korlahwarleh:
Good evening. I'm quite new here and I've been following for some time.
Please I want to ask, is experience not needed for qualifiers?
Because with the vast "experience" people someone like Martins had/has, I did not see people clamouring for his recall during the qualifiers, or did he just gather these "experience" after we qualified?
Also, I remember that when we won AFCON, we did not make use of Martins' experience. So why make it look as if the team is weak and vulnerable because they're not employing Martins' "experience"?
Another question is this: Are all the coaches in premiership, la liga, French League, Bundesliga e. t. c blind? Why haven't they noticed Martins' "experience" or they do not want "experienced players in their squad?
Please tell me, will Martins listen to Mikel both on and off the pitch? Will Martins see Mikel and Onazi as his senior in the team?
Lastly, all these talks of "we don't have a team yet", "are these the guys we're taking to Russia?" e. t. c
Please this is national team football not club football where you shop for the best. The current team is at least close to the best or even the best the country can produce. it's not as if we have four players in Real Madrid, 3 in Barcelona's first eleven, and 2 in Man U and Bayern respectively that we're not inviting. I don't think we can do more than this. Maybe we should wait till when we can begin to buy and sell players also in national team football. I bet it with you that even when that time comes, the Ronaldos, Messis and the good players of this world will. e playing for countries like Qatar, UAE, and China. (You should know why). So, the best we can do is to support the current team. Please let's allow Martin's to enjoy his pension in peace. I just want to belief that neither Martins nor his Family members/Agent is behind any of these pro-Martins monikers

Thanks

Point of correction, if Martins comes back, why should he look at Onazi as his senior?! Haba Martins made his debut almost 13years ago, Onazi just started recently. You can say he will have to accept that Onazi is the vice captain but it ends there, Onazi should look upon Martins as the elder not the other way round, same goes for Mikel.



You should go through the older pages, I started advocating for these guys before the SA game, Forgiveness has been saying it since I entered this thread, Komekn has been hammering it since he entered the thread so we didn't start today

I be prophet? That's why stats is good. It reduces the time of experimentation. Else we should try the homebased players too. I promise you if we camped 500 homebased players, we will find one jewel. But why waste the time and energy just to find one jewel, when you could have done that in a considerable shorter time with 50 players in Europe (for example) with better stats.

Mickael2:



Simple, so how do we know the ones that will hit the ground running? Sha don't start another argument abeg, until we finish the next international break

Martins sent me $1000 today, because he strongly believes that if we make noise here for his recall, Rohr will call him up

Modified
Who go like hammer like me? I don't want to chop alone o. That money up there is per week, so let's keep the pages coming.

korlahwarleh:
Good evening. I'm quite new here and I've been following for some time.
Please I want to ask, is experience not needed for qualifiers?
Because with the vast "experience" people someone like Martins had/has, I did not see people clamouring for his recall during the qualifiers, or did he just gather these "experience" after we qualified?
Also, I remember that when we won AFCON, we did not make use of Martins' experience. So why make it look as if the team is weak and vulnerable because they're not employing Martins' "experience"?
Another question is this: Are all the coaches in premiership, la liga, French League, Bundesliga e. t. c blind? Why haven't they noticed Martins' "experience" or they do not want "experienced players in their squad?
Please tell me, will Martins listen to Mikel both on and off the pitch? Will Martins see Mikel and Onazi as his senior in the team?
Lastly, all these talks of "we don't have a team yet", "are these the guys we're taking to Russia?" e. t. c
Please this is national team football not club football where you shop for the best. The current team is at least close to the best or even the best the country can produce. it's not as if we have four players in Real Madrid, 3 in Barcelona's first eleven, and 2 in Man U and Bayern respectively that we're not inviting. I don't think we can do more than this. Maybe we should wait till when we can begin to buy and sell players also in national team football. I bet it with you that even when that time comes, the Ronaldos, Messis and the good players of this world will. e playing for countries like Qatar, UAE, and China. (You should know why). So, the best we can do is to support the current team. Please let's allow Martin's to enjoy his pension in peace. I just want to belief that neither Martins nor his Family members/Agent is behind any of these pro-Martins monikers

Thanks

Kog45:
Honestly i don't want to say much on this coz am not FORBES but i want to tell u starting football early does not determine richness.



