KingEbukasBlog:


We are talking about Christianity and you are talking about the catholic church . But if I mention the atheist tyrants who killed people for questioning atheism and acknowledging God's existence ,will you accept that atheism rejects skepticism ?

When your own logic comes back to bite you

JackBizzle:



What is this religious skepticism you keep talking about? If one was truly skeptic about religion, one wouldnt remain religious.

How many atheists did you know in Europe in the early centuries?


What you call "religious skeptiism" is actually "theological differences". Meaning that these theologians/clergy men were believers- they just differed on the level of belief.


For instance, there are two people. One says that the sky is green. The other says that the sky is dark green. Both are skeptic of each others claims but both are wrong.

JackBizzle:



I was a catholic before you were born, sippy.

And the catholic church was christianity in the early century. No church present today has an older history.

KingEbukasBlog:


We are talking about Christianity and you are talking about the catholic church . But if I mention the atheist tyrants who killed people for questioning atheism and acknowledging God's existence ,will you accept that atheism rejects skepticism ?

When your own logic comes back to bite you

butterflyl1on:


Scepticism simply means DOUBT and not outright denial.

One can be sceptical of religion but still be religious.

butterflyl1on:


He believes the Catholic Church means Christianity

butterflyl1on:


Scepticism simply means DOUBT and not outright denial.

One can be sceptical of religion but still be religious.

KingEbukasBlog:


Exactly . Religious skepticism allows for adherents of one religion to be skeptical of another religion .

butterflyl1on:


Jackbizzle is so ignorant it's laughable

JackBizzle:



Simple "yes" or "no", my guy dey blow grammar.

KingEbukasBlog:


indoctrination(to accept something uncritically)

JackBizzle:



You do realise that atheists/agnostics are usually called skeptics?

budaatum:

Oh move on for Christ sake. The man already accepted his mistake.

KingEbukasBlog:


Sir , you don't need to bother them about the true meaning of indoctrination . Whether is to teach , or to accept something uncritically it really does not matter ( we all know it means originally to teach )

Let's see it this way :

If it is to teach , yes we were indoctrinated in Christianity

If it is to accept what is being taught uncritically , no we weren't in Christianity : https://www.nairaland.com/4136342/atheism-vs-christianity-which-one/1#61737386

JackBizzle:



You do realise that atheists/agnostics are usually called skeptics?

KingEbukasBlog:


Irrelevant

Answer this question : But if I mention the atheist tyrants who killed people for questioning atheism and acknowledging God's existence ,will you accept that atheism rejects skepticism ?

KingEbukasBlog:


First , there is a problem we have to identify and that's the presupposition from the OP that there is indoctrination(to accept something uncritically ) in Christianity . There is not , if there were we won't have different biblical interpretations , sects in Christianity , and schools of thought in Christian theology . And why is this so ? Because Christianity allows for skepticism believe .

Example :
Being skeptical about believe in the literal interpretation of the bible , we have St Augustine's allegorical exegesis
Being skeptical about Believe in the divinity of Christ led to Arianism
Critical examinationBelieve in God's providence and freewill led to Molinism
Critical examination aboutBelieve in the book of revelation led to preterism
Critical look at howBelieve on how God establishes His presence with man led to Sandemanianism

The list is endless ...

Christian theology in fact allows for rationality while studying the tenants of Christianity and the bible .

As a child I wasn't told to take whatever being taught to me as facts . Look at me moving from creationism , progressive creationism and now to special creationism .

If Christianity allowed indoctrination as the OP claims, there wouldn't be Christian theology , St Thomas Aquinas wouldn't have made arguments for God's existence to defend his belief . Irish priest George Berkeley's profound argument for idealism - Esse est percipi - wouldn't have been made . George Lemaitre , the Belgian priest wouldn't have developed the Big Bang Theory , Christian archaeologists wouldn't bother to verify the stories in the bible etc . The list again is endless ...

JackBizzle:



The catholic church is not christianity but please, consider these facts.


1. In the early centuries, the catholic church was christianity. It had the power and the authority before the protestants came

2. The catholic church has over a billion members. It is the largest and most influential christian denomination...not to mention the oldest.


It should be acceptable to use them as the representative of christianity.. Or should I use your mushroom church?

butterflyl1on:


You do realise that religious skepticism is not the sole proprietorship of atheists and agnostics.

A religious fellow can be skeptical of a particular teaching by a religion but not the whole religion.

So skepticism does not imply denial.

chemystery:
FIXED!!!
Everyone knows there is no skepticism in Christianity simply because Christianity appeals to an unquestionable authority which is god. Hence anything said is believed without given a second thought so long as it comes from the bible which is believed by Christians to be the true word of god.

Being skeptical means challenging the bible, which implies challenging god's authority.

So use the right words next time

KingEbukasBlog:


Irrelevant

Answer this question : But if I mention the atheist tyrants who killed people for questioning atheism and acknowledging God's existence ,will you accept that atheism rejects skepticism ?

JackBizzle:


You are right.

But if one is truly skeptical of religion, one wouldnt be part of that religion.

JackBizzle:


It was their animus! Just kidding, just kidding!


Atheism does not accept or reject anything except the existence of God. Atheism does not accept the existence of God.


By default an atheist is skeptical about the existence of God. The same atheist could believe in magical tea leaves or lucky stars.

Atheism's only deal with skepticism is with the existence of god which is quite a logical one.

JackBizzle:

Atheism's only deal with skepticism is with the existence of god which is quite a logical one.

JackBizzle:


Of course. But it does prove that it was not an omniscient or all mighty being from the bible that orchestrated it.

KingEbukasBlog:


I can see you are really struggling to understand these simple terms . You can be skeptical while holding a position or stance on a particular issue and you can be skeptical without holding any position or stance .

That's why it is called religious skepticism . And this includes being skeptical while being religious and being skeptical without being religious .

KingEbukasBlog:


Theism's only deal with skepticism is questioning anything that questions the existence of God which is quite a logical one.

Atheism : I'm rational because I question God's existence

Theism : I'm rational because I question anything that questions God's existence

All na skepticism shey ?

chemystery:

Being skeptical means challenging the bible, which implies challenging god's authority.

budaatum:

Not pertaining to this thread's topic, but:
Excuse me? Where does anything said on this thread so far prove "omniscient or all mighty being from the bible" did not orchestrate evolution?

In another thread perhaps, so as not to derail this one!

KingEbukasBlog:


His own topic says Christianity and he is talking of Catholic Church . Such confusion

budaatum:

Not pertaining to this thread's topic, but:
Excuse me? Where does anything said on this thread so far prove "omniscient or all mighty being from the bible" did not orchestrate evolution?

In another thread perhaps, so as not to derail this one!

JackBizzle:



The statement under theism is not only illogical but dogmatic and daft.

Questioning anything that questions God's existence is a biased absolutism.

Good nite

JackBizzle:



The point was that the teaching of religious evolution is indoctrination. Evolution and God (of the bible) are incompatible.


Kindly Swerve.

budaatum:


The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide. Wiki