dingbang:
boasting about works is termed self righteousness which is a sin

Yes of course.I said my issue with Catholicism is the doctrine where supposedly good works will affect one's judgment before God.

The words 'Bible believing' takes so much importance in Christianity that we often forget it is not the first thing needed to be a Christian. Nowadays, the bible and the pastors/priests that interpret them have become more important than God.

Secondly, the catholic church is not sola scriptura (by scripture alone), she teaches that the sacred scripture work hand in hand with traditions which is also part of the revelation about Jesus passed down from the time of the Apostles.

Hence some of what catholics do is part of tradition because she does not derive the certainty of all revealed truths from the holy scriptures alone.

Can we stop bashing ourselves on the contents of the Bible?

Does it not baffle you all that the bible is open to different interpretations?

It is because it contains within itself many disagreements about particular issues and it should be expected since it was written by [/b]different people[b], translated by [/b]different people[b] and compiled by [/b]different people.[b]

However, the core points, despite contradictions, remain the greatness of YAHWEH, the teachings of Jesus and the goal of saving mankind.

Please note that the catholic church uses the Bible everyday, they do not worship Mary or any idol. The images play no role in their worship, though it works the same way we put pictures in our home and erect statues, to reverence, and honour.

However, some Catholics overdo things, and the church frown at mariolatry and bibliolatry. The catholic church continues to evolve but not as some would want on different issues.

In conclusion, a proper research on Protestant Christianity will reveal that ironically, some protestant churches stay away from the claim of 'bible believing' because some churches have elevated the bible above God.

blackbriar:


but same God asked for the ark of the convenant to be made and for images of palm trees to adorned the temple

Good you've observed that God himself asked them to. But who commanded the Catholics to?

UAE123:
It beat my imaginations to see Pentecostal Churches saying that the members of the Catholic Church worship Mary when the word of the Holy Rosary are clearly stated in the bible & most of these Pentecostal members criticizing the Catholic about these days are evening worshipping their Pastors & honoring these Pastors more than their husbands. Some presently even wear the statues of their Pastors on their neck 24 hours a day believing it will always protect them.

Kindly show me where this is in the Bible: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death." Thank you. Please I want to learn.

femi4:
There were denominations, but the doctrine were the same

For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth.

there were no denominations, the same Church that Paul panted was the same church apollos watered

it seems you have a problem with comprehension

femi4:
Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him

Jesus was baptized in a river, why not say it must be a river too

Beey:
No,there's nothing wrong with show of love.All good deeds are beautiful but they cannot earn one salvation.Eph:8-9.the Bible is clear that "we've been saved by grace through faith & it's the gift of God.Not by works, so that no one can boast." My problem with the Catholic theology is thae belief that the good deeds they do today shall save on the final day because the Bible is clear that we are saved through faith in Jesus alone.

what would you be judged on on the last day?


where does your Bible teach faith ALONE saves?

thorpido:
Read what I posted up there. I gave you scriptures to back up.Abi u need glasses?

The bible says scriptures is nonsense to some people.

I didn't c NY scripture that backed ur crooked interpretation of been mother of Jesus ending wen she died.....show me were d bible said tht

freshboi88:


Jesus was baptized in a river, why not say it must be a river too

Some churches insist it must be a flowing river. I am only amazed that I have not heard anyone insist it must be river jordan. That would be epic.

Chaplain in war zones sometimes don't get water to baptize soldiers about to die!

PaddyX:

But Jesus is God, isn't he. There is no separation of God and man in Jesus because he is fully man and fully God.
Luke 1 vs 43 spells it out clearly when Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit said
Why should the mother of my LORD come to visit me.
If the Holy Spirit, speaking through Elizabeth can say this, then who are you to say that Mary is not he mother of God?

Jesus is God in glory.The problem is not about who Jesus is.
Mary was the mother of Jesus(the man) while He was on the earth.
Now(in heaven)Mary PLAYS NO ROLE as the mother of Jesus.Read Mark 12 to see what Jesus says about people in heaven.There is no wife,no husband,no mother or son.
There is no Scriptural basis for Mary to be the 'mother of God'.She was the mother of Jesus (the man) while He was on the earth.

