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WHO IS CHRIST? IS JESUS GOD?

Dear Holy Spirit help me to explain this mystery in the best possible way I understand it. The FATHER and The SON are one GOD. There is only one God according to the scripture, meaning that the FATHER, SON &SPIRIT are one indivisible, inseparable and united BEING. Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord :
Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV. In human understanding, no two things can be one, or said to be inseparable. But it is not so with God. Just look at husband and wife, though two but GOD see them as one. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh Mark 10:7‭-‬8 KJV.
WHO then is JESUS, why is he called the SON of GOD. Now to answer the question of who is JESUS. John 1:1,14, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Its very clear from the scripture above, that before JESUS manifested in this world he has been in existence, he was not an angel if you want to think so, the bible said he was with God and was GOD. He was with the FATHER. Do you know why Jesus called him FATHER? It is because JESUS want to reveal God to us as a loving creator.

There are many preachers of the word who believe that the SON and the FATHER are equal. The SON is GOD and have life in himself just as the father, but the SON at the same time confessed that the FATHER is greater than him and he can not do any thing by himself. I believe that the Father is greater. The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise John 5:18‭-‬19 KJV. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day John 6:38‭-‬39 KJV.
Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father Philippians 2:4‭-‬11 KJV.
Can you see, the SON was in the form of the FATHER, just as John 1:1 bare witness. But he became man, he left heaven and came to earth even was born in a poor home for what purpose precisely? You and I was the reason. Here are some of the reasons why God became man.
1. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV
2. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 KJV
3. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 KJV
4. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8 KJV
5. Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Colossians 1:12‭-‬15 KJV
To summarize the scriptures above, the SON of GOD (JESUS), came to earth to save us from sin (devil) because the FATHER love us. Every man outside CHRIST JESUS is under the power of sin (devil). That is why men will commit sin and they are comfortable and relaxed because sin(devil) has become their friend and father. You may claim that you know GOD, that JESUS is not the way or only way to GOD. MY FRIEND YOU ARE DECEIVING YOURSELF AND LYING TO YOUR SOUL. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:22‭-‬23 KJV
No man has direct access to GOD except through JESUS CHRIST. This is the only channel GOD has made available for us to come to him, every other channels are fake, counterfeit and provided by the devil to deceive gullible men.
Christ is coming again. He is coming again. Stop DECEIVING yourselves. I pray for you today that your eyes of understanding may open to see the truth. Don’t be like those who have eye but cannot see.
Remain blessed in the love of Christ our saviour.

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The gospel is that you are saved if you are I'm the finished work of Christ.
You are in Him and Hiking the Father.
Look into the rock from where you are when.

A piece of the rock cannot be in anyway different from the rock.
He is the first born of all sons of God.
You are just like him.
This is the message of salvation.

op dere is only one God which is Jehovah God,and Jesus is not dat person, even he Jesus made it very clear when he was teaching d fada (God) is greater Dan d son (Jesus) john 14:28. only the father is good mark 10:17-22, d son obey d will of d father john 6:38.d son has a beginning Colossians I:15.d father (God) has no beginning, Rather he is d beginning and d ending. d father all knowing Mark 13:32. my dear Jesus is not d xame as God,yes he maybe d son of God so dat make's him a god not God.

John 20:17 New International Version
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
How could Jesus be equal with his own God? God is not a mystery.

lovingJehovah:
John 20:17 New International Version
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
How could Jesus be equal with his own God? God is not a mystery.

Riko2:
op dere is only one God which is Jehovah God,and Jesus is not dat person, even he Jesus made it very clear when he was teaching d fada (God) is greater Dan d son (Jesus) john 14:28. only the father is good mark 10:17-22, d son obey d will of d father john 6:38.d son has a beginning Colossians I:15.d father (God) has no beginning, Rather he is d beginning and d ending. d father all knowing Mark 13:32. my dear Jesus is not d xame as God,yes he maybe d son of God so dat make's him a god not God.

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." Hebrews 1:8

Christ is a name derived from Krishna of the Neanderthal periods. Krishna could be written as Krista or Krish. Jesus is a name derived from the name of a god in the Neanderthal period named Zeusus from the root name Zeus. Woking on the name Zeusus we have Jesus.
So Jesus Christ was originally a name called Zeusus Krista, and the story written about him was derived from the story of another god named Faulkin who was also on earth in the periods of the hominids and Neanderthals.

Yeah yeah in the building

Woss Otem I see you

UmarIbnShittu:
Woss Otem I see you

Sure I'd be in a thread such as this to clarify things. My business is to reveal the truth.

OtemSapien:
Sure I'd be in a thread such as this to clarify things. My business is to reveal the truth.

carry on

Thanks for that comment.

