What is the point of argument here. I think is to have a good standard of living.weather u live in America or Africa is not about how much u have in ur bank account. Am a senior civil servant earning below 50k per month which can not even pay my children school fees per term. My wife is as well a civil servant own over six month salary. How do u survive in this situation. I have an old man who has not been paid his pension for over four years b4 he move than to this America to have a decent life. How many of u talking on this trend can afford a good life eg 24hrs of electricity, health care facilities, transport ,road and houses. This not abt how much u have in the bank.

Esepayan:



atleast dem travel
pay for visa
pay for ticket
u have not achieved anything and u are quick to talk when u become a man u will understand.

lol
Don't mind him
I'm living in Dubai but still planning to relocate to USA

If you want to console yourself please find other measures pls don't go after America - it is not even close by any standard. Take it from someone that spends at least 2 months in Nigeria yearly and mixes with the high and the low.

So why are they coming back to head something in Nigeria? maybe cos they couldn't head nothing in America. Even Ngozi was a servant of the globalist. She is not global in anyway. Just like Koffi Ananan who was a figure but didn't have any single power. These whites knows how to fool Africans. They put one or two of our faces to paint an illusion that we are progressing in the western world.

SIRTee15:


U be clown I swear....
I thought u were serious b4....
I didn't know u are a troll....
It's like u never heard of the word brain drain....
If it's so bad, then why do professionals from third world stay put n continue their career progression overseas...
Even ur politicians are joining the trend...
One of ur minister's daughter just got a job in Google worth around 500 thousands dollars a year....
Akinyuli daughter sold one of her artwork for a million dollars.....
Sit down there n be consoling urself....
Instead of u to double ur hustle n ensure ur children get the best of both worlds...
There's nothing as having a rich n strong career abroad...
The exposure, the skill, depth is unparalleled n inestimable.......
Even if its a stint....
Do u think if ur finance minister had worked all her life with naija financial institution, she will ever attain that position...
Don't worry more of them are on the way....
Politician are already securing the future of their children along that line....
One just came from CDC to head a division in global health, Nigeria...
No interview was conducted, the job was handed over to her....
Mph from Harvard, epidemiologist working with CDC.
Case closed,....
other Nigerians who went to Abuja for the interview were told to go back home....
Go to Abuja n see what's happening....

timesup234:
sorry dude. It will take a Nigerian doing menial job in the US. twenty years to be able to complete a duplex. Unless they are involved in shady deals it is impossible. Even middle class Americans who make $57,000 annually cant save a thousand dollars monthly. When you get to America the hidden truth will ne revealed to you

Please stop posting rubbish out of ignorance. Who told you people who make $57,000 annially can't save a thousand dollars monthly? If you think all nigerians living in america are doing menial jobs, then you need to get some knowledge. There are niherian doctors who earn over $400k here but doctors in nigeria live like church rats.

Even in Nigeria skill is required to survive without skills one will merely be managing so, I believe same applies irregardless of the clime or boundary. Gain skill be able to do something. Except the back ground is well to do.
Haven't been to Lagos even, in actuality I realise that better things lie out there and the most deserving are those who work their asses.

timesup234:
Sorry dear, American visa is nothing. Maybe 20 yrs ago but not in 2017. When someone points this truth counter the topic and not the individual. Can you compare someone doing menial job or even a Registered Nurse in America to a bank manager in Nigeria. Come on let's be frank and honest.

You're right.
For all but the most educated professionals, migrating to the USA does not represent a value proposition.

idu1:
repeat degree?

Yes Nigerian educational system is not compatible with USA standards.

Beautyaddy:


Looool!! I'm beginning to think so.

The moniker joined this month and all its threads and post have been anti-American.(Either the moniker has been denied US visa multiple times or something else is going on...lol!)

Either way, Americans no send am. Fact remain is no matter the hate or love for the blessed country, It will always stand out in history to be one of the great and powerful countries to ever exist.

Nice one..
Example: Israel as a nation

timesup234:
well with 250k you can get a nice two bedroom in most states in Nigeria

How long would it take you to save up 250k for rent from a salary of 80k per month when you have to take care of your family's feeding, medicals, and attend to other pressing needs?

While you are trying to make a valid point about the unknown bitter truths about the American society, I think everything has been over exaggerated by you. A worker doing menial job in America has access to the best healthcare even an NNPC Manager here in Nigeria would find difficult to access. No need to worry about unnecessary expenses incurred for powering the household generator whenever there is power outage.

There is efficient transport system to move you from one point to another, good roads that are devoid of potholes, good and efficient security system.

The only reality about living in America is that when you are an undocumented immigrant is when you live the kind of life you are trying to paint about living in the American society. As an undocumented person, there is a limit to the type of jobs you can do.

