hopefulLandlord:


you still haven't taken the cold shower and drank the coffee cuz you seem to be agreeing with my point while disagreeing cuz of where the point is coming from

The fact that its not been proven is why I said you should pay attention to the bolded text "CAN", Felix is the one claiming they "CAN NEVER" coexist, I'm not making a claim, Felix is

the word CAN simply shows possibility which is congruous with Kingebukasblog's, the theory you're talking about is a possibility not a claim

And i'm saying there's no possibility of them coexisting.

Ishilove:
A collision of stars and boom! life was formed.

Isn't that Evolution?

chemystery:


You believe your god has no god, therefore, your god is an atheist.
Going by your logic, your god therefore must have a god else there would be no him

This is an oxymoron at best.

analice107:

You are working on assumptions by using the expression 'IT COULD MEAN'. You are assuming that all God created was just too much for they to be all in one day and 6days of the week? The Bible says God created the entire world just by speaking them out, now (I believe words are tangible, altho we can't see them), if there were to appear as we speak them, do you know how much you'd speak into existence in just one day? I mean as a man right now. From when you wake from sleep till when you go back to sleep, do you know how many things you create with what you say? how much more God who had determined what shd be in a day and speaks them out?

Now, lets consider the seven days Sabbath of which we are told to rest as God rested, when should we rest if you believe its allegorical?

If you throw in the '1000 years is like a day in Gods eyes' here, how are we then going to observe the Sabbath?

I believe completely in the 24hrs a day creation because of the Sabbath rest.

I understand but God spending a long time to create does not actually limit his power . Billions of years it took the universe to evolve could be just a second from God's perspective . God has infinite time so why rush ?

God resting means to cease or stop creating . From the perspective I noted , we are currently on the Seventh day . The Seventh day from whence God stopped creating even till this very day .

analice107:

And i'm saying there's no possibility of them coexisting.

can you explain why you're so sure they can't coexist?

I for one can tell you how it can so I will

A creator created the first lifeforms and put laws in place for those lifeforms to evolve into what we see today and these lifeforms are still evolving

I've in one sentence shown how both can coexist, so pray tell how the above statement is definitely false and not possible, the ball is in your court!

chemystery:

You believe your god has no god, therefore, your god is an atheist.
Going by your logic, your god therefore must have a god else there would be no him

Actually that statement means that God is a necessary being and without Him everything including the atheists wouldn't have existed .

Deification is a man-made concept . You just committed the anthropocentric fallacy .

hopefulLandlord:


can you explain why you're so sure they can't coexist?

I for one can tell you how it can so I will

A creator created the first lifeforms and put laws in place for those lifeforms to evolve into what we see today and these lifeforms are still evolving

I've in one sentence shown how both can coexist, so pray tell how the above statement is definitely false and not possible, the ball is in your court!

I don't believe in both.

Ericsunday619:
I don't believe in both.

I don't believe in the Christian version of creationism and I don't know enough of evolution to either reject or accept it

hopefulLandlord:

I don't know, that's the honest thing about my stand, I'm willing to tell people I'm ignorant of certain things while people like you simply call that ignorance god aka god of the gaps

You don't know, but you won't stop haggling me about what i know?
Now, take a warm shower, take some cocoa drink and think about your 'I don't know how life began' and leave me alone to serve my God.

I'm sure God exist and He manifested Himself In Christ. I believe God exists becos what is written in the Bible Long ago is happening right before my eyes today. I believe God exists becos what i couldn't do by myself before, i can now do with the help of the Holy Spirit.

Look around you and see the collapse in the World's systems. people's hearts are failing for fear of what might happen. See the increase in evil. Homosexuals, men having sex with animals, just imagine.

Alexander the Great wasn't a believer in YHWH, King Cyrus of Persia wasn't a Believer in YHWH, but these men where prophesied by YHWH to be born and did exactly as it was prophesied about them.

Before Alex was born, Daniel foretold how he'll rule the entire world so quickly and easily and disappear as quickly as he came. It was foretold how his kingdom will be divided into 4, did it? Yes it did.


The dream a Heathen Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar had, has been fulfilling step by step, and now is still on going. The United Nations and it's final collapse will be the last stage of that prophesy.

Prophet Ezekiel's prophecy is right now about to be fulfilled as we watch. Before now, single nations turn against the nation of Israel, but now, all other Nations shall join and all shall queue behind Russia to move against Israel with the hope of crushing them, but watch what will happen.

It's brewing, tables will turn until the Islamic leaders will rouse everyone with power against Israel, then that prophecy shall be fulfilled.