Hebrews 1:8 is a frequently quoted verse to support the trinity. But, if you would have the patience to read the next verse you will understand more clearly that you are probably using a spurious translation. Now remember that this is a requote from Psalms 45:6-7 Let us go over it Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
Now verse 8 makes it clearer that a position was conferred on Jesus. If he were God Almighty, he would be the supreme being/authority without the need for someone to anoint him.
Would you agree that your God was anointed? By who? And take a very good note that it referred to the angels as Jesus' COMPANIONS. So, how do you affiliate the conflicting senses propounded by your translation? To this very end, I am sure even though you quoted Hebrews 1:8 with confidence you will not be willing to quote the proceeding verse because it is contradictory. Not that the Bible is contradictory but your translation is contaminated.
If you are willing to do a little more research it will be more beneficial to you.

DoctorAlien:


"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." Hebrews 1:8

lovingJehovah:
Thanks for that comment.

Hebrews 1:8 is a frequently quoted verse to support the trinity. But, if you would have the patience to read the next verse you will understand more clearly that you are probably using a spurious translation. Now remember that this is a requote from Psalms 45:6-7 Let us go over it Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
Now verse 8 makes it clearer that a position was conferred on Jesus. If he were God Almighty, he would be the supreme being/authority without the need for someone to anoint him.
Would you agree that your God was anointed? By who? And take a very good note that it referred to the angels as Jesus' COMPANIONS. So, how do you affiliate the conflicting senses propounded by your translation? To this very end, I am sure even though you quoted Hebrews 1:8 with confidence you will not be willing to quote the proceeding verse because it is contradictory. Not that the Bible is contradictory but your translation is contaminated.
If you are willing to do a little more research it will be more beneficial to you.

First off, you don't assume that I am arguing in favour of the doctrine of Trinity.

You call KJV spurious and contaminated? So your NWT is actually accurate and clean? LOL. Follow this link to see a thorough dissection of your clean NWT(note that I don't endorse their trinitarian teachings. I just provided the link so you can see how "uncontaminated" your NWT is): https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-the-creator-god/

That Jesus was anointed by God, His Father, does not take away anything from His Deity. If Jesus is not God, why did Micah 5:2 state that Jesus's "goings forth have been from everlasting"? Who has existed from everlasting if not God?

Who was speaking in Rev. 1:11?
Who was speaking in Rev. 21:6?
Who was speaking in Rev. 1:17-18?

I have read many of those dissections and they are ludicrous. As a matter of fact, one of my neighbor runs one of those websites and blasphemous YouTube channels.
The Bible calls Jesus a mighty God in the OT but then Jesus himself tells us about a God greater than him that he calls father and God and the one called him his son. Jesus prayed to him and also states that there is something that that father knows that he doesn't know. The Bible tells us that Jesus sits at the right hand of God and it didn't say that God sits at God's right hand. The Bible acknowledges that there are many gods but to us, there is only one God and one Lord who is Jesus. The statement is very clear. In a relationship, there are many suitors, but to a bride, there is one choice.
Jesus is the way to God and we must know him to get to Jehovah God, John 17:3 and knowing these two mean our salvation.

Asking if the KJV is spurious? Well some verses are! In case you did not know, KJV made some heretic addition to the Bible, You can type "1 John 5:7 controversy" on google and do some thorough research.

I am happy that you brought the book of Revelation up. But before you took that dive to verse 8; 11; 17-18 I was wondering if you read the first verse at all. Revelation 1:1 "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place...".
That can at least give you an idea of where the message written down in the following verses that you quoted came from.
Now, rolling back to your question, "who was speaking?
Let me take you back again to the same verse. Revelation 1:1 "...And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John.
So apostle John was writing down the vision given to him by an angel. The angel was sent by Jesus Christ and the message was from Jehovah God.
Does it appear the same in your Bible? Or was it part of the verses that your link dissected?

on your question about Micah 5:2?
I will advise you to do some research using a range of other Bible translations.
Micah 5:2 'And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah,
The one too little to be among the thousands of Judah,
From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel,
Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago'.
Micah spoke about time it might be beyond human longevity but there was a time frame "from long ago". Jehovah is the only one without a beginning in the Bible. He is the creator and every other are creations even Jesus himself. Colossians 1:15 'The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation'.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, the only God (in corroboration to 1 Timothy 2:5), be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen
Jude 25 to the only God (JEHOVAH) our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen
Can you see the adjectival phrase used to qualify Jehovah God (ALL PAST ETERNITY)? Other translations might say 'before all time'. Notice the difference in the adjectival phrases between Micah 5:2 and Jude 25.
Do your research and you will see the effervescence of the coherence and lucidity in the Bible's message.
If it matters? Yes! Exodus 20:5 "...for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion..."

