JackBizzle:


Thus enters the issue of "weak" and "strong" skepticism.

At this point, sleep dey catch me. I wan sleep.

This guy must be a goal keeper of some sort . Your goalpost shifting is the worst I've ever seen . They claimed its Dalam0n , but damn nigga its you .

You haven't answered this question still : But if I mention the atheist tyrants who killed people for questioning atheism and acknowledging God's existence ,will you accept that atheism rejects skepticism ?

Indoctrination is the only way a religious person stays religious. Religion does not in any way encourage people to critically question their beliefs or God's word. They are in fact thought to "just believe" without questioning.

Religious skeptism has never been allowed or encouraged by the religious community as this completely defies the very essence of religion, which is that God's word is true, unquestionable and final.

KingEbukasBlog:


This is just ignorance . There are Christians that don't agree to bible inerrancy . Challenging the bible does not mean challenging God's authority .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_inerrancy#Criticism

strawman fallacy! Who is talking about bible inerrancy here now?

JackBizzle:


You are right.

But if one is truly skeptical of religion, one wouldnt be part of that religion.

The skepticism you talk about is not deep. That is why i called it theological differences.

Stop shooting yourself in the foot. If you agree skepticism is not denial then why are you then talking about TRUE skepticism?

Does skepticism now hold a hierarchy of meanings?

KingEbukasBlog:


Woah ! This is new . Another atheist spotting the shallow reasoning from another atheist ? Good things to come ?

I knew you'd do that. It's silly of you, but I knew you'd do it all the same, along with your humpty dumptyism, obscurantism and calling in the calvary to help derail the thread.

The issue on this thread has nothing to do with evolution. It is as stated in the previous thread. A thread titled Is Evolution Dogma, would make for interesting discussion, but its not for here.

Be assured, your religion or beliefs do not stop you being a creation of god (if say I were to believe god exists and created you). If I respect your opinion instead of insulting you it is because I glorify the creation of god, after all, is it not written that in as much as I do unto you, I have done on to the father in heaven whom I see not?

Taking Christianity for example, there are many instances where the Bible directs oblivious subjection to God's words and ways. By this alone, any form of acceptance or tolerance of skeptism or critical questioning of the belief system, is duly contradictory to basis of the Christian religion

KingEbukasBlog:


The statement under atheism is not only illogical but dogmatic and daft.

Questioning God's existence is a biased absolutism.

Good nite

LMAO

budaatum:

Don't swerve me! The title of the thread is

(Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination?)

No where is evolution mentioned in the title or the body of the opening thread. You prove your point or swerve yourself!

Jackbizzle the classic goalpost shifter by 100 kilometres

budaatum:


The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide. Wiki

Christianity means LIKE CHRIST and not LIKE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Sylvekzee:
Indoctrination is the only way a religious person stays religious. Religion does not in any way encourage people to critically question their beliefs or God's word. They are in fact thought to "just believe" without questioning.

Religious skeptism has never been allowed or encouraged by the religious community as this completely defies the very essence of religion, which is that God's word is true, unquestionable and final.

This thread does not deny religious indoctrination in terms of teaching and it also does not deny atheistic indoctrination in terms of teaching. We simply reject your uncritical analysis assertion.

Read this again to understand

chemystery:
strawman fallacy! Who is talking about bible inerrancy here now?

I dont think you know what a strawman is .

You claimed that Christians aren't allowed to question the bible and that questioning the bible is questioning God's authority .

I showed you why that that claim is so false with Christians who question bible inerrancy . Bible inerrancy means that the bible is ultimately God's word- that there are no errors , it is infallible and undeniably the word of God . Questioning bible inerrancy means not accepting that the bible is God's word and this does not mean God's authority is challenged .

butterflyl1on:


Does skepticism now hold a hierarchy of meanings?

Yes it sort of does! A protestant may be skeptic when it comes to describing Catholics as Christians, for instance. Atheism on the other hand is sceptic on steroids as far as existence of gods is concerned.

Skepticism (American English) or scepticism (British English; see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude or doubt towards one or more items of putative knowledge or belief.[1][2] It is often directed at domains, such as morality (moral skepticism), religion (skepticism about the existence of God), or knowledge (skepticism about the possibility of knowledge, or of certainty).[3] Formally, skepticism as a topic occurs in the context of philosophy, particularly epistemology, although it can be applied to any topic such as politics, religion, and pseudoscience.

budaatum:

Yes it sort of does! A protestant may be skeptic when it comes to describing Catholics as Christians, for instance. Atheism on the other hand is sceptic on steroids as far as existence of gods is concerned.

Skepticism (American English) or scepticism (British English; see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude or doubt towards one or more items of putative knowledge or belief.[1][2] It is often directed at domains, such as morality (moral skepticism), religion (skepticism about the existence of God), or knowledge (skepticism about the possibility of knowledge, or of certainty).[3] Formally, skepticism as a topic occurs in the context of philosophy, particularly epistemology, although it can be applied to any topic such as politics, religion, and pseudoscience.