I know my God exist, and i know you know he does exist, but you just hate Him.

Oh wait!!!!, you don't, the demons in you do.

hopefulLandlord:

I don't believe in the Christian version of creationism and I don't know enough of evolution to either reject or accept it

meaning you are agnostic toward evolution

hopefulLandlord:

I don't know, that's the honest thing about my stand, I'm willing to tell people I'm ignorant of certain things while people like you simply call that ignorance god aka god of the gaps

'God of the gaps' term is a theistic one used for majorly for teleological arguments . But a quick scrutiny of this god of the gaps accusation will reveal that it is needless and unnecessary .

We conclude that it is God aka intelligent source because of the nature of what we have observed . The same way you'd conclude that a writing or drawing on the wall could only be from an intelligent source or mind because we know and understand from our experiences that writings and drawings can only come from an intelligence source without observing first-hand what made it .

hopefulLandlord:


can you explain why you're so sure they can't coexist?

I for one can tell you how it can so I will

A creator created the first lifeforms and put laws in place for those lifeforms to evolve into what we see today and these lifeforms are still evolving

I've in one sentence shown how both can coexist, so pray tell how the above statement is definitely false and not possible, the ball is in your court!

No you didn't.

1. You don't believe in a creator/Uncaused, first Cause/infinite/ God. Except you want to tell me you now believe.

And, if you believe in the Uncaused first Cause/God, then you should believe in the way He said He created the World.

He said He created male and female of all creatures first (First Caused) then commanded them to reproduce according to their kinds and fill the earth. He did not command them to evolve from something else to another thing. Hence, you can never see an Ape evolving to a Chimpanzee or Orangutan, or Baboon. These are all mongrels, but all in their classes and reproduces accordingly.

Look at the Oceans, how many specie of fish and Amphibians and other Sea creatures do we see? they reproduce according to their kinds, animals, births humans they reproduce according to their very kinds as YHWH said it.

So, no, they can not Co-exist.

analice107:

Isn't that Evolution?

My sister, o ya mi l'enu

analice107:

You don't know, but you won't stop haggling me about what i know?

what you claim to know but when asked how, you'll say you know by "faith"
faith is not knowledge, period!

Now, take a warm shower, take some cocoa drink and think about your 'I don't know how life began' and leave me alone to serve my God.

I didn't even disturb you, you were the one that joined the discussion so I have no idea what you mean by this, or did you see me lock your church? or come to your house and force you not to believe?

I'm sure God exist and He manifested Himself In Christ. I believe God exists becos what is written in the Bible Long ago is happening right before my eyes today. I believe God exists becos what i couldn't do by myself before, i can now do with the help of the Holy Spirit.

actually you're not sure Yahweh exists, you believe he does by "faith"

Faith is believing something in absence of evidence or in spite of evidence to the contrary

Look around you and see the collapse in the World's systems. people's hearts are failing for fear of what might happen. See the increase in evil. Homosexuals, men having sex with animals, just imagine.

there's NOTHING happening now that hasn't been happening aeons ago, homosexuality is as old as man, bestiality is also as old as man, read your Bible and think for once, why is did your Yahweh condemn both homosexuality and bestiality in the Bible if its just happening now?

Do you have any statistics to show that evil is increasing?

[quite]

Alexander the Great wasn't a believer in YHWH, King Cyrus of Persia wasn't a Believer in YHWH, but these men where prophesied by YHWH to be born and did exactly as it was prophesied about them.

Before Alex was born, Daniel foretold how he'll rule the entire world so quickly and easily and disappear as quickly as he came. It was foretold how his kingdom will be divided into 4, did it? Yes it did.


The dream a Heathen Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar had, has been fulfilling step by step, and now is still on going. The United Nations and it's final collapse will be the last stage of that prophesy.

Prophet Ezekiel's prophecy is right now about to be fulfilled as we watch. Before now, single nations turn against the nation of Israel, but now, all other Nations shall join and all shall queue behind Russia to move against Israel with the hope of crushing them, but watch what will happen.

It's brewing, tables will turn until the Islamic leaders will rouse everyone with power against Israel, then that prophecy shall be fulfilled.[/quote]

all these are just preaching to the choir babe

I know my God exist, and i know you know he does exist, but you just hate Him.

Oh wait!!!!, you don't, the demons in you do.

you don't know your god exists, you believe he does by faith, simple, stop conflating faith and knowledge

KingEbukasBlog:


Its like a hybridization of evolution and creationism .God created primordial ancestors of all living things and allowed evolution for diversification . That's why we have diseases and all of that as mere spin offs of the evolutionary process not God's direct doing . But of course its just a theory on its own and there are other compelling reasons too .