Martins earned peanuts at Inter but started earning his mega buck when he move to England which is not upto 40k even in MLS,Spain,Germany,Russian,he didn't earn close to 70k.

On tax I want to tell u there is no European countries u go to u pay heavily for tax or d u want to talk of Spain tax even Germany.

If I may ask u,if UK tax is unfriendly do u think players w be going there for mega pay,though a lot might castigate d league but when it comes to pay pls forget it,EPL is number 1.

Mind u Mikel spent close to 11 years at Chelsea with his last contract earning close to 85k.

Do u know what pushed Martins out MLS,it was MLS salary cap.

In China Martins is on weekly £100k while Mikel £150k even Ighalo £190k

Thanks,u have said it,u are looking at his flamboyant life

It's like saying Emma Adebayour is richer than Drogba coz he always display his wealth for everyone to see.

I don't know know how true it is that Mikel left Chelsea with £2m package for his longevity.

Well,both Mikel and Martins are rich and as i said am not Forbes to tell u d richest.

When Sneider wanted to join ManUtd from Inter, that deal didn't materialise because of his wages and how much would be going into tax.

The pay packages in England is better than other countries. Granted!

You can't compare the tax policies in England to other countries.

Last time I checked was last year when Martins was getting £115, not close to Mikel's £160 in China. I think it's 40% in England. Not really sure.


I wish I can get their Net Worth to make comparisons.

Simon Moses is playing

Etebo too

Mickael2:



And who is the agent? And who is the player?


Oga Forgiveness and Komekn, please you guys should shelve this talk about Martins for now, I am totally sure that after the next two games we will understand why we need these guys, for now just like me, let's be watching.

I just tire ooooooo. Make I how they will react against Argentina.

korlahwarleh:
Good evening. I'm quite new here and I've been following for some time.
Please I want to ask, is experience not needed for qualifiers?
Because with the vast "experience" people someone like Martins had/has, I did not see people clamouring for his recall during the qualifiers, or did he just gather these "experience" after we qualified?
Also, I remember that when we won AFCON, we did not make use of Martins' experience. So why make it look as if the team is weak and vulnerable because they're not employing Martins' "experience"?
Another question is this: Are all the coaches in premiership, la liga, French League, Bundesliga e. t. c blind? Why haven't they noticed Martins' "experience" or they do not want "experienced players in their squad?
Please tell me, will Martins listen to Mikel both on and off the pitch? Will Martins see Mikel and Onazi as his senior in the team?
Lastly, all these talks of "we don't have a team yet", "are these the guys we're taking to Russia?" e. t. c
Please this is national team football not club football where you shop for the best. The current team is at least close to the best or even the best the country can produce. it's not as if we have four players in Real Madrid, 3 in Barcelona's first eleven, and 2 in Man U and Bayern respectively that we're not inviting. I don't think we can do more than this. Maybe we should wait till when we can begin to buy and sell players also in national team football. I bet it with you that even when that time comes, the Ronaldos, Messis and the good players of this world will. e playing for countries like Qatar, UAE, and China. (You should know why). So, the best we can do is to support the current team. Please let's allow Martin's to enjoy his pension in peace. I just want to belief that neither Martins nor his Family members/Agent is behind any of these pro-Martins monikers

Thanks

Walexy welcome on board and thanks for this gem filled intervention on this debate.
Meanwhile what's your brand?

Heyyyy Joebie bros, abeg knack am one cold green bottle. Make am two. The guy head balance.

emm sorry korlahwarleh Welcome on board! Your concerns have already been flogged here.. so no points arguing in circles.

wetin u dey drink that time?

Mujtahida:

Walexy welcome on board and thanks for this gem filled intervention on this debate.
Meanwhile what's your brand?

Heyyyy Joebie bros, abeg knack am one cold green bottle.

Mickael2:



Simple, so how do we know the ones that will hit the ground running? Sha don't start another argument abeg, until we finish the next international break

In terms of tactics you are very forward looking as in you embrace the future, manpower wise you embrace the past.

tbaba1234:


Regardless of the results, there is no present justification for inviting Martins.

He has one assist and zero goals since July.

There has to be strong justification for invitation.

