Beey:
Yes of course.I said my issue with Catholicism is the doctrine where supposedly good works will affect one's judgment before God.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat
of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed
for his deeds in the body, according to what he
has done, whether good or bad.
Verse Concepts
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not go on passing judgment before
the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will
both bring to light the things hidden in the
darkness and disclose the motives of men's
hearts; and then each man's praise will come to
him from God.
Verse Concepts
1 Peter 1:17
If you address as Father the One who impartially
judges according to each one's work, conduct
yourselves in fear during the time of your stay
on earth;
Verse Concepts
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small,
standing before the throne, and books were
opened; and another book was opened, which is
the book of life; and the dead were judged from
the things which were written in the books,
according to their deeds.
Verse Concepts
Psalm 62:12
And lovingkindness is Yours, O Lord, For You
recompense a man according to his work.
Verse Concepts
Proverbs 24:12
If you say, "See, we did not know this," Does He
not consider it who weighs the hearts? And
does He not know it who keeps your soul? And
will He not render to man according to his
work?
Verse Concepts
Colossians 3:25
For he who does wrong will receive the
consequences of the wrong which he has done,
and that without partiality.
Verse Concepts

Beey:
Ye, true.Byt there's no self-righteousness here.We are just discussing a topic which you started with scriptural backing.

and I am trying to make u understand that catholics don't believe that only works will be sufficient to attain heaven... You ain't a Catholic so you don't have the right to tell us what we don't do after we have made u understand that we don't do such

blackbriar:


it is not in the bible as it was a prayer made by the church as the second part of the hail mary.

a prayer formed by men after discarding the Lord's prayer

thorpido:
Different is realms.
On the earth,Jesus had a body.Now He dwells as a Spirit.Spirits don't have mothers.

Heresy Jesus rose with his body.....wen d apostles got yo the tomb....he body was no longer der...be fooling urself with ur false teaching

blackbriar:


ohhh na mary own dey bug you, the images of the apostles and saints no bug you.
please read about the history of sacred arts

You brought it up.

If you can't answer it because it will shake the foundations of your faith, don't try and divert it.

You said that the Israelites were told by God to make an ark. It's well recorded. But who commanded you to do the sacred arts and make images of Mary?

Remember the golden calf? And Jeroboam? Nobody told them to, and you can read for yourself the end results.

Sacred arts indeed.

How sacred it is for you to imagine what Jesus and Mary looked like, and fashion them in your own image and then​ adore and worship them, when you were not given the divine commandment to.

dingbang:
and I am trying to make u understand that catholics don't believe that only works will be sufficient to attain heaven... You ain't a Catholic so you don't have the right to tell us what we don't do after we have made u understand that we don't do such

LOL, you are getting angry and yet you started this topic so that people can discuss.In a discussion, you hear things that you'd want to hear & others you wouldn't wanna hear.Sonif you weren't ready to hear people's opinions, why start this topic?

Proffdada:
a prayer formed by men after discarding the Lord's prayer

hah ha hah haha hha, you guys just wake up and assume.

The Communion Rite

The eating and drinking together of the Lord’s Body and Blood in a Paschal meal is the culmination of the Eucharist. The themes underlying these rites are the mutual love and reconciliation that are both the condition and the fruit of worthy communion and the unity of the many in the One.

The Lord’s Prayer

The congregation stands and the Priest says:

At the Saviour’s command
and formed by divine teaching, we dare to say:
Together with the people, he continues:

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come,
thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
The Priest alone continues, saying:

Deliver us, Lord, we pray, from every evil,
graciously grant peace in our days,
that, by the help of your mercy,
we may be always free from sin
and safe from all distress,
as we await the blessed hope
and the coming of our Saviour, Jesus Christ.
The people conclude the prayer, acclaiming:

For the kingdom,
the power and the glory are yours
now and for ever.

Tellemall:


You brought it up.

If you can't answer it because it would shake the foundations of your faith, don't try and divert it.

You said that the Israelites were told by God to make an ark. It's well recorded. But who commanded you to do the sacred arts and make images of Mary?

Remember the golden calf? And Jeroboam? Nobody told them to, and you can read for yourself the end results.

Sacred arts indeed

shake which foundations

is it form the fish symbol for christ or the chi-rho.
please read up the history of sacred arts.

sonature1:


Kindly show me where this is in the Bible: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death." Thank you. Please I want to learn.