Do excuse me, if my assumption of defending the trinity hurts. That verse is a regular quote from Trinitarians when they defend their beliefs

DoctorAlien:


First off, you don't assume that I am arguing in favour of the doctrine of Trinity.

You call KJV spurious and contaminated? So your NWT is actually accurate and clean? LOL. Follow this link to see a thorough dissection of your clean NWT(note that I don't endorse their trinitarian teachings. I just provided the link so you can see how "uncontaminated" your NWT is): https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-the-creator-god/

That Jesus was anointed by God, His Father, does not take away anything from His Deity. If Jesus is not God, why did Micah 5:2 state that Jesus's "goings forth have been from everlasting"? Who has existed from everlasting if not God?

Who was speaking in Rev. 1:11? I THINK THAT YOU MEANT TO CITE VERSE 8
Who was speaking in Rev. 21:6?
Who was speaking in Rev. 1:17-18?

Op, you are right to say Jesus is God but wrong to equate him with his Father Jehovah God.

You are also wrong to say the word "God" means a being that was not created".

We human beings were created by God, and God still calls us gods.

Idols/ daemons that some human beings worship are referred to as gods. God calls them gods.

The word God is a title . Jesus Christ is not an ordinary being like the angels, daemons or human beings. He created the angels,demons , humans and the universe together with his Father. He himself was created by God the Father. The bible ref. is this:


Proverbs 8:22-36 KJV
The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
[23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
[24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
[25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
[27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
[28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
[29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
[30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
[31] Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
[32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
[33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
[34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
[35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord .
[36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

That is why the Bible says in :

John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Jesus worths to be called Almighty God by any mouth or any creation because he is the creator. But God the Father is God to Jesus Christ as read in:

Revelation 3:12,21 KJV
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name..........
[21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


Everything we need is in the Bible. We shuold be very careful to discard or term verses in the Bible as errors.

What is most important is our heaven , when we get there we can ask questions as much as we want in love and peace.

I think, there is a big confusion as to who Jesus was on earth and His status in heaven. Here on earth, He was a man, who had relinquished his equality with God and made Himself of no reputation (Phil 2:5-11). For someone to make Himself of no reputation, He must first have a reputation. Reputation as what? As God. He is said to be in the form of God, He was equal with God, but He set that aside to become the ultimate sacrifice. In John 10:30, Jesus made it clear, that there is no difference between Him & His Father. The big problem occurs when we try to separate Jesus from God, they are one and the same.

joshnes:
I think, there is a big confusion as to who Jesus was on earth and His status in heaven. Here on earth, He was a man, who had relinquished his equality with God and made Himself of no reputation (Phil 2:5-11). For someone to make Himself of no reputation, He must first have a reputation. Reputation as what? As God. He is said to be in the form of God, He was equal with God, but He set that aside to become the ultimate sacrifice. In John 10:30, Jesus made it clear, that there is no difference between Him & His Father. The big problem occurs when we try to separate Jesus from God, they are one and the same.

What do you mean by " they are one and the same"?

enilove:



What do you mean by " they are one and the same"?

I mean exactly what Jesus meant when He said "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE". They are one and the same, (see John 14: 6-11). There Philip asked ".....show us the Father...." Jesus said "have I been so long with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?.....". Read Vs 8 & 9 well.

Riko2:
op dere is only one God which is Jehovah God,and Jesus is not dat person, even he Jesus made it very clear when he was teaching d fada (God) is greater Dan d son (Jesus) john 14:28. only the father is good mark 10:17-22, d son obey d will of d father john 6:38.d son has a beginning Colossians I:15.d father (God) has no beginning, Rather he is d beginning and d ending. d father all knowing Mark 13:32. my dear Jesus is not d xame as God,yes he maybe d son of God so dat make's him a god not God.

What about "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God"

Although I understand your point. There is Christ and there is God. But Jess said " I am in the father and the father is in me whoever that sees me has seen the father"

My son that stands in for me at an occasion has my backing and instruction. Whatsoever he says or does is believed to have been done by me.

In this wise Jesus is God though the father is different from the son but they are one.

tamethem:


What about "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God"

Although I understand your point. There is Christ and there is God. But Jess said " I am in the father and the father is in me whoever that sees me has seen the father"

My son that stands in for me at an occasion has my backing and instruction. Whatsoever he says or does is believed to have been done by me.