How can someone who is out due to injury play not to talk of score or assist?

He was almost out for two months. He assisted just 5 days ago. Abeg, get your facts right before posting fallacious news. Abeg.

Kog45:
My man u are wrong,am referring to Krattos comment that said Obagoal is d richest,highly connected,,most powerful Nigeria player and a baller.

Likely u share similar view for to think am referring to u coz i had healthy arguments with u and we move on.

OK, then. Thanks.


If I hadn't come out as strongly as I did many would have mistakenly believe I had such insinuations.

oga Mickael2 and forgiveness, if we do well in the friendlies the better oh. If our youngsters come good, the better oh. I'd rather have the team keep waxing stronger in unity than for us to start getting worried as to who can add what. Because if Martins come and don't deliver, that na double headache o. Let's hope for the best.

forgiveness:


I just tire ooooooo. Make I how they will react against Argentina.

Mickael2:



Point of correction, if Martins comes back, why should he look at Onazi as his senior?! Haba Martins made his debut almost 13years ago, Onazi just started recently. You can say he will have to accept that Onazi is the vice captain but it ends there, Onazi should look upon Martins as the elder not the other way round, same goes for Mikel.

Yes I meant accepting that Onazi is the vice captain and by implication his leader in the team. Let me ask you, why is it that when a new IG of police is appointed, all serving officers that are his senior will automatically be "retired" by the government?. The reason is that glitches as it pertains to leadership in the system will be eradicated. No matter how humble you say Martins is, there's a limit to how much he can be controlled by Mikel and Onazi, albeit in a national team setting

You should go through the older pages, I started advocating for these guys before the SA game, Forgiveness has been saying it since I entered this thread, Komekn has been hammering it since he entered the thread so we didn't start today

So, if he was not invited from the time you started talking about him till now, and the present crop of players got the job done, what makes you think that they can't do the job ahead without him?

Mickael2:



that's right. But if they don't, which I think they won't, we get to rub it in

Hahahahahah!

forgiveness:


How can someone who is out due to injury play not to talk of score or assist?

He was almost out for two months. He assisted just 5 days ago. Abeg, get your facts right before posting fallacious news. Abeg.

Let him start scoring again.. Once he hits top form, i will support his invitation.

Captains don't control. Leadership is not about control. The military is a bad analogy.

korlahwarleh:


Yes I meant accepting that Onazi is the vice captain and by implication his leader in the team. Let me ask you, why is it that when a new IG of police is appointed, all serving officers that are his senior will automatically be "retired" by the government?. The reason is that glitches as it pertains to leadership in the system will be eradicated. No matter how humble you say Martins is, there's a limit to how much he can be controlled by Mikel and Onazi, albeit in a national team setting





So, if he was not invited from the time you started talking about him till now, and the present crop of players got the job done, what makes you think that they can't do the job ahead without him?

Joebie:
Captains don't control. Leadership is not about control. The military is a bad analogy.

Yeah I get that, but at least they give inspiration in some ways, don't they?

Joebie:
Captains don't control. Leadership is not about control. The military is a bad analogy.

Yeah I get that, but at least they give inspiration in some ways, don't they?

Deji Beyreuther is on the Bench for Bundesliga side Eintracht Frankfurt

One chilled caprisonne for u boss... Very very chilled

korlahwarleh:


Yes I meant accepting that Onazi is the vice captain and by implication his leader in the team. Let me ask you, why is it that when a new IG of police is appointed, all serving officers that are his senior will automatically be "retired" by the government?. The reason is that glitches as it pertains to leadership in the system will be eradicated. No matter how humble you say Martins is, there's a limit to how much he can be controlled by Mikel and Onazi, albeit in a national team setting





So, if he was not invited from the time you started talking about him till now, and the present crop of players got the job done, what makes you think that they can't do the job ahead without him?

It's the coach's job to manage the players. Every player look up to the captain during game time. It doesn't have to be so after game time. It's natural that some players will be inspired by the captain even off the pitch -- but it's hardly always the case that all players will.

korlahwarleh:

Yeah I get that, but at least they give inspiration in some ways, don't they?

BELGIUM: Jupiler League - Round 13

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Charleroi 1-0 Gent (HALF-TIME)

Moses Simon is on for Gent. Anderson Esiti and Samuel Kalu missing.