The truth is that things are not easy in America as you have to work your way to the top unlike our system here in Nigeria, but reality is, there are uncountable million opportunities in America which you can leverage on to be whatever you want to be in life.

timesup234:
It is the plain truth. It is impossible to save 10kusd annually in the united states, even those with a paying job of $75,000 cant save that much. Do you know what it means to have $100,0000 in cash in america? 85% of americans dont have it and i am even talking about first class citizens

people wey neva leave their bavkyard dey analyse things like their papa na obama

I know someone who says we're all Bush people because she poses naked and sells soap in UK.

Fraud and wire boys detected. Not even up to a year? Wonderful! We all know America is now the capital of fraud. Please try another one..

Justbright:


Sidon there make pata Dey wear u... I av over a score of friends and colleagues who have not even spent half d year u mentioned and what Dey av built will daze u.. It's all about grace, priority and hard work... Stop giving unreliable and misguided figures and claims......ur accession is clearly biased and one sided

olawonder:
My own take:
If a bank manager in Nigeria can save 30% of monthly income after paying all bills to fund (for example) a house project over a period of time, so can a menial hustler in the US! The difference (why the person in the US might not meet up) is that often that 30% savings might have to be sent home. If the banker in Nigeria also have responsibilities elsewhere, both will probably be in same level in comparison.

Why would anyone want to even compare a bank manager to a menial worker?
Is that how much we have little respect for the professionals in Nigeria?
Why can't he compare the bank managers in Nigeria to other Nigerians who are bank managers abroad? Nigerians are holding top positions worldwide, so I'm sure we have some bank managers who are Nigerians in America.

Pidgin2:


You are 100% right. Most of them only deceive their relatives here during festive periods when they come around. This is after they have worked and saved all year round doing menial jobs. Only a few are truly successful but their number can't be compared to the majority who are living from hand to mouth with no reasonable savings

If America was as bad as you make it sound, why is the whole world trying to move there? There is no comparison between America and Nigeria except that the later is your home country.

If you want to work in America, you will find something though you may not like it, but at least you are earning an income. Can you say the same of Nigeria?

If a person earning menial wage in America is able to save part of the money and come to Nigeria, those funds are worth more than what many civil servants earn in Nigeria. That is why many Nigerians in America support their families back home in Nigeria.

supersystemsnig:



Hahahaha, okay how about Pain ?

Pain now undersrand that Konoha must be protected.

It doesn't matter man. They are all broke. So come with facts to counter me so I render you useless

aonag:


if you have not travelled to america or been to the states before, il kindly ask you to stfu!

Op stop deceiving yourself ok...yes its true.nigerians who do menial jobs in usa are richer than some bank managers here in Nigeria..I.e The minimum wage of us workers is $10 per hour and lets assume someone works for 8 hours that will amount to $80 per day.Now calculate $80 X 7 days in week that will amout to $560 every week $560 x the four weeks we have in a month is $2240 convert to naira is 813,120 now how many bank managers receive dat amount of money before tax in Nigeria? After tax and oda expenses ur take home salary is 600,000 monthly how many bank maangers receive such in Nigeria and dnt forget I calculated dis based on a minimum wage which is 10$ per hour in some work places they can pay u above the minimum wage cos in usa states have control of minimum wage so depending on d state u are in usa ur take home salary can be up to 1million monthly after tax..some offices pay as high as $ 15 hour...I hv not even mentioned overtime.

moonraker:
Sounds like the OP needs to double his hustle rather than open threads on here that doesnt add KOBO to his account.

Abeg use a word other than hustle. That is the issue. Most people talking about how bad the West is only know people who went there to hustle. Odd undocumented dodgy jobs, petty theft, body and soul together no chance of advancement or progression.

You tell him to double his hustle he will move from picking pockets to armed robbery

OP You are bitter Man

boringnigerian:
Funny how living abroad is "so bad", yet everyone either wants to either go there or is proud to have someone there

Yes oo and the rich 'bank managers' in Nigeria are flying abroad daily to give birth to ''citizens'

Pasca07:
so everybody should travel to Benin or delta cos accommodation are affordable there?

Not just Benin or delta, accommodation is also affordable in places like Jos, Kd and kano.

timesup234:
Ok bro lets do the maths. You don't expect someone earning $75,000 to be squatting with a roommate. Such person is due for a two bedroom house or at least a one bedroom if he/she is not married. A standard one bedroom goes for $1,700 monthly in most areas in Chicago. That is over 20,000 on rent annually. Then you new model car note payments along with monthly insurance will cost you $700 which totals $8,400 annually. You are expected to pay over $200 monthly on premium health insurance which totals $2400 annually. Meanwhile before you start rejoicing, earning $75,000 means over $13,000 will be taken as federal tax, $4500 as social security, over $1,000 as medicare and another $3,000 as state tax meaning you are actually left with just $51,000 to spend for the year. I have not even gone into other major expenses, by the time I am through you will find out earning $75,000 or even $100,000 annually in America is nothing. You guys should learn from my posts and stip debating me. You are all rookies or people who really know what is happening but choose to lie or deceive themselves.