Proffdada:
what is not certified by Jesus is null and void in CHRISTIANITY. Maybe in elizabethianity or gabrielity

going by what u just said, then what Jesus doesn't condemn cannot be condemned by any man. Show me were Jesus condemned Blessed Virgin Mary for saying 'henceforth, all generations shall call me blessed' U were asking were Jesus hailed Mary or called her mother. But God hailed Mary through his angel Gabriel or are u saying that Jesus is not God? even Elizabeth filled with the holy spirit said that Mary was blessed amongst women and she even went ahead to call her "mother of my lord" what else are u looking for Mr?

Beey:
Yes of course.I said my issue with Catholicism is the doctrine where supposedly good works will affect one's judgment before God.

I want to believe not only catholics but every other people believe That self righeteousness is a sin

freshboi88:


I didn't c NY scripture that backed ur crooked interpretation of been mother of Jesus ending wen she died.....show me were d bible said tht

Proverbs says 'get (spiritual)understanding'.
Go back again and read what I wrote.Before you do ask God to give you understanding.If you read and still don't understand,ask Him for understanding again before you sleep this night.
Re-read it again tomorrow.

The problem here is 'understanding'.

femi4:
Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him

The word “baptize.” comes from a Greek word which means “to submerge in water"

This is ridiculous....so were does this say, it must be done this way........guess u added that part

thorpido:
Proverbs says 'get (spiritual)understanding'.
Go back again and read what I wrote.Before you do ask God to give you understanding.If you read and still don't understand,ask Him for understanding again before you sleep this night.
Re-read it again tomorrow.

The problem here is 'understanding'.

I am looking for were the bible said, when Mary died she stopped been the mother of Jesus....that's what u said..........show !e and stop foaming from the mouth

amunkita:
If the catholics re bible believing, they would ve known that making supplication through the "Queen of Heaven" is a prayer to the wife of Baal....
That is idolatry....
Jeremiah 44 vs 17- 26 or read the whole passage.

All things are not in the bible. Catholics have rich culture that formed part of their doctrine. There re many things not recorded in the bible, even the bible states so.
If you have a problem with the title Queen of Heaven, the mother of king Jesus should be a Queen. Mary has done so much more than you can think of in Christendom. Even as at present she has been calling for repentance, penance and prayer for the sins of the world that is offending the Heavenly father.
God have used her to prevent many wars in history. The battle of Lepanto for example that the Moors waged against Christians in 1671. The soldiers fought that warbeen backed up with the prayers of the holy rosary. If that war was won by the Moors. There couldnt be Christians in Africa because the whole of Europe could have turned Islam.

Also, is the first and second world war. You can browse of the apparition of fatima. You can read it up on ur own.

PLS DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST THE HOLY VIRGIN MARY FOR YOU HAVE LIMITED KNOWLEDGE AGAINST HER. IF GOD HIMSELF HAS HONOURED HER, PLS DONT DISHONOUR HER. "ALLGENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED"

thorpido:
Jesus is God in glory.The problem is not about who Jesus is.
Mary was the mother of Jesus(the man) while He was on the earth.
Now(in heaven)Mary PLAYS NO ROLE as the mother of Jesus.Read Mark 12 to see what Jesus says about people in heaven.There is no wife,no husband,no mother or son.
There is no Scriptural basis for Mary to be the 'mother of God'.She was the mother of Jesus (the man) while He was on the earth.

So Jesus on earth is different from Jesus in heaven

Neminc:


All I see is you guys beating about the bush. I don't consider Catholics pagans. Pentecostals don't disagree with everything about the Catholic church. We specifically mentioned the doctrines we disagree with and you guys should answer the question and stop beating about the bush. Where did the Bible tell us we should supplicate to Mary? And where did the Bible tell you she was assumed into heaven and given a throne beside his son and that we are to go to her if we want to get to her son?

and where is is written in your Bible that all Christian practice and doctrine are mentioned there

Ubenedictus:


what would you be judged on on the last day?


where does your Bible teach faith ALONE saves?

