forgiveness:


Which kind question be these? Do you know why? Tell me make I hear.

Joebie:
Tammy process go be like Aina things.
Yes we need to focus on those two games.. And we will have another exciting round of discussions here.

Joebie:
People actually did na.. if you mean during the WCQs

Modified
I clamored for Enyema when Ikeme was comfortable between the sticks, and some people said we should leave Enyeama alone..
I clamored for Emenike at a point in time.
i think I almost made a case for Obasi if I can still remember. I argued that Osaze was not finished after all (that's wasn't clamoring).

Truth is after we qualified, I never cared about any of them.. but why una dey bring the matter sef.? if una bring the matter, I go talk, and I will remain objective.

forgiveness:


Martins.

Mujtahida:

I saw Yak fresh biceps I was like wow Rohr needs this to add muscle to our attack

Joebie:
na modeling e wan do with our new kit.. that's all lol

komekn:


How old is the best current RB in the world Danny Alves

How old is the best left winger in the world arguably Arjen Robben

How old is the best player in the world Christiano Ronaldo Actually he is months younger than Obagoal.

How old is England's second most prolific striker currently Jermain Defoe is almost two years older than Obagoal.

Patrice Evra still plays as a RB for Marseille and has probably almost all thier games this season. We could add Bacary Sauna all still very much in consideration within the French National team. They are all over 34.

Some one made the irrelevant proposition about team dynamics and cohesion in the context of relationships. It's an issue but of little negligible impact and significance in the modern game. Players are there to be professional and not necessarily make friends.

The pertinent question is Martins better than the players who are in consideration Is the sacred one KC (for some on this forum) better than Obagoal.

Imagine Obagoal in Leicester would he do better Or imagine him playing in the Belgium league or the Eredivisie how good would he be currently. We aren not talking past glories but current, present and continous.

So let's bin the negative presumptions and objectively ask the question, particularly compared to players that are only have potential and may never ever get to the levels of Obagoal.

Then idea that he has done his bit to me is without any productive substance. What is his bit

Kog45:
Oh boy na Kayode sure past

safarigirl:
I think Rohr should find a way to play Nacho as a SS against Argentina.

My line-up against Algeria would be


Ezenwa

Shehu(Ebuehi @ 70 mins)....Awaziem...Balogun...Echiejile (Aina @ 80 mins)

Ndidi...Mikel (Iwobi @ 60 mins)....Onazi

S. Moses....Ighalo.... Kayode (if invited)



Against Argentina

Ezenwa (Uzoho @ 70 mins if invited)

Shehu....Ekong...Balogun.... Aina

Ndidi(Agu @ 75 mins)...Mikel(Iwobi @ 65mins)....Onazi (Ogu @ 80 mins)....V. Moses

Ighalo(Kayode @ 60 mins)...Kelechi


Thoughts?

soetanoreoluwa:


Not during before the group stage...

Yes I remember you did... Enyeama case is different

Emenike case also different... He retired voluntarily
Osaze.. That one I remember you really lay alot of emphasis on his recall during the WC qualifiers... You know the reason cos he was performing in Indonesia league... And that's the last time we heard from him...


I dunno why dem dey bring am o....

Tank God we no be coach Rohr... If Rohr feels They are good enough with derailing hispurpose and plan for the SE... He should extend his invite to them... Shikkenah

komekn:


This is what I like prove your pedigree and quality in your club. Argument no deh, QUALITY IS QUALITY even if you are blind and you can't see it you should smell it.

I'm tired of all these youth players who have done nothing in thier leagues and or in thier clubs of which the league and club quality is questionable and suspect. Being pushed as SE material. Senior football is not youth football first provide evidence by playing and claiming position in your club. No excuse

komekn:


I remember watching James Brown at the age of 70 dancing and disgracing teenagers.

How old was Taribo West playing right back for Inter without literally missing a game for two seasons.

safarigirl:
seen him, not excited about him.

He won't be gatecrashing the team to Russia, that's certain, but if he has something awesome to offer, we'll see after the World Cup

Humility017:

how is Martins better than kayode, nacho and ighalo....
can't you guys get it...
he is no way better than those we already have....

junnyjake:
Here's what I'd say about this trending topic on Martins.


I believe in tactics and systems. If Rorh is considering some tactics for the WC and he thinks Martins out of the others would fit into his style perfectly he'd invite him and there's nothing y'all can do about it.

I doubt, this would ever be the case because if it was he'd have at least been considered even if it was to make the standby list.

So, I think this transcends Present form, Past glory, Quality of league and stats.

Mujtahida:

I am not talking age. His bit his whatever he did from his debut till his last match. He's now history. Martins is not the best CF in the World. Let's rest this issue.

komekn:


Are they better than Obagoal

My view is invite them to camp play a friendly let the best man come in, NO SHAKIN

Icon4s:


Are you saying after the series of qualifiers thus far you can't tell the strength or weakness of the team?

Now, don't get me wrong I am not saying the Grade A friendlies are not necessary. Yes they are going to test the team in the different departments.

Rohr knows the strengths and weaknesses of the team and has been working on them all through the qualifiers. But saying we should wait to play Argentina before we know the strength and weakness is not the case. What if we lose 4-0 are we going to disband the whole team and begin afresh?

Besides after this window the next one is in March and we have to play AFCON qualifiers against Seychelles and we may just manage to squeeze in another friendly. And then the next window is for WC preparations/camping. So if you bank only on grade A friendlies , there is no much space for those.

Seychelles is not a grade A opposition but it can also be used for build up for the WC. All games are important, not only the grade A friendlies. That is my point.

kennysville:



You know it as much as I do. You just being sentimental. I have no business with Success Isaac. Why? This is a case of stupidity on his part. Not role model. Whoever told you that sob story of mikel being the role model has you for a sap. Is it not the same Mikel? Lets not even go there

Icon4s:


Let's see him on that stage first and then assess him. So until then.....

komekn:


You deviate from the substance of this discourse with a your question, which really is sour grapes.

Are any of these remotely, Ighalo, KC, Kayode anywhere near the tag best striker in the world.

So then why use it with regards to Obagoal. The simple question is are the better than him as it stands.

That's why I said consider the ability and experiential know how of Obagoal and put him in Girona or Leicester what do you think the outcome would be

We really don't know the true quality Of Obagoal until tested. Put any of these players in his Chinese team and would they excel

So to write Obagoal off is grossly unfair and certainly not in the interest of the national team.

safarigirl:
if you must know. It is not the same Mikel

Who did Ndidi look up to while growing up? Mikel

Who was one of the influences that made Aina switch to Nigeria? Mikel

Who also influenced Leon? Mikel


Nobody even remembers that your Martins played for the Super Eagles, that is how irrelevant he is to this set of players.

And the Mikel you know would not have bailed out the team in Brazil, he wouldn't have even been there, the Mikel you know would have bailed on the team with Enyeama and Emenike after that Musa debacle, that is the Mikel YOU know.....

However, the Mikel I know, the one who has learnt from age and experience and will certainly have more stories to tell these boys on how much one's behavior can shape their career is the ODOGWU, the leader cherished by team mates and fans. That is the Mikel that has influenced people and has transformed himself from a player we all seemed to loath to one we can't do without.

There are very few players who have the stories Mikel has and Martins is not one of them

Kog45:
My man travelling all around d globe doesn't make player richer.

We don't need to argue this coz their contract and endorsement are there for us to see,so need of trying to hype any player.

Pls tell me what make Martins richer than Mikel?

Kog45:
Pls go there,let hear your view on Mikel not being a role model?ask Haruna Lukman,Ola aina,Leon Balogun, Ndidi Winfred,Brown Ideye,Victor Moses,Ogenyi Onazi,Ighalo Odion,all have something to say on Mikel,forget all these sides talks.

A player dropped $35k to bail out his team,remain d only Nigeria player(both retired and active) to have done this and is not a role model.

He single handedly recommended Brown Ideye to Tiajin Teda

Vic Moses said Mikel told him to stop going on loan and fight for his place.

Ola Aina said Mikel approached him to play for Nigeria even before NFF

Haruna Lukman said Mikel is my role model.

Winfred Ndidi said he admired Mikel so much when he was growing up to d extent he made sure he watched most his matches

Leon Balogun said i admired Mikel a lot.

Mikel Agu said i picked d name Mikel coz of my love for Mikel

Odion Ighalo said Mikel is d key.

Ogenyi Onazi said respect to d boss.

Mikel just remind me of Big boss Stephen Keshi's days in d national team.

Icon4s:


Firstly, yes I played football in the generation when a number 10 meant Central Midfield position but I also know the number 10 position has undergone a transformation to mean playing behind a striker in a 4-5-1, or 4-2-3-1 or any other variant of 4-5-1. Football is dynamic, we recognise that and we have moved with it.

You don't need to be a great dribbler to play a modern number 10. Now, what is very important here is the system the team plays. For a team like Arsenal, Man city or Nigeria that thrive on possession football it is very important for a number 10 to be a very good ball passer and a creative player. His linkup play must be top notch. Dele Alli kind of number 10 fits into the way spurs plays. He will not thrive as a number 10 in a team like Arsenal, Wenger will play him as wings forward instead. Look at Ozil and Iwobi they are great ball passers.

Most national teams play possession football so most number 10 of national teams must be good passers and distributors

Once again you cannot compare the abilities of Dele with those of Etebo.

Etebo has only performed well as an AM at U23 level.
His best performances for the Super Eagles have been in the CM position.

That is why I earlier stated that at this level(I mean senior level) for the Super Eagles and the way Nigeria plays Etebo cannot be our number 10 where great ball passers like Mikel and Iwobi are in the team.

Even look at Etebo's performance against SA. The midfield was cut off completely from the attack due to Etebo's lack of creativity.

safarigirl:
I think Rohr should find a way to play Nacho as a SS against Argentina.

My line-up against Algeria would be


Ezenwa

Shehu(Ebuehi @ 70 mins)....Awaziem...Balogun...Echiejile (Aina @ 80 mins)

Ndidi...Mikel (Iwobi @ 60 mins)....Onazi

S. Moses....Ighalo.... Kayode (if invited)



Against Argentina

Ezenwa (Uzoho @ 70 mins if invited)

Shehu....Ekong...Balogun.... Aina

Ndidi(Agu @ 75 mins)...Mikel(Iwobi @ 65mins)....Onazi (Ogu @ 80 mins)....V. Moses

Ighalo(Kayode @ 60 mins)...Kelechi


Thoughts?

komekn:


You deviate from the substance of this discourse with a your question, which really is sour grapes.

Are any of these remotely, Ighalo, KC, Kayode anywhere near the tag best striker in the world.

So then why use it with regards to Obagoal. The simple question is are the better than him as it stands.

That's why I said consider the ability and experiential know how of Obagoal and put him in Girona or Leicester what do you think the outcome would be

We really don't know the true quality Of Obagoal until tested. Put any of these players in his Chinese team and would they excel

So to write Obagoal off is grossly unfair and certainly not in the interest of the national team.

Joebie:
lol as regards Osaze my argument was that he was not finished like many of you people wanted it to seem. Arguing for his recall? I DIDN'T

safarigirl:
name names so that we will know who and who you are talking about that have not done anything

Joebie:
No we don't disband the team, but we work on our lapses. What top European oppositions may bring could expose other areas we did not see during the qualifiers, and it could expose some players as well -- those we became comfortable with.

Questions. For Example, if Ezenwa lets in a number of goals cheaply, will many of us not call for his head? I'm not even settled about Ezenwa. But that was just an example.

Icon4s:


Now you are beginning to get my point.

I tell you that if Nigeria should lose to that Argentine by as much as 3 -4 goals most fans here would clamor for the disbandment of the team. That's how Nigerian fans have always been.

I am also expecting Nigeria to be on the back foot especially the early part of the game. How we handle the first 20mins would be crucial.
The friendly will really stretch our team and thank God Argentina are coming with a full squad.
No shame if we lose to them but we must not be easily shoved away. I am not tipping Nigeria to win but the boys should play with a winning mentality.

I also agree about Ezenwa. I see him as a goalie that can easily chop up to 4 goals when we face a team like Argentina if the team should have a bad day in office. I said something like about Ezenwa easily conceding 4 goals before that defeat 4-1 to Ghana at the WAFU tournament. But after it happened as usual Ezenwa's faithful came for his defense.

Goalies have their bad days once in a while. But I am not completely sold out on Ezenwa. The only positive I get from him is his level of composer. But some times he over does it. Just look at that penalty we conceded against Cameroon.