TheArchangel:
You have the encyclopedia of catholic church...Mr onow it all...when did the prayers of Mary started or just shut it cos you are loosing steam.

dingbang:
I decided to hit the nail right through its head and call out all pentecostals (Followers of Martin Luther) in Nairaland to tell the whole world why they think the Catholic Church is not a Bible Believing Church.

On what basis will a Church be termed "Non bible Believing"?


Let's have your Opinions ..

dingbang:
I decided to hit the nail right through its head and call out all pentecostals (Followers of Martin Luther) in Nairaland to tell the whole world why they think the Catholic Church is not a Bible Believing Church.

On what basis will a Church be termed "Non bible Believing"?


Let's have your Opinions .. As for the Catholic Church, I cannot say that they don't believe in the Bible because I went to Catholic sponsored schools and we used the Bible.My dad & Sister attend the Catholic Church.However, my issue with Catholicism is their doctrines.1.A family friend who is a catholic asked that we help her collect trash after an event.She made it clear that they Catholics believe that good deeds would help you obtain mercy from Heaven.I know that the Bible is clear, we are saved by grace & not by works lest any man should boast. 2.The other issue is that of praying for God to have mercy upon the souls in purgatory , a place supposedly where souls go after death awaiting judgment before being sent to heaven or hell.The Bible is clear that it's appointed for a man to die & after that is judgement.So, am not sure where the purgatory doctrine came from. 3.Bowing down to statues.Everytime they enter a church, they bow before the crucifix saying that they are honoring Jesus. Jesus is risen he is no longer on the cross.Down the street from my place of work, there's a Catholic Church.I see them doing the sign of the cross and bowing whenever they approach a statue of Mary that's outside the church.Yet in the commandments we are told not to bow before graven images.Infact during my primary school days, they made us pray a certain prayer to Mary every afternoon without fail.It went like ...." Hail holy queen, mother of mercy.Hail our life, our sweetness and our hope.To you do we cry........". My life is owned by God and not Mary. Just a few of my observations.

thorpido:
There's no scriptural background in the bible that says Mary can answer or make supplications in prayer.The Bible made it clear you pray to God in the Name of Jesus.
There's nothing like mother of God.God has no mother. No scripture in the bible backs that up.Mary was the mother of Jesus the man while He was on the earth.

irririchris:
Why don't you go into laundry? You can get white cardboards, put your number, place them in strategic places around your school and get ready to work...

TheArchangel:
hmmm, you are losing the arguments, now on a merry go round of this and that.

Proffdada:
there's no point changed. Why did Jesus come to the world if we're going to be honoring statues?

gemale:

Mary interceded at the wedding at Cana, Galilee & Jesus obeyed even though it wasn't His. What I noticed was that even when Jesus stated that it wasn't His time, Mary knew that He would help hence she told the servants to do whatever Jesus told them. She knew who Jesus was & long believed in Him without asking for signs & wonders to convince her. The catholic church doesn't teach that Mary answers prayers; God does. She only intercedes (similar to what pentecostals call standing in the gap). I'm catholic & never have i heard us say "in Mary's name we pray". We pray in Jesus name or "through Jesus Christ our Lord". Finally John 1:1 says "in the beginning was the word & the word was with God & the word was God" verse 14 says "& the word was made flesh (became man) & dwelt among us". The word that was God became man. Who was that man? Jesus Christ. Who was His mother? Mary. The only way you can have issues with that is if you say Jesus isn't God. In the apostles' Creed we recite in every mass, we affirm our belief in Jesus Christ "true God & true man". Take some advice. Learn to be humble in knowledge. You donk know it all. The books of proverbs says to get understanding in all your getting. The problem a lot of pentecostals have is that they read the surface & think that is all. No, in depth study & research is needed most times by numerous individuals. That's why the field of theology exists. Yes the Holy Spirit gives revelations but an ill prepared mind might misinterpret the revelation. Regular mastication & chewing the cud of the word is needed. Grow more chambers in your spiritual stomach instead of just being monogastric.

Proffdada:
please present your evidence for this claim of yours or be branded a voracious and blatant lai mohamned

freshboi88:


But u said making images is not biblical now....I hve showed u were images were made even bowed to......if u r bringing Jesus, u will have to show me were Jesus condemned Solomon for making images Joshua for bowing bfre an image

Proffdada:
he Jesus can condemn simple money exchange in temples then just hailing mary before God is sacrilege

freshboi88:


This is what you think....Christianity isn't about wht u think

Proffdada:
what is christianity if it's not following Christ? Hailing mary?

freshboi88:


Both which u mentioned yes!!!.....but not what u tink...I said show me a place were condemned making images as made by solomon and as reveerneced by Joshua in d new testament

Proffdada:
show me a place where Jesus called mary mother not to mention hail mary then you win

freshboi88:


The Arch angel hailed Mary, this is not about winning or losing but making u open ur mind not to judge others based on ur own interpretation of scripture.... Open ur mind, listen to other pples beliefs. I dnt need to show u place Jesus called Mary mother ....Mary gave birth to Jesus ....that's enough for me

thorpido:
There's no scriptural background in the bible that says Mary can answer or make supplications in prayer.The Bible made it clear you pray to God in the Name of Jesus.
There's nothing like mother of God.God has no mother. No scripture in the bible backs that up.Mary was the mother of Jesus the man while He was on the earth.

Proffdada:
are you a follower of angel Gabriel or Christ? Show me where Jesus call mary mother and i'll accept you're right all along. You see ,it's people like you that made Jesus never to call mary mother

Proffdada:
why doesn't Jesus call mary mother or blessed mother or hail her? Please follow Christ not catholic

freshboi88:


Do I need to call my mother mother, to know she is my mother...this is God. The Angel relayed Gods messages...the greeting was from God not d angel..d angel only did as instructed

kinesis:
Luke 1:41&42 gives reference to Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit and calling Mary blessed among all women. It’s there in the Bible. Either u don’t read or choose to ignore it

Proffdada:
are you following Elizabeth or Jesus?

Proffdada:
are you following Elizabeth or Jesus?

Proffdada:
mary is dead and long gone , catholics are praying to another entity which uses statues and sacraments as conduits to siphon their spiritual essence QED

kinesis:
The problem is u choose to ignore what I just wrote. She was full of the Holy Spirit when those words came out of her. What else are you waiting to hear?

nuggarito:
and how does that affect my prayers being answered. My point is no matter how anyone criticizes the church or my methods of praying or worship, provided it makes you better, its a go for me.

Proffdada:
i'm waiting for just a simple truth. Did Jesus ever hailed mary or called her blessed?

Proffdada:
of course the devil can answer your prayers to gain your soul. Or do you think he was joking when tempted Jesus?

kinesis:
the Bible says ALL GENERATIONS... Jesus didn’t even need to call her blessed for her to be blessed. Since then till now all generations have continued to honor her and the blessing and or grace God bestowed on her cannot be erased by your conviction of things.

Proffdada:
what is not certified by Jesus is null and void in CHRISTIANITY. Maybe in elizabethianity or gabrielity

Proffdada:
what is not certified by Jesus is null and void in CHRISTIANITY. Maybe in elizabethianity or gabrielity

kinesis:
That wasn’t answering Jesus prayers. The devil was simply trying to take advantage of Jesus humanity