Scepticism boils down to one thing and one thing only....DOUBT!

anything we attach skepticism to is simply being skeptical of that PARTICULAR thing and does not show hierarchy but specification.

butterflyl1on:


Scepticism boils down to one thing and one thing only....DOUBT!

anything we attach skepticism to is simply being skeptical of that PARTICULAR thing and does not show hierarchy but specification.

Exactly . I can doubt the claim made by atheists that the universe is eternal or came from nothing . My brother , am I not a skeptic then ?

butterflyl1on:


Christianity means LIKE CHRIST and not LIKE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

The church's doctrines are summarised in the Nicene Creed. Please point out to me where it claims, "LIKE CATHOLIC CHURCH". The second version is from The Book of Common Prayer as read in the Anglican Church.

English translation of the Armenian version

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, the maker of heaven and earth, of things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the begotten of God the Father, the Only-begotten, that is of the essence of the Father.

God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten and not made; of the very same nature of the Father, by Whom all things came into being, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.

Who for us humanity and for our salvation came down from heaven, was incarnate, was made human, was born perfectly of the holy virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit.

By whom He took body, soul, and mind, and everything that is in man, truly and not in semblance.

He suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven with the same body, [and] sat at the right hand of the Father.

He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father, to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there is no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, in the uncreated and the perfect; Who spoke through the Law, prophets, and Gospels; Who came down upon the Jordan, preached through the apostles, and lived in the saints.

We believe also in only One, Universal, Apostolic, and [Holy] Church; in one baptism in repentance, for the remission, and forgiveness of sins; and in the resurrection of the dead, in the everlasting judgement of souls and bodies, and the Kingdom of Heaven and in the everlasting life.


2011 Revised Translation
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,

and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

KingEbukasBlog:


Exactly . I can doubt the claim made by atheists that the universe is eternal or came from nothing . My brother , am I not a skeptic then ?

Born skeptic

budaatum:


The church's doctrines are summarised in the Nicene Creed. Please point out to me where it claims, "LIKE CATHOLIC CHURCH". The second version is from The Book of Common Prayer as read in the Anglican Church.

English translation of the Armenian version

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, the maker of heaven and earth, of things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the begotten of God the Father, the Only-begotten, that is of the essence of the Father.

God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten and not made; of the very same nature of the Father, by Whom all things came into being, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.

Who for us humanity and for our salvation came down from heaven, was incarnate, was made human, was born perfectly of the holy virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit.

By whom He took body, soul, and mind, and everything that is in man, truly and not in semblance.

He suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven with the same body, [and] sat at the right hand of the Father.

He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father, to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there is no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, in the uncreated and the perfect; Who spoke through the Law, prophets, and Gospels; Who came down upon the Jordan, preached through the apostles, and lived in the saints.

We believe also in only One, Universal, Apostolic, and [Holy] Church; in one baptism in repentance, for the remission, and forgiveness of sins; and in the resurrection of the dead, in the everlasting judgement of souls and bodies, and the Kingdom of Heaven and in the everlasting life.


2011 Revised Translation
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,

and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

That creed IS NOT CHRISTIANITY!

that creed DOES NOT MAKE ANYONE WHO SAYS IT A CHRISTIAN.

butterflyl1on:


Born skeptic

KingEbukasBlog:

Jackbizzle aka DumbBIzzle has used sleep as a cop out mechanism. He opened a thread which as usual backfired on him.

Niggah buried himself with his own hands AS USUAL

KingEbukasBlog:


Exactly . I can doubt the claim made by atheists that the universe is eternal or came from nothing . My brother , am I not a skeptic then ?

You would be a skeptic to that particle idea, and anything else you are skeptical against.

You would stop accepting I was a Christian if I claimed Jesus was the child of the union between Mary and Joseph. You sure as hell would not describe me as being a mere sceptic, as your posts on this forum show!

KingEbukasBlog:


I dont think you know what a strawman is .

You claimed that Christians aren't allowed to question the bible and that questioning the bible is questioning God's authority .

I showed you why that that claim is so false with Christians who question bible inerrancy . Bible inerrancy means that the bible is ultimately God's word- that there are no errors , it is infallible and undeniably the word of God . Questioning bible inerrancy means not accepting that the bible is God's word and this does not mean God's authority is challenged .

Hahahaha! Maybe you mean the Islamic god here @bolded

Everyone knows christians believe the bible is the word of god, and is inspired by god and
Every christian is taught that god is an unquestionable authority.
No christian dares to question anything coming from the bible, which is believed to come from god's inspiration because it is believed that questioning the bible is questioning god's authority.
You can only deny that with the motive to win a debate.

butterflyl1on:


That creed IS NOT CHRISTIANITY!

that creed DOES NOT MAKE ANYONE WHO SAYS IT A CHRISTIAN.

There ought to be an ignore button on this forum for the likes of you. KEB, in my opinion, insults himself by calling on your sort to cheer him on. He is in fact worthy of discussing with. You on the other hand.......


Lord, forgive me for I sin!

budaatum:

You would be a skeptic to that particle idea, and anything else you are skeptical against.