It is not in the Bible. It was added later and approved by a catholic council. The catholic church is not sola scriptura, i.e. it does not do things by the bible alone! It takes into consideration, tradition and inspiration.

Do you think the Holy Spirit stopped inspiring people after the writers of the literatures compiled into today's Bible?

blackbriar:


shake which foundations

is it form the fish symbol for christ or the chi-rho.
please read up the history of sacred arts.

You cannot answer the question. Simple.

All your diversions are pointless.

Who commanded you to do the sacred arts?

Beey:
Faith in Jesus & repentance of sin.Rom.10:9-10 "

I thought you said Faith alone now you change mouth when you find alone to be unbiblical.

blackbriar:


you have still failed to itemise one of those fake doctrines.
Catholics do not call jesus name in charade.this what catholics believe in.

The Apostles Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1:1; Rom 1:20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3:17; Phil 2:12)
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1:35)
born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2:7)
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19:16)
was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19:29 – 42)
He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3:19 – 20)
on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24:51)
and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1:3)
the Father almighty; (Mk 14:36)
from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10:39)
to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:15 – 20; Acts 1:7 –
the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16:18 – 19; Eph 5:26-27; Col 1:24)
the communion of Saints, (Mt 28:19 – 20; 2 Cor 11:13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20:22 – 23)
the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15:51 – 54; 1 Thes 4:13 – 18)
and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5:20)

Amen.

Guy, i'm not here to exchange words with you, You are not talking to someone who was born Pentecostal. I was deep into Catholicism, so i know what i'm talking about. I was in that same position you are right now defending the paganistic practices of Catholicism until Christ by Himself drew me out.

Keep projecting idol worship, you shall stand to defend it before the White Throne Judgement.

Tellemall:


You cannot answer the question. Simple.

All your diversions are pointless.

Who commanded you to do the sacred arts?

READ HISTORY OF SACRED ARTS....NNNA ISNT THAT ENOUGH ANSWER

analice107:

Guy, i'm here to exchange words with you, You are not talking to someone who was born Pentecostal. I was deep into Catholicism, so i know what i'm talking about. I was in that same position you are right now defending the paganistic practices of Catholicism until Christ by Himself drew me out.

Keep projecting idol worship, you shall stand to defend it before the White Throne Judgement.

well i am here to tell you what the catholics believe in

analice107:

You see it so, but it's not like that. We Christians calls out errors, we do not cover sin.

Muslims cover their evils, we don't, we call it out. If you are living in error, the Bible enjoins me to call you to order. The voice of pride says, don't talk about it, lest you get laughed at, and the voice of pride is the voice of satan

Call a Spade a Spade, not a gardening tool.

lol,u r funny,correcting someone with insult is also a correction,well correcting someone living in error and judging someone are 2 different thing dear,i will still say this again GOD WONT ASK FOR THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH ON JUDGEMENT DAY,JST LIVE RIGHT AND LEAVE THE REST FOR GOD TO JUDGE.

Ubenedictus:
I thought you said Faith alone now you change mouth when you find alone to be unbiblical.

I didn't change anything.My stand was clear.In your teachings you believe that the good deeds you do here will save you.But the Bible is clear it's salvation through faith which involves confessing that Jesus is Lord.Shall good deeds be rewarded? Absolutely.But they solely can't earn you salvation.

blackbriar:


READ HISTORY OF SACRED ARTS....NNNA ISNT THAT ENOUGH ANSWER

Who commanded you to?

When the children of Israel had fallen into the worship of the golden calves, when they were asked, at least they had the integrity to point at who told them to. They didn't begin to talk about refining gold.

Who commanded you to make images of Mary and adore and worship them?

Art has been alive and well for millennia. But who told you to do that?

You point out that God commanded the Israelites to make an ark. Yet you can't back your idol worship up with Divinity.

Beey:
LOL, you are getting angry and yet you started this topic so that people can discuss.In a discussion, you hear things that you'd want to hear & others you wouldn't wanna hear.Sonif you weren't ready to hear people's opinions, why start this topic?

first of all.. Look through all the pages in this thread and check if I argued with anyone .... You are the only person who got my attention

Didov1:
lol,u r funny,correcting someone with insult is also a correction,well correcting someone living in error and judging someone are 2 different thing dear,i will still say this again GOD WONT ASK FOR THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH ON JUDGEMENT DAY,JST LIVE RIGHT AND LEAVE THE REST FOR GOD TO JUDGE.