Mickael2:



Point of correction, if Martins comes back, why should he look at Onazi as his senior?! Haba Martins made his debut almost 13years ago, Onazi just started recently. You can say he will have to accept that Onazi is the vice captain but it ends there, Onazi should look upon Martins as the elder not the other way round, same goes for Mikel.



You should go through the older pages, I started advocating for these guys before the SA game, Forgiveness has been saying it since I entered this thread, Komekn has been hammering it since he entered the thread so we didn't start today

The bolded is actually how resentment, animosity, power tussle begins. We are all human beings. Mikel and Onazi have a place in the team now that in relation to Martins is equal to seniority. It's natural that if Mr A was in an office without position before Mr B and C came but after he left Mr B and Mr C were given positions so much that everybody looks up to them, so you think if Mr A returns and he doesn't fall in line by looking up to Mr B and C by saying they are not his senior wahala will not start brewing? Not that kind of out and out wahala ooo(which is better and can be resolved) but the one that is hidden and festers in the heart, the one that is felt but not talked about or talked about in whispers. And that my brother is how the cookie crumbles.

korlahwarleh:


Yes I meant accepting that Onazi is the vice captain and by implication his leader in the team. Let me ask you, why is it that when a new IG of police is appointed, all serving officers that are his senior will automatically be "retired" by the government?. The reason is that glitches as it pertains to leadership in the system will be eradicated. No matter how humble you say Martins is, there's a limit to how much he can be controlled by Mikel and Onazi, albeit in a national team setting





So, if he was not invited from the time you started talking about him till now, and the present crop of players got the job done, what makes you think that they can't do the job ahead without him?

Ori ee pe!

WAIT. This dude is in the Bundesliga. Was not even paying attention. Interesting

Modified
Might just be the lad Rohr was talking about.

tbaba1234:
Deji Beyreuther is on the Bench for Bundesliga side Eintracht Frankfurt

Joebie:
Captains don't control. Leadership is not about control. The military is a bad analogy.

Nooo Joebie it's not a bad analogy. Leadership includes influence, direction, control, even force. The military analogy is quite apt. Football is war metaphorically speaking. Many times Mikel has been described as commander, a team described as troops. Even the word Squad is military in origin- Squadron leader.

Joebie:
It's the coach's job to manage the players. Every player look up to the captain during game time. It doesn't have to be so after game time. It's natural that some players will be inspired by the captain even off the pitch -- but it's hardly always the case that all players will.

At a World Cup setting it would go beyond the Coach. Leadership both on and off the pitch That's why Beckenbauer was called the Kaiser. What is dressing room influence?

Joebie:
WAIT. This dude is in the Bundesliga. Was not even paying attention. Interesting

Modified
Might just be the lad Rohr was talking about.

I won't be surprised if he gets a national team invite. I don't think the switch will be difficult. However, i will like to see him play a few games in the Bundesliga first.

oga, the captain is like the vice player-manager. Many captains will fail if they apply all the attributes you just mentioned. They have to deal with each individual differently to some extent.

Mujtahida:

Nooo Joebie it's not a bad analogy. Leadership includes influence, direction, control, even force. The military analogy is quite apt. Football is war. Many times Mikel has been described as commander, a team described as troops. Even the word Squad is military in origin- Squadron leader.

komekn:


Where is KC currently performing

Thesame kelechi iheanacho

I think he was just promoted from their junior team. He is a left-back so yes I will support his invite if he puts up some good performances in the Bundesliga. Some players can pull it off even at age 18.

tbaba1234:


I won't be surprised if he gets a national team invite. I don't think the switch will be difficult. However, i will like to see him play a few games in the Bundesliga first.

OMANBALA1:
One thing you want to avoid at this moment is distraction from old players who are not part of the process. Leave the team they way it is and just add to what you have. Obafemi Martins is an old story same with Osaze,Emenike, Ambrose and Taiye Taiwo.

I don't know why people engage certain characters here and try to take them serious. Some body who think Tiago Ilori should be invited to replace Omeruo....Very unserious.

Wow you remind me of taiye Taiwo.. And you know our weakest link is Elderson... Maybe we need Taiwo atleast to help out... His performing very well now