Humility017:


yeah....moreso i see nwakali call up as an encouragement for hardwork....all this while.
the dude will be greatly encouraged to work harder....even if he does not make the cut to Russia....
will love see one or two new names as time progress ..to get a taste of the SE and serve as inspiration to keep doing their thing...

komekn:


Firstly, corruption as a word is pregnant with meaning. In what context is he using it and in what context have you perceived it.

In my opinion English football is intrinsically corrupt there are things I know to be true. That I can say in this forum anonymously that would see me in court for defamation in England. I would be banned from some football grounds.

Football corruption can be very subtle it's not as pronounced and overt as the corruption obtainable in Nigeria politics.

I did not feel he should register any apology whatsoever. It's a question of opinion and that's what his opinion of which I cannot dispute, he has his view you have yours respect his and he respects yours, matter end.

komekn:


I see it as a disencouragement to players who are striving for excellence and the recognition of true exceptional talent devoid of sentiments and or favouritism.

The enthronement of mediocrity over exceptional quality.

Very dissapointing but not suprising this sort of unjustifiable approach is mirrored in so many areas of our national approaches in appointment and selection.

safarigirl:
how will you feel he should register an apology when you obviously share his views?

If they had taken one of those funny English 'talents' you constantly bring up here, you would have endorsed the list.

Your own view is moot as far as this topic is concerned. Stop trying to explain away what he meