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Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 9:15am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Dalam0n: That's your opinion and not a universally accepted one. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 9:18am On Oct 25, 2017 |
ToVictoriaZ: No. The derivation is from DOC which means TO TEACH. in other words it's medical knowledge which IS TAUGHT! That's simply what doctor means. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:21am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Dalam0n: Religion has none ? There are diverse religions with different beliefs , practices . And what is knowledge ? Justified true belief . Are you saying that no belief in religion has been justified ? And justification leads to truth |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 9:22am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: exactly. indoctrination can be via observation of a lifestyle and not by words. A child who grew up with a father who drinks and smokes has a high tendency of also becoming a smoker and a drunk. They do say that ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAB WORDS. So most times our specific lifestyles which are observed are thought to be more powerful than spoken words. After all everyone believes in DO AS I DO and not DO AS I SAY. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Nobody: 9:23am On Oct 25, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Invalid answer! A doctor is a PERSON not an abstract idea, so there's no way a doctor can be "Medical knowledge which is TAUGHT!". LMAO. ![]() I'm trying to show you that the meaning of a word can DEVIATE from its roots, and words can come to mean ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS overtime. Plus, words being synonymous in certain contexts does not mean they have the same exact meaning! Assasination involves KILLING Execution of criminals involves KILLING as well! Does that mean assasination and excecution mean the same thing?!! |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 9:25am On Oct 25, 2017 |
ToVictoriaZ: A doctor is not a person. A doctor is an office occupied by a person. Knowledge acquired in medicine made him or her a doctor and they were not born one. Saying a doctor is a person is the height of tomfoolery. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by 4kings: 9:32am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Is nothingness(quantum mechanics) fully understood? |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by wirinet(m): 9:35am On Oct 25, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: False premise resulting in false assertions resulting in false conclusions. Brainwashing has nothing to do with impartation of knowledge. It involves using using subtle and sometimes violent means to make the mind accept things it might not accept through teaching and reasoning. I have read extensively and practiced limitedly brainwashing techniques. Subtle techniques include the use of hypnotism, mantra, rites and ceremonies, others are threats, fear and reward and punishment system. Sometimes it is outright violence aka murders, beatings and maiming. Christianity and Islam extensively employed violence during their spread. You cannot be trained to be a killer doctor, lawyer or businessman, you can be trained to be a doctor, lawyer or businessman and then be indoctrinated to be a killer. A killer needs a reason to kill, either he/she feels threatened or is made to see the other person as an enemy or threat. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:35am On Oct 25, 2017 |
4kings: Abeg we all what nothingness is . All these equivocations are unnecessary, intended to deceive . Anyway , here is what cosmologist Sean Carrol said : This kind of scenario is exactly what quantum cosmologists like James Hartle, Stephen Hawking, Alex Vilenkin, Andrei Linde and others have in mind when they are talking about the ‘creation of the universe from nothing.’ In this kind of picture, there is literally a moment in the history of the universe prior to which there weren’t any other moments. There is a boundary of time (presumably at the Big Bang), prior to which there was . . . nothing. No stuff, not even a quantum wave function; there was no prior thing, because there is no sensible notion of ‘prior. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 9:43am On Oct 25, 2017 |
wirinet: Smh Here are two things Involved. 1. Accept to be brainwashed ------ WITH WHAT? 2. reject being brainwashed ------- WITH WHAT? Techniques Hypnotism ---- still involves suggestive thought impartation (which is the recipient being taught what the hypnotist wants to see) Threats ------ threats are based on a persons view and preferred acceptable view which is ALREADY KNOWN. nobody is threatened over NOTHING. There is ALWAYS a foundation for a threat. Mantra ----- A word or sound repeated to aid concentration in meditation.( this means an already established thought process which is being imparted through REPETITION) rites and ceremonies ------ Are always based on an ALREADY known or ALREADY TAUGHT principle. Reward and punishment ----- Carrot and stick approach is simply a reward based on an intended action or a denial of reward based on a rejection of an intended action. All are TEACHING INDUCED! When a killer is made to see another as a threat In order to make him or her a killer is that not SUGGESTIVE THOUGHT OR IDEAS? is that not TEACHING? is that not found in INDOCTRINATION and DOC which means TO TEACH? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by 4kings: 9:59am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I read speculations(or hypotheses). Don't get me wrong i'm also open to the possibility of indeterministic nature of quantum mechanics which can give rise to something from nothing based on what i've read so far concerning quantum fluctuations but this is still an area with no universally accepted answer just speculations(but important however). Some try to isolate virtual particles as properties not event to buttress on causality, some see the possibility of Heisenberg Uncertainty principle absolutely applying here, Michio Kaku is talking about the application of String Theory, but still this is an area of scientific ignorance(i'm not sure there is a generally acceptable theory at the moment). Afterall even Isaac Newton made a wrong speculations based on what he could observe back then. Maybe Teempakguy Cloudgoddess Johnydon22 and JackBizzle can share more insight. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:04am On Oct 25, 2017 |
4kings: Who said that you can get something from nothing due to the 'indeterministic' nature of quantum mechanics ? And please when I mean nothing I dont mean the redefinition of nothing in science , I mean absolute nothingness . |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Nobody: 10:07am On Oct 25, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:WHAT?! "A footballer is not a person. A footballer is a position occupied by a person. Skills acquired through hardwork and training made him or her a footballer and they were not born one. Saying a footballer is a person is the height of tomfoolery". Your stupidity is a pestilence. Allowing dunces like you to reproduce would be catastrophic for the future of humanity. Mr Butterfly should be given the award of the Nairaland Idiot of the Year for having monkey excreta as a substitute for a brain. You're extremely retardded. A Medical Doctor is a PERSON who has been trained in medical science, whose job is to treat people who are ill/sick or injured. Where is "TEACHING" included, since you insist that any word that has "DOC" in it must involve "teaching"? That the meaning of a word cannever change and must always have a relationship with its ROOTS? You need to go back to your "Comprehensive High School of Idiots" to receive your certificate of stupidity, so that we will know that you're now a certified moron_. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 10:07am On Oct 25, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Will you stop telling lies. I posted their comments here for all to see. All of them were against childhood indoctrination. You thought we won't go there and actually read what they wrote? Indoctrination is in all shades and colours. Sometimes it is subtle and sometimes it is bold. As long as IDEAS, KNOWLEDGE, OPINIONS are being shared from a higher source to a lower recipient indoctrination is in process. Lies. Many typea of Knowledge and ideas are always shared without any indoctrination. You say you aren't an evolutionist but if I ask you if you are a creationist you would say you are not but yet are skeptical of a creator God as depicted in the Bible but does your skepticism of Yahweh mean the creation did not occur since its only Yahweh you are agnostic to? You can only confuse yourself. I do not believe in creationism and evolution because they both luck evidence to support them period. Period. How many scientific claims have you personally verified in a lab? Diffusion and Osmosis Effectivemeds of anti bacteria soaps Pollination Light Static electricity Voltage regulation using diode Electical resistance Sound Evaporation and it's effects These were some of the science experiments that were carried out in my secondary school with results that I was able to verify by myself. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by 4kings: 10:15am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Hmm "redefinition", that's what i observed also in Lawrence Krauss' explanations. Anyway this is where i say I DONT KNOW, absolute nothingness does not conform with any scientific explanation that i've seen so far. There was a debate about "Existence of Nothing" hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson; Lawrence Krauss, Jim Holt, Prof Eva of standford and 1 or 2 others were in the panel, but no explanation of "absolute nothingness" was pointed out, except "redefinition" like you put it. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by JackBizzle: 10:16am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Ogbeni. Lets open the thread |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 10:16am On Oct 25, 2017 |
ToVictoriaZ: When people like you see A you call it B and when you are corrected you resort to insults as a last line of defence with the assumption that it would make you look more intelligent when in reality you are not. From your own post A Medical Doctor is a PERSON who has been trained in medical science, whose job is to treat people who are ill/sick or injured. The focus is not on THE PERSON but WHO HAS BEEN TRAINED IN MEDICAL SCIENCE in the comment shows what has MADE THAT PERSON a doctor. Training is not jogging and is not swimming for a doctor, even jogging and swimming are taught. For a doctor his training is in ACADEMIC KNOWLEDGE which IS TAUGHT EITHER PRACTICALLY OR THEORETICALLY. if you still wish to display further ignorance after this then knock yourself out. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 10:19am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Yes religion has none. I said science remains the only thing that has truth that are objectively verified and universally accepted by anybody that looks into it. Religion has NONSENSE of that. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by JackBizzle: 10:19am On Oct 25, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: You sabi remix |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by ifenes(m): 10:21am On Oct 25, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: Teaching people what to think. Giviing no options to question what is taught to them. Example.... You are a graduate of some University or related. You have been programmed in a certain way, you must believe in some Evolution, you will be called a failure if you do not accept or vomit what you have been taught in examination halls. You have no option to think for yourself in schools. Schools moulds you to think like others, no independently. If you have your own opinions, you will scrutinised. Question: what do you think of Charles Darwin ? 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 10:24am On Oct 25, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: How many atheist there through their comments agree with childhood indoctrination? So far you've only been able to post the comment of on while I've posted the comments of about 5 that totally disagree. Majority of the comments there totally disagree with indoctrination so why are you telling lies? |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 10:25am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 10:27am On Oct 25, 2017 |
JackBizzle: It's simply an English qualifier. Whenever you see a sentence like, A teacher is a person WHO......... The word WHO and the expressions that follow is what qualifies a teacher to be who he or she claims to be. A fireman is a person WHO... Definition of fireman 1 :a person who tends or feeds fires:stoker 2 :a member of a fire department :firefighter 3 :an enlisted man in the navy who works with engineering machinery 4 :a relief pitcher in baseball Every job or office has a QUALIFYING description. Nobody just becomes something without proof for it and the proof is what the word WHO uses to qualify them. lawyer noun a person who practises or studies law, especially (in the UK) a solicitor or a barrister or (in the US) an attorney. pilot noun a person who operates the flying controls of an aircraft. mechanic noun a skilled worker who repairs and maintains vehicle engines and other machinery. It's simple english 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:27am On Oct 25, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Of course you can . If you want to suffer another humiliation I promise to handle it over to you right on the first page . ![]() |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:28am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Hey .... richirich713 , its been long man , where have you been bro ![]() |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 10:29am On Oct 25, 2017 |
JackBizzle: How does anyone become a doctor? Answer this. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by JackBizzle: 10:29am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: This os going to be good. I will open the thread this evening |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:31am On Oct 25, 2017 |
Dalam0n: Science has been to buttress religious beliefs , history can also be used to buttress religious beliefs . What are you even saying ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by hopefulLandlord: 10:32am On Oct 25, 2017 |
ifenes: let me say this for the umpteenth time, Evolution has NOTHING to do with atheism, NOTHING! everything I'm taught in university I can go on my own journey to find out if its true or not, in fact I'm encouraged to do that in my field; doesn't sound like what indoctrinators would allow, does it? when it comes to religion however, are children told to go on their personal journey and question the tenets of their religion? BTW, you still haven't told us how atheism is being indoctrinated 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:32am On Oct 25, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Please make sure I'm online when you open it so that the first page won't be taken . I enjoy keeping to my promises . 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 10:34am On Oct 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: ![]() ![]() He never gets tired of his butt being whipped. He must be a submissive ![]() Always getting ass whupped excites him. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:35am On Oct 25, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Let me give an example . Bestiality is due to secular morality and it is legalized in secular countries . ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
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