So you meant to say that God kept making mistakes until He eventually created Man?

hopefulLandlord:


Your god does not exist

Can you imagine how you sound?

analice107:

No you didn't.

1. You don't believe in a creator/Uncaused, first Cause/infinite/ God. Except you want to tell me you now believe.

And, if you believe in the Uncaused first Cause/God, then you should believe in the way He said He created the World.

He said He created male and female of all creatures first (First Caused) then commanded them to reproduce according to their kinds and fill the earth. He did not command them to evolve from something else to another thing. Hence, you can never see an Ape evolving to a Chimpanzee or Orangutan, or Baboon. These are all mongrels, but all in their classes and reproduces accordingly.

Look at the Oceans, how many specie of fish and Amphibians and other Sea creatures do we see? they reproduce according to their kinds, animals, births humans they reproduce according to their very kinds as YHWH said it.

So, no, they can not Co-exist.

Your problem is now very obvious to me and the readers

you're of the opinion that if a creator exists, then that creator is definitely Yahweh and if its Yahweh then evolution is false; if evolution is true, then the creation story in the bible is false

I do agree with that but your mistake is that you've made a jump from "creator" straight to "Yahweh" which is actually the source of your confusion

when I use the word "Creator" I'm not referring to your imaginary friend at all, I'm using the word as a general term or let me say a generic/deist god; if creator is that, then evolution is still compatible with creationism

KingEbukasBlog:


I understand but God spending a long time to create does not actually limit his power . Billions of years it took the universe to evolve could be just a second from God's perspective . God has infinite time so why rush ?

God resting means to cease or stop creating . From the perspective I noted , we are currently on the Seventh day . The Seventh day from whence God stopped creating even till this very day .

Hmmmmm. You are drifting. So, you mean what God said, Six days you shall work but seven days you shall rest, means something totally different from what it says? What God means there is six days of physical farm work or any kind of exerting labour.

Pls get this. When you talk about these things, separate them from God's being and His realm. In His realm, there's no Time, hence it takes Him no time to create, so you can't begin to talk about whether or not it took God a long time to create.
And, note, He mere spoke words effortlessly just like we do and these things came to be, the only thing he actually formed asin, physically manipulating material anything was Man from clay, every other thing was spoken.

He stepped into our realm, the realm of the material/physical/Time to create these things for Man, not for Himself, so when he tells you this is what and how He did it, you believe Him, instead of second guessing Him.

You explanation of Sabbath no enter. six days work/labour, seven days rest is as clear as that.

hopefulLandlord:


I'm agnostic to a creator

Yeah right.

OLAADEGBU:


Yeah right.

in case you're wondering why I'm not responding to you, its because you've not said a single thing worth responding to, I come to your thread to have discussions with others cuz all you do is throw childish strawman memes accompanied with one sentence posts

hopefulLandlord:


Your problem is now very obvious to me and the readers

you're of the opinion that if a creator exists, then that creator is definitely Yahweh and if its Yahweh then evolution is false; if evolution is true, then the creation story in the bible is false

I do agree with that but your mistake is that you've made a jump from "creator" straight to "Yahweh" which is actually the source of your confusion

when I use the word "Creator" I'm not referring to your imaginary friend at all, I'm using the word as a general term or let me say a generic/deist god; if creator is that, then evolution is still compatible with creationism

Okay, i get you now. There's a creator, but His name is not YHWH. But you see, every creator has a name, what is this creator you are talking about. pls lets rest this matter once and for all.

Who is your creator?

KingEbukasBlog:


Yeah , it is . Not yet . The thing is , can we ever know how God did it?

"By the Word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth…For He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast" (Psalms 33:6-9).

If you read the book of nature with God's spectacles you will "know how God did it."

analice107:

Okay, i get you now. There's a creator, but His name is not YHWH. But you see, every creator has a name, what is this creator you are talking about. pls lets rest this matter once and for all.

Who is your creator?

you still don't get it, do you?

refer to the beginning of this thread when I said Creationism and Evolution aren't mutually exclusive, that's what this discussion is about and I've proven they're not mutually exclusive

I never said "There's a creator" I've only been saying that evolution can be true even if a creator exists, evolution does not deny or accept a creator

I'm agnostic to a creator, I've always said that and I even did on this very thread

KingEbukasBlog:


No no no . Don't get me wrong . There is no certitude with the way God created the world and how he created it . For example take a look at morning and evening in Hebrew , it could mean very long periods of time not literal 24-hour days . Another example is to view the creation story from an allegorical perspective - it has some deeper meanings about God and the relationship with the universe and man and this was conveyed with the creation story .