Hmmmm. Is God also against REBUKE? you seem to be mistaking rebuke from judgement.

Catholics are quick to point out 'Don't judge' when they are called out for their errors, but fail to point out that we as Christians are enjoined to rebuke error openly.

Apostle Paul rebuked Peter for his errors, what will you say to that, did he judge him?

Shd you be left to die in your error?

blackbriar:

well i am here to tell you what the catholics believe in

So, not all Catholics know what Catholics believe in?
Guy, enjoy your idolatry, The White Throne Judgment seat shall determine.

Tellemall:


Who commanded you to?

When the children of Israel had fallen into the worship of the golden calves, when they were asked, at least they had the integrity to point at who told them to. They didn't begin to talk about refining gold.

Who commanded you to make images of Mary and adore and worship them?

Art has been alive and well for millennia. But who told you to do that?

Yet you point out that God commanded the Israelites to make an ark. Yet you can't back your idol worship up with Divinity.

YES THEY DID worship that god of fertility....and God asked them to sacrifice animals(calfs) in defiance to that same God.
the idea of worship is all forms of worship goes to God the creator of heaven and earth.
thats why the ark of the covenant(an image also) was so sacred because it represents the presence of God among the Israelites and also all forms of venerations before it brought worship to God.
Remember why micah was cursed?
God also instructed his temple to be adorned with images of palms.and he accepted all offerings from that temple(Solomons offerings).
putting up paintings of the history of christian salvation can be traced back to the early church and fathers.
WHICH WAS WHY I SAID READ UP ABOUT THE HISTORY OF SACRED ARTS.

freshboi88:


This is ridiculous....so were does this say, it must be done this way........guess u added that part

didn't you see he went up from water

Check the meaning of the word baptizo, its not English BTW

When the apostles wrote the New Testament in Greek, they used the following words:

(I) cheo meaning "to pour"

(2) rantidzo meaningz "to sprinkle"

(3) baptizo meaning "to immerse" or "to dip.

analice107:

So, not all Catholics know what Catholics believe in?

Guy, enjoy your idolatry, The White Throne Judgment seat shall determine.

YOU SAID you were once a catholic...so how can you be one when you are not one anymore?

freshboi88:


Jesus was baptized in a river, why not say it must be a river too

Check the source of water where subsequent baptism were done by the apostle

Act 8:38

in Acts 8. Philip teaching Christianity to the Ethiopian eunuch. When the eunuch asked to be baptized, he and Philip " . . . went down both into the water" (v.38) for baptism. And when they were finished ". . . they were come up out of the water

As you can see Philip carried this particular baptism in a "pool of water",. As you can see, the source of water is unknown. Its not compulsory it has to be a river.

What was emphatic in all instances sighted was that they needed " pool of water " to perform baptism. If Baptism is by sprinkling, there is no point going down the water

blackbriar:


YES THEY DID worship that god of fertility....and God asked them to sacrifice animals(calfs) in defiance to that same God.
the idea of worship is all forms of worship goes to God the creator of heaven and earth.
thats why the ark of the covenant(an image also) was so sacred because it represents the presence of God among the Israelites and also all forms of venerations before it brought worship to God.
Remember why micah was cursed?
God also instructed his temple to be adorned with images of palms.and he accepted all offerings from that temple(Solomons offerings).
putting up paintings of the history of christian salvation can be traced back to the early church and fathers.
WHICH WAS WHY I SAID READ UP ABOUT THE HISTORY OF SACRED ARTS.

Your first line is the end of this.

Bye.

Tellemall:


Your first line is the end of this.

Bye.

IT Is the end of what?
is the ark of the convenant a demi-god?
are the palm tress demi gods?
is the painting of christ passion and ressurection not about the messiah works and reminds us daily about our christiAN FAITH.

HungerBAD:
The Catholic right?

I am a Christian, and attend a Pentecostal Church. Churches, just like Christianity, is open to individual definition on how they see it and it has no one clear definition. so your question on why people consider the Catholic something else, will get you a lot of different answers, even if majority will be shrouded in ambiguity.

The Catholic Church did not start getting heat today from people. It started from the time the Church deviated from the Bible, and became a POLITICAL PARTY in the 14th and 15th Century.

The Catholic Church became too powerful.

There was a time in Europe, the Catholic Church had their hands in the choosing of Monarchs, and was heavily into financial racketeering. And it is on record that most Pope from that Era were Closet/Open Gays, who liked little boys, and that problem still persists with the amount the Catholic Church around the World keep paying money yearly to little boys molested by Catholic Priests.