Faith in Jesus & repentance of sin.Rom.10:9-10 "

ireneidiva:

The new pope that changed a lot of prayers and other things in the catholic church nko?

what lot of other things and prayers did the new pope change?
The Pope b4 pope Francis changed some responses eg. before in the Catholic Church when the priest says to the congregation "the Lord be with u", the congregation responds "and also with u" but pope benedict changed the response to "and with ur spirit" so now if the priest says 'the Lord be with u' we respond 'and with ur spirit'. so if that's what u mean by change of doctrine then clearly u don't know the meaning of doctrine as it relates to religion. So pls ma, I wld like to know the other things the new pope changed

analice107:

Paying money for guys in purgatory to enter heaven.

And i had to really research and find out where the Catholic Church got that doctrine from, I saw it. I'm sure you don't even know it's origin but you go on propagating it.

We need to investigate our doctrines else we'll be worshiping satan in disguise.

please i still do not understand you...pay for which money......
what i know is mass booking.......so please come out clean

asuustrike2009:

Your doctrine ought to be Bible base not just Christ based. The Bible is a guide Christians should follow.

where is it started that doctrine must be Bible based?

Tellemall:


Good you've observed that God himself asked them to. But who commanded the Catholics to?

you asking catholics who commanded them to adorn the church with paintings and images of the christian faith from the painting of the creation to the ressurection or the paintings of the holy family or the last supper?

asuustrike2009:

Why would I runaway? Are there demons there

you are the one who said you never pray in those rooms, I should be asking you that question

freshboi88:


So Jesus on earth is different from Jesus in heaven

Different is realms.
On the earth,Jesus had a body.Now He dwells as a Spirit.Spirits don't have mothers.

analice107:

You are quick to call people names even when you are in the wrong.

What in Catholicism is Biblical? Is it the mentioning of the name Jesus or what? Olumba mentions Jesus, but we know it's a charade.

Catholicism is a distinct religion and not Christianity.

you have still failed to itemise one of those fake doctrines.
Catholics do not call jesus name in charade.this what catholics believe in.

The Apostles Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1:1; Rom 1:20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3:17; Phil 2:12)
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1:35)
born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2:7)
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19:16)
was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19:29 – 42)
He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3:19 – 20)
on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24:51)
and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1:3)
the Father almighty; (Mk 14:36)
from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10:39)
to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:15 – 20; Acts 1:7 –
the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16:18 – 19; Eph 5:26-27; Col 1:24)
the communion of Saints, (Mt 28:19 – 20; 2 Cor 11:13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20:22 – 23)
the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15:51 – 54; 1 Thes 4:13 – 18)
and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5:20)

Amen.

oyinda1599:
my friend, i wanna sleep now.we will continue tmr.pls sleeptite and sealed.

I am not your friend my friend

dingbang:
I want to believe not only catholics but every other people believe That self righeteousness is a sin

Ye, true.Byt there's no self-righteousness here.We are just discussing a topic which you started with scriptural backing.

blackbriar:


you asking catholics who commanded them to adorn the church with paintings and images of the christian faith from the painting of the creation to the ressurection or the paintings of the holy family or the last supper?

Yes. Christians of old didn't do that religious display.

You live Christianity, not display it


Plus, the main issue which you've not responded to, though you brought it up, is:

As the Israelites of old were told to build an ark for God, who told the Catholics to make images of Mary?

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sonature1:


Kindly show me where this is in the Bible: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death." Thank you. Please I want to learn.

it is not in the bible as it was a prayer made by the church as the second part of the hail mary.

zaragoza:


going by what u just said, then what Jesus doesn't condemn cannot be condemned by any man. Show me were Jesus condemned Blessed Virgin Mary for saying 'henceforth, all generations shall call me blessed' U were asking were Jesus hailed Mary or called her mother. But God hailed Mary through his angel Gabriel or are u saying that Jesus is not God? even Elizabeth filled with the holy spirit said that Mary was blessed amongst women and she even went ahead to call her "mother of my lord" what else are u looking for Mr?

was Jesus there when it was mentioned?

Tellemall:


Yes. Christians of old didn't do that religious display.

You live Christianity, not display it


Plus, the main issue which you've not responded to, though you brought it up, is:

As the Israelites of old were told to build an ark for God, who told the Catholics to make images of Mary?

I

ohhh na mary own dey bug you, the images of the apostles and saints no bug you.
please read about the history of sacred arts