them. the Same way you put the pictures of your child, wife, mother in your wallet wallet to remind you of them.

Do you consider yourself to be worshipping your wife, child or mother when you kiss those pictures?

If you do, only then can you say the pope is worshipping Mary because he kissed a statue of her.

according to wikipedia : Worshipis an act of religious devotionusually directed towards a deity. An act of worship may be performed individually, in an informal or formal group, or by a designated leader
according to dictionary.com : Worship | DefineWorship at Dictionary.com
reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. ... formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage

TheArchangel:
Then Jesus is a fake god who was born through the queen of heaven Ashtarte and Ishtar. You all are confused.

Lol, Mary the Mother of Jesus was human and not a god

Proffdada:
He is the Son of God not God

If u dnt believe that Jesus is God then u r not a Christian.....that's another issue for another day

amunkita:
If the catholics re bible believing, they would ve known that making supplication through the "Queen of Heaven" is a prayer to the wife of Baal....
That is idolatry....
Jeremiah 44 vs 17- 26 or read the whole passage.

what do u mean by 'wife of Baal'

joshnes:
You are arguing with yourself. The commandment and the instruction to make the serpent are both in the bible and you don't need a professor to explain them to you. They did not pray to nor worship the serpent. As for your other questions I refer you back to where I said the bible and God does not tolerate idolatry also you can read Romans 1: 21-32.

oh wherever you interpret one scripture and make it contradict another scripture, that means you have misinterpreted it.

now try again without contradiction.

OBAGADAFFI:


Well, The Roman Catholic Church is a mixture of Peganism and Christianity.

Christmas, Months and days are named after Roman gods.

You can never escape the influence of Catholic church. Sue George and Julian that name the calender while you are at it.

Ubenedictus:
weldone with the conspiracy theories

There are passages in the bible you'd read and never understand, unless there is divine guidance from the Holy Spirit. But there are also some passages that are written clearly and do not need divine intervention for comprehension.

You remember Exodus 25, when God instructed the children of Israel to build a place he could dwell, his sanctuary.
Well, the Catholic Church just decided to follow this description when they designed the pope's throne. Is it a coincidence/conspiracy?
Exodus 25:17-19 ...'And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.'

“The LORD reigns; Let the peoples tremble! He dwells between the cherubim; Let the earth be moved!”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭99:1‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
http://bible.com/114/psa.99.1.nkjv
The pope sits on something a little like that too:

“Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
http://bible.com/114/mat.23.9.nkjv
Yet you all call the pope the Holy Father.

The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh." (Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895, pg. 15, published in London by J. S. Phillips)
"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God and the vicar of God."(Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary). You can go check these out, they said this stuff. No be play play.
The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."(Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, Cities Petrus Bertanous).
Wow, am shocked.

Ref: http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/man-of-sin-revealed.html

asuustrike2009:

Did the Israelites worshipped the bronze image of a serpent? No. It's act of worship those images that God hates. The Israelites were asked to look at the serpent not bow down to worship it. The art of covenant had images but were not worshipped.

but they had no problem prostrating before the ark...

Ubenedictus:
that means you missed Luke who records a prophecy from Mary saying. henceforth all generation shall call me blessed... that is the hint

can you give other accounts where this was made by Jesus or God?

OBAGADAFFI:


Lol, Mary the Mother of Jesus was human and not a god

Why are you refering to her as the queen Ashtarte. .?

tete7000:


How the churches are planted by men and not God you mean?

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said: set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them... So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia ... to Cyprus" (Acts 13:2-4). These missionaries (Apostles) as a first church planting team were sent out by the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit used them to "make disciples" and to "plant churches" in different towns (Acts 13:52; 14:22).

Why don't you go into laundry? You can get white cardboards, put your number, place them in strategic places around your school and get ready to work...

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Proffdada:
you can't keep honoring a dead mary ,erect graven images which you kneel before every and expect the Holy Spirit to dwell in you

if the Israelites could erect images and prostrate before it and still have the spirit, I see no reason why not

Simonchester:


what do u mean by 'wife of Baal'

That's how confused this guys are. Then Jesus is a son of baal?

freshboi88:


If u dnt believe that Jesus is God then u r not a Christian.....that's another issue for another day

did Jesus ever said that?

enemyofprogress:
Una no dey shame Mohammed and his followers go come hear dey laff una in arabic. Walahai some Christians no get brain at all

Am already laughing.. Lolsss.I thought Christianity is a perfect religion. Nawaoo,some worship Mary while some worship Jesus.

Proffdada:
did Jesus ever said that?

Create a topic thread for that, then ill school u on that...and mke you see how ignorant u are

asuustrike2009:

The rational behind it isn't bad but
Why Mary? Why didn't you give the glory to Jesus instead? Yes Mary brought Jesus to the world why make reverence to her. Why is most things all about Mary in that church? Even in your prayers. During legion meetings her name is mentioned "Hail Mary"

Most things isn't about her... But the critics chose to magnify that part just to discredit us.

Hail Mary is a prayer with Biblical backing.. basically the Angel and Elizabeth's greetings to Mary.