You would stop accepting I was a Christian if I claimed Jesus was the child of the union between Mary and Joseph. You sure as hell would not describe me as being a mere sceptic, as your posts on this forum show!

You are a skeptic same way Thomas was when he doubted the resurrection of Christ and visitation.

Proof from Christ cured him of his skepticism. Same proof would cure you of yours.

Doubt aka skepticism is what makes people to be seen as UNBELIEVERS. UNBELIEVERS simply mean DOUBTERS!

unbelievers abound daily and unbelievers become believers daily so one thing that is sure is that skepticism may cease in the face of evidence. However skepticism can also remain even in the face of evidence.

Herein then comes the problem with atheism and agnostic atheism.

budaatum:

There ought to be an ignore button on this forum for the likes of you. KEB, in my opinion, insults himself by calling on your sort to cheer him on. He is in fact worthy of discussing with. You on the other hand.......


Lord, forgive me for I sin!

Gerraarrahia. You quoted me and I set you straight and you talk about an ignore button? When did a creed translate to Christianity? When did a creed by any church translate to Christianity?

I repeat, That creed IS NOT CHRISTIANITY!

that creed DOES NOT MAKE ANYONE WHO SAYS IT A CHRISTIAN.

Even the devil quotes the word of God. Or do you not know?

budaatum:

Don't swerve me! The title of the thread is

(Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination?)

No where is evolution mentioned in the title or the body of the opening thread. You prove your point or swerve yourself!

How silly.

The topic of the debate on my side is christian/religious indoctrination.

Christian teaching of evolution is one of the examples of indoctrination.


Please swerve with your nonsense.

JackBizzle:



How silly.

The topic of the debate on my side is christian/religious indoctrination.

Christian teaching of evolution is one of the examples of indoctrination.


Please swerve with your nonsense.

Atheistic teachings of evolution is also a very good example of indoctrination wouldn't you agree?

chemystery:

Everyone knows christians believe the bible is the word of god, and is inspired by god and
Every christian is taught that god is an unquestionable authority.
No christian dares to question anything coming from the bible, which is believed to come from god's inspiration because it is believed that questioning the bible is questioning god's authority.
You can only deny that with the motive to win a debate.

Thank you for this. You did the ops work for him i.e. provide evidence for his first argument.

JackBizzle:
My first argument

There is a lot of indoctrination in christianity. I say this because it is a religion that is taught to young children at a stage where they are gullible. Christianity is not taught with logic and open-mindedness. It is usually taught with visions of hell for the disobedient and it is taught as fact, whereas it is just one religion out of hundreds.

butterflyl1on:


Atheistic teachings of evolution is also a very good example of indoctrination wouldn't you agree?

There is no such thing as atheistic teachong of evolution. It is just evolution.

I would tell you to go and slepp but that would be redundant as your brain has never been awake.

JackBizzle:


There is no such thing as atheistic teachong of evolution. It is just evolution.

I would tell you to go and slepp but that would be redundant as your brain has never been awake.

Isn't evolution a counter to creationism?

Do atheists believe in creationism or evolution? Even when they are neither here nor there they still say they are agnostic to a creator God. So what then is your point?

butterflyl1on:


This thread does not deny religious indoctrination in terms of teaching and it also does not deny atheistic indoctrination in terms of teaching. We simply reject your uncritical analysis assertion.

Read this again to understand

I was under the impression the tread was if religion and or atheism indoctrinats (as in brainwashs) (or "teaches" if you prefer) it's adherents into believing without questioning.


My stand which you might figure out is that religion unequivocally indoctrinates it's followers and my prove is found in the holy book of each religious body. Take the Bible for example, it is well written to "believe without questioning". Going against this, is never accepted by the religious bodies.

While atheism on the other hand, wound encourage you to challenge whatever you are told until they are proven to be factual. To do away with beliefs and find facts. Because beliefs can be false while facts will always be true. Then on how to find these facts, atheism recommends science.

butterflyl1on:


Isn't evolution a counter to creationism?

Do atheists believe in creationism or evolution? Even when they are neither here nor there they still say they are agnostic to a creator God. So what then is your point?

Evolution is and has always been a scientific theory on its owN.


It is dogmatic creationists who started becoming deeply pained because science didnt bend to their religion.

NO. EVOLUTION IS NOT A COUNTER TO CREATIONISM. IT IS BEYOND CREATIONISM

Sylvekzee:


I was under the impression the tread was if religion and or atheism indoctrinats (as in brainwashs) (or "teaches" if you prefer) it's adherents into believing without questioning.


My stand which you might figure out is that religion unequivocally indoctrinates it's followers and my prove is found in the holy book of each religious body. Take the Bible for example, it is well written to "believe without questioning". Going against this, is never accepted by the religious bodies.

While atheism on the other hand, wound encourage you to challenge whatever you are told until they are proven to be factual. To do away with beliefs and find facts. Because beliefs can be false while facts will always be true. Then on how to find these facts, atheism recommends science.

Please can you state where atheism made all these statements and encouragements ?