In this wise Jesus is God though the father is different from the son but they are one.

but at lease we both agree dat God d father is different from God d son(Jesus).Jesus is d first born of all creation, be 4 God create any thing God has create him (Jesus) dat where u get in d beginning d world was with God. as 4 dere oneness, it's a father and a son relationship, eg u dat is quoting me, u and ur father are one because u have some qualities of ur father,but u are not ur father. are u?

lovingJehovah:
I have read many of those dissections and they are ludicrous. As a matter of fact, one of my neighbor runs one of those websites and blasphemous YouTube channels.
The Bible calls Jesus a mighty God in the OT but then Jesus himself tells us about a God greater than him that he calls father and God and the one called him his son. Jesus prayed to him and also states that there is something that that father knows that he doesn't know. The Bible tells us that Jesus sits at the right hand of God and it didn't say that God sits at God's right hand. The Bible acknowledges that there are many gods but to us, there is only one God and one Lord who is Jesus. The statement is very clear. In a relationship, there are many suitors, but to a bride, there is one choice.
Jesus is the way to God and we must know him to get to Jehovah God, John 17:3 and knowing these two mean our salvation.

Asking if the KJV is spurious? Well some verses are! In case you did not know, KJV made some heretic addition to the Bible, You can type "1 John 5:7 controversy" on google and do some thorough research.

I am happy that you brought the book of Revelation up. But before you took that dive to verse 8; 11; 17-18 I was wondering if you read the first verse at all. Revelation 1:1 "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place...".
That can at least give you an idea of where the message written down in the following verses that you quoted came from.
Now, rolling back to your question, "who was speaking?
Let me take you back again to the same verse. Revelation 1:1 "...And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John.
So apostle John was writing down the vision given to him by an angel. The angel was sent by Jesus Christ and the message was from Jehovah God.
Does it appear the same in your Bible? Or was it part of the verses that your link dissected?

on your question about Micah 5:2?
I will advise you to do some research using a range of other Bible translations.
Micah 5:2 'And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah,
The one too little to be among the thousands of Judah,
From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel,
Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago'.
Micah spoke about time it might be beyond human longevity but there was a time frame "from long ago". Jehovah is the only one without a beginning in the Bible. He is the creator and every other are creations even Jesus himself. Colossians 1:15 'The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation'.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, the only God (in corroboration to 1 Timothy 2:5), be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen
Jude 25 to the only God (JEHOVAH) our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen
Can you see the adjectival phrase used to qualify Jehovah God (ALL PAST ETERNITY)? Other translations might say 'before all time'. Notice the difference in the adjectival phrases between Micah 5:2 and Jude 25.
Do your research and you will see the effervescence of the coherence and lucidity in the Bible's message.
If it matters? Yes! Exodus 20:5 "...for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion..."

Do excuse me, if my assumption of defending the trinity hurts. That verse is a regular quote from Trinitarians when they defend their beliefs

First off, don't quote NWT for me please. NWT is JW literature, not the Bible. It is downright comical to base your arguments on the NWT. LOL.

You just claim that the assertions made in the post are ludicrous? Where are your rebuttals to the points made in the article?

Don't try to correct me! Simply answer my questions:

1. Who was speaking here? "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea." Rev. 1:11

2. Who was speaking here? "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely." Rev. 21:6

3. Who was speaking here? "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Rev. 1:17-18

And if you're going to appeal to the majority of translations to brush KJV off on this one, then the majority of the translations render the clause in John 1:1 as "and the Word was God".

Moreover, 1 John 4:12(even your NWT) says that no man has seen God at any time. Yet Exodus 24:10 (even your NWT) says that the God of Israel was seen by men. Who was that God seen in Exod. 24:10?

DoctorAlien:


"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." Hebrews 1:8

Lol Paul is the biggest problem to Christianity

He quoted Jesus and you are quoting Paul ?

If you read the bible on your own from beginning to end and still think Jesus is God you have a comprehension problem

First of all the most original account of the New Testament is the book of Mark ,and it was not even written by Mark even ? Non of the books in the bible was written by the deciples but Mark is regarded as to closest to truth

While John is the least authentic

The thing is that Jesus is God, but the father is greater than him. The father sees Him as God and Son. Jesus came from God. He confess in the book of john that just like the father has life in Himself so has He given to the Son to have life. It is this life of God that makes Him self existence. The father gave this life to the Son to also be self existence. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;John 5:26 KJV
Whatever the father does He shows the Son, which shows that everything flows from the father. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.John 5:20 KJV
The SON has his own will but for him the father's will come first because He love the FATHER.
The father has committed all judgement to the Son, and given the Son the power to give life. But the truth is that the Son judgement is right because he does not judge alone. And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:27‭, ‬30 KJV

I love it when Christians argue amongst themselves. It just goes to show you that Christianity is human idea/invention and like all human idea/invention, it could be customised to Fit into ones narrative.

That's why there are different denominations with different doctrines despite the fact they claim to serve one god who inspires their teachings through the Holy Spirit. Does this mean that this same Holy Spirit teaches different doctrines to different people?