Then you have no right to preach a literal Christ to an unbelieving world.

analice107:


You are working on assumptions by using the expression 'IT COULD MEAN'. You are assuming that all God created was just too much for they to be all in one day and 6days of the week? The Bible says God created the entire world just by speaking them out, now (I believe words are tangible, altho we can't see them), if there were to appear as we speak them, do you know how much you'd speak into existence in just one day? I mean as a man right now. From when you wake from sleep till when you go back to sleep, do you know how many things you create with what you say? how much more God who had determined what shd be in a day and speaks them out?

Now, lets consider the seven days Sabbath of which we are told to rest as God rested, when should we rest if you believe its allegorical?

If you throw in the '1000 years is like a day in Gods eyes' here, how are we then going to observe the Sabbath?

I believe completely in the 24hrs a day creation because of the Sabbath rest.

The Pope certainly agrees with KingEbukasBlog.

One's only reason for visiting nairaland religion section should be to mock and troll these FOOLS to hell. They're so dense and dumb there's no point in having any debates. All as immune to rational stimulation as lumps of rock.

Nairaland has better sections where one can have interesting discussions. I think it's hightime these block-headed fvctards and dunderheads are left to their cretinism and clownish ways.

hopefulLandlord:


in case you're wondering why I'm not responding to you, its because you've not said a single thing worth responding to, I come to your thread to have discussions with others cuz all you do is throw childish strawman memes accompanied with one sentence posts

You don't respond because you have no argument.

OLAADEGBU:


You don't respond because you have no argument.

No, dummy, you and your fellow fish-brains are the ones with no arguments.

ZandhaZaraZ:


"The Christian argument isn't about intelligent design, objective morality or the existence of God. It's about love for slavery, submissiveness, dementia, docility, retardation, stupidity, imbecility, bondage, psychological torture and sadomasochism."

I can play this game better than you, dolt. Let's go, Christardee.

ToVictoriaZ:


One's only reason for visiting nairaland religion section should be to mock and troll these FOOLS to hell. They're so dense and dumb there's no point in having any debates. All as immune to rational stimulation as lumps of rock.

Nairaland has better sections where one can have interesting discussions. I think it's hightime these block-headed fvctards and dunderheads are left to their cretinism and clownish ways.

Cc Olaadegbu

*Runs out of thread

hopefulLandlord:


Your problem is now very obvious to me and the readers

you're of the opinion that if a creator exists, then that creator is definitely Yahweh and if its Yahweh then evolution is false; if evolution is true, then the creation story in the bible is false

I do agree with that but your mistake is that you've made a jump from "creator" straight to "Yahweh" which is actually the source of your confusion

when I use the word "Creator" I'm not referring to your imaginary friend at all, I'm using the word as a general term or let me say a generic/deist god; if creator is that, then evolution is still compatible with creationism

I hope i'm not wrong but i think we have the same beliefs.I dont believe in god or the supernatural and i believe that even if there is god then he must be a very wicked,heartless,muderous and imperfect being who is not even different from the dictators or evil kings we see in films that forces people to worship them or they would be given a crazy punishment and the only difference is that god's punishment is eternal.Should i still be considered to be an atheist?

hopefulLandlord:


Your problem is now very obvious to me and the readers

you're of the opinion that if a creator exists, then that creator is definitely Yahweh and if its Yahweh then evolution is false; if evolution is true, then the creation story in the bible is false

I do agree with that but your mistake is that you've made a jump from "creator" straight to "Yahweh" which is actually the source of your confusion

when I use the word "Creator" I'm not referring to your imaginary friend at all, I'm using the word as a general term or let me say a generic/deist god; if creator is that, then evolution is still compatible with creationism

When you're playing CHESS with stupid Abrahamists [Christians, Muslims or Jews] and they start trying to make their religious deity the KING [creator], just follow their MOVES by switching to deism, and....... CHECKMATE, bruh!

KingEbukasBlog:


I understand but God spending a long time to create does not actually limit his power . Billions of years it took the universe to evolve could be just a second from God's perspective . God has infinite time so why rush ?

God resting means to cease or stop creating . From the perspective I noted , we are currently on the Seventh day . The Seventh day from whence God stopped creating even till this very day .

The moment you guys begin to take the Bible literally would be the time you will stop swallowing all the atheistic theories trying to merge them to the Bible. Lets see what the Bible says:

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them" (Genesis 2:1).

It is true there is no "creation" on going today. It is "finished" just as the Bible states and that is exactly what the First Law of Thermodynamics says.