And that is why Martin Luther lead the revolt, that nearly saw the collapse of the Catholic. God bless him.

As an individual, my problem with the Catholic has to do with the way they worship, as it is almost idolatry. Why can't i as a Christian pray to God directly?why do i need one statue, picture or something to intercede for me?why do i need to be calling the name of this Saint or that Saint to intercede on my behalf?

Why do i need to confess my sins in a Booth to another man(Reverend Father) when i can talk to God directly?is the Reverend Father now a gate keeper to God or Heaven?

But all these pale in comparison to one SIN i will never forgive the Catholic for. And that SIN is to make ABLE MEN with WORKING PRIVATE PARTS not be able to MAKE LOVE, or have babies just because they want to be Catholic Priests. Who made that DAMN LAW? God put a D--K on a man's body for a reason, but the Catholic, who in some way are claiming GOD are forcing MEN not to use it, because they want to serve God.

God, when he created MAN in the Garden of EDEN noticed after some days he had KONJI. And so he created EVE to be his helper,both in that Department(KONJI) and other Departments. So why is the Catholic Church reversing God's law?

people bn carrying catholic matters on their head like dandruff for ages,, when will people learn to mind their business ,,. if its idolatory how does it affect u?? u re not catholic , why not face whatever u worship and leave catholics to theirs.
pock nosing other peoples affair is the major cause of crises all over d world. if only people will learn to stay on their lane..

analice107:

Hmmmm. Is God also against REBUKE? you seem to be mistaking rebuke from judgement.

Catholics are quick to point out 'Don't judge' when they are called out for their errors, but fail to point out that we as Christians are enjoined to rebuke error openly.

Apostle Paul rebuked Peter for his errors, what will you say to that, did he judge him?

Shd you be left to die in your error?

did paul insult peter when rebuking him,jst reread what i wrote up there,sims u jst read 2 lines nd rush to comment,m nt against you correcting a fellow christian,m nt here to argue with you,whichever way u wish to understand my message,thats up to you,i know someone else understand what i wrote.gooday

amunkita:
No book in d bible instruct we make supplication via Mary...

then dont.. leave those who do to their faith..simple

zaragoza:


what lot of other things and prayers did the new pope change?
The Pope b4 pope Francis changed some responses eg. before in the Catholic Church when the priest says to the congregation "the Lord be with u", the congregation responds "and also with u" but pope benedict changed the response to "and with ur spirit" so now if the priest says 'the Lord be with u' we respond 'and with ur spirit'. so if that's what u mean by change of doctrine then clearly u don't know the meaning of doctrine as it relates to religion. So pls ma, I wld like to know the other things the new pope changed

Oh, you people have finally agreed that he changed something. You see yourselves. No further comments. I don't preach church.

zaragoza:


what lot of other things and prayers did the new pope change?
The Pope b4 pope Francis changed some responses eg. before in the Catholic Church when the priest says to the congregation "the Lord be with u", the congregation responds "and also with u" but pope benedict changed the response to "and with ur spirit" so now if the priest says 'the Lord be with u' we respond 'and with ur spirit'. so if that's what u mean by change of doctrine then clearly u don't know the meaning of doctrine as it relates to religion. So pls ma, I wld like to know the other things the new pope changed

Funny but the Pope didn't even change the responses. What happened was that those who first translated those responses from Latin to English did it but it did not correspond exactly to what the Latin translation is.
Eg the response " and also with you" was from the Latin response " et cum spiritu tuo" but the most accurate translation of this Latin response is "and with your spirit"
If I remember correctly it wasn't even the Pope who ordered the correction precisely but the congregation for the doctrine of divine worship.

femi4:
Check the source of water where subsequent baptism were done by the apostle

Act 8:38

in Acts 8. Philip teaching Christianity to the Ethiopian eunuch. When the eunuch asked to be baptized, he and Philip " . . . went down both into the water" (v.38) for baptism. And when they were finished ". . . they were come up out of the water

As you can see Philip carried this particular baptism in a "pool of water",. As you can see, the source of water is unknown. Its not compulsory it has to be a river.

What was emphatic in all instances sighted was that they needed " pool of water " to perform baptism. If Baptism is by sprinkling, there is no point going down the water

The thing of note in baptism by water is water .....the Catholic church doesn't perform baptism by sprinkling.....it does it by pouring.....