So i am left $41000 after i saved $10000 on what. Rent can come as low $700 to $1400 for 1 to 2 bedroom depending on the area in chicagoland which is $16000 anually not over $20000. Luxury appartments cost $1700 upward in chicago. I do not have a buy a new car i can save money by getting a fairly 2-3 year used car which can last long with no mechanical issues apart from oil change.Top basic amendities cannot be more $3000 a year. My bro it is possible to save $10000 to $15000, it is called managing and not going beyond your boundaries.

timesup234:
You made a meaningful contribute but the truth is that there are some places in America that is not different from Mushin. Try and go around you will be shocked! Many places...

.

Don't think so dear, maybe another mushin not d one i live close to.

oglalasioux:


That amount won't get you a room self con in Abuja, Lagos or PH which can't even measure with any city in America in social amenities. Stop the exaggerations. Do you even live in Nigeria? This country is hell and you are here talking trash from statistics you got from the Internet.

Someone please give this man a beer

oyb:


Abeg use a word other than hustle. That is the issue. Most people talking about how bad the West is only know people who went there to hustle. Odd undocumented dodgy jobs, petty theft, body and soul together no chance of advancement or progression.

You tell him to double his hustle he will move from picking pockets to armed robbery

Hahhahhaha

Lol Apologies.

I figured he would understand better if i used words that (You know) he is familiar with. Oh well...

People who know, they know.

donniemc:

Bros,
Am a programmer and i live in Abuja also i earn more than you every month....way more than that $3200USD. I have app on the Google play store that earn me lot of money. The best formula is to stay in Nigeria learn a skill that can help you earn foreign exchange right here in Nigeria!!.

I will advise anybody that wants to travel abroad to do menial jobs to just learn programming i.e making android apps, or start a Youtube channel....Just do something to earn foreign exchange here in Nigeria.

Your life will be bliss!!.

Also,
You will be helping Nigeria to earn foreign exchange. Lets all take advantage of the opportunities the Internet presents to us.
This is the 21st century you don't have to go to America to earn American dollars $$. you can stay here in Nigeria and make it BIG



God Bless Nigeria!!...and America too (specifically Google )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3tRyD5LCN0&t=583s

You made a valid point bro, especially when you said that people should earn foreign exchange from naija.
I'm just curious, do you work for a company or you are a full-time freelancer?

Bruno3000:
Not just Benin or delta, accommodation is also affordable in places like Jos, Kd and kano.

so all Nigerians should move to the state you mentioned? have you consider job opportunities in those states you mentioned?

timesup234:
It will take an American hustler 20yrs to save for a 20% downpayment for a house. Thats just 40kusd for an average $200,000 house. It will take him another 30yrs to pay back the loan of $160,000 excluding interest. Thats 50yrs to own a single house. Enough time for even a bricklayer and shoemaker to build two houses in Nigeria

Chascop:



lol.. hilarious question

Very hilarious question

timesup234:
well with 250k you can get a nice two bedroom in most states in Nigeria

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Am sure lagos State is out of ur most states sha?except in suburb of lagos State sha....

Tsk tsk tsk! Na so. I am sure that standard 1 bedroom of $1700/month is equivalent to a luxury 3 bedroom apartment in Lekki here in terms of the environment, amenities etc... So the Nigerian in the US can go for substandard at $700 - $800 and still live better than most people living in the same type of house in Lekki.

Also, this comparison is lopsided because the OP is comparing someone working 40hrs/week in the US to a bank Manager in Nigeria. Most bank managers work sun up to sun down and must still network at night to keep clients happy and bring in customers. That's about 12 hour days here - 60 hours a week, and let's not forget Saturdays too. A typical Nigerian employer cares not about overtime and in today's clime you should even be thankful you have a job. Your comparison should be if based on a Nigerian in the US working 60-70 hours a week doing menial jobs to a bank Manager in Nigeria.

On another note, there are a lot of opportunities to earn more from the comfort of your Sofa in the States. You can blog, YouTube, Earn free cash on mobile apps, take surveys, participate in clinical trials, etc... to supplement your income and you get paid real time. As a matter of fact, a lot of Nigerians are freelancing on the Web for US companies {Thank you Technology) and earning from there even though there might be payment processing limitations. Talkless of someone who lives in the States and can access these services without restrictions. Tell me the kind of opportunities like this that are available to Nigerians?

And lastly, just how many bank managers are even in Nigeria sef? Are they the only ones that are supposed to build a house? What of the remaining people that do not earn up to half of what a BM is earning? BM's are just a small number of people in the multitude of poverty that Nigeria is wallowing in and given a chance, they will take the menial jobs in the US to the BM job in Nigeria where you have to kiss a lot of ass, wake up early and close late at night, have little to no time for family because you are almost always in traffic and get home late when they are asleep, buy fuel and service generator, buy bottled water because the tap water is tainted, pay ridiculous estimated bills whether there's light or not because one PHCN Madam is delaying the installation of your meter until you settle an exorbitant amount or buy a meter (which is free) at 30 - 100k, pay ridiculously high fees to private schools because public education system is dead... Chaii... biko don't get me started this Sunday afternoon.