The Catholic Church is vast with a lot of societies. Legion of Mary, Sacred heart of Jesus, the Charismatic renewal and a whole lot of others. But detractors only choose to talk about the Marian societies.

I remember in 2011, I had a roommate who was an adventist. And you know adventists are the biggest critics to the Catholic Church. He kept bashing until we made a deal. Fridays we both attend the adventists vesper service and Saturday worship and on Sundays we attend the Catholic Church.

We began having robust discussion about the rituals of the mass and the Biblical roots and his opinion changed forever. Take your time.. Visit a Catholic Church, pay attention to her rituals and doctrines, read about the Biblical backings online and maybe.. just maybe, you'll judge the church a little less harshly.

The church made a lot of mistake in her past. But that doesn't make the church as evil as you all try to paint her

PLEASE PRAY FOR THE CHURCH

There are amazing wonders about the Catholic Church that hold me spell bound.

In a world where hate and tribalism abound, in a world where northerners cannot allow Southerners to rule, it is only in the Catholic Church that we see over I billion people united under one head, the Pope. Whether the Pope is from China or from Italy or from Germany or from Poland or from America. We see in the Pope, Christ's blessing on Peter which makes him the rock upon which Christianity is built.

In a world filled with racism, it is only among Catholics that a young AFRICAN will be given the highest level of respect in America, in Europe, in Asia, in every continent of the world just because he is a Catholic priest. No matter the age, no matter the color, no matter the background.

Among all the institutions of the world and empires of the world, it is only the Catholic Church that has lasted for up to 2000 years and is still strong. The same hierachy, the same liturgical formular, the same unity. That we all are Christians today is because of the Catholic Church. They endured series of persecutions, many of their members gave up their lives just to hand the gospel over to us.

Is it the Bible? They preserved the bible from the old ages. During the great wars and Renaissance, Catholic Monks had to recopy the bible with their own hand which took them many years just to preserve the Word of God. They studied Hebrew and Greek languages just to translate the Bible to our various languages. Instead of thanking them, we criticize them that they do not read the Bible.

In a world filled with hatred and envy that today even siblings kill each other, the love between one Catholic priest and another is greater than human understanding can fathom. Even if one is a stranger from China and another from from Africa, once both are priests, they eat together, laugh together and the trust is not broken. The fraternity between Catholic seminarians is much greater than the love between siblings.

They are the only Church that believe in conversion of sinners. Other churches try to be self-righteous, it is only the Catholic church that believe that the Church is meant for saints and sinners. They do not castigate sinners but urge them to repent. The care and patience of a priest at the confessional is Christ-like.

In a world filled with arrogance and pride, Catholic priesrs are all humility and tenderness especially at the confessional yet they are the highest learned people in the world. Why do we castigate these wonderful priests so much? It is through that a little err, but we all are human. Was Judas not also an apostle of Jesus?

Mary? Ofcourse as it should be of a long-lasting institution, they are full of wisdom. They know that the greatest affection is between the mother and the son. And if we are in need, do we not ask our family members and friends to pray for us? They know that Mary is close to Jesus and dear to him and so they take the easiest way to Jesus, through his mother. We all know that we listen to our mothers above every one else except she is a bad mother.

This is the only church that engages in a world wide dialogue with Islam and other denominations to fulfill Christ's prayer "Father, may they all be one." In our world where morality is very low, where husbands batter their wives because they do not give birth to male children, we see young men who sacrifice everything, father, mother, wife, children to serve the lord.

We should all pray for the Catholic Church, they way our world is moving, I pray that God helps to preserve their morality, if not for anything, because most of our children are in Catholic schools.

oyinda1599:
Am already laughing.. Lolsss.I thought Christianity is a perfect religion. Nawaoo,some worship Mary while some worship Jesus.

Nobody worships Mary, they are forcing Mary worship on catholics....to deceive infants and get new members so they can scam them n buy private jets

joshnes:
the ark is NOT an object of worship. God NEVER asked the Isrealites to worship the ark. NEVER. The ark of the covenant, like the brazen serpent was symbolic. Representing the Holy Spirit filled born again child of God in the new testament era.

but they had no problem prostrating before it abi?

Ubenedictus:
if the Israelites could erect images and prostrate before it and still have the spirit, I see no reason why not

that was before Christ. If you continue like that you don't believe in Christ

Proffdada:

according to wikipedia : Worshipis an act of religious devotionusually directed towards a deity. An act of worship may be performed individually, in an informal or formal group, or by a designated leader
according to dictionary.com : Worship | DefineWorship at Dictionary.com
reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. ... formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage

You pay homage to your king, your father.. So you worship them?

Bros.. I'm done with you..

You are not open to knowledge... you are rigid in your thinking and opinion.

Goodnight

asuustrike2009:

There is the difference between having an image of Jesus and bowing to it. It's the bowing down to it that's the bone of contention. Can I have a picture of imaginary Jesus but I can't bow or worship it. So the two concept are totally different

if you had an image of Jesus would you bow in prayer any where around it or you will always go outside your room wherever you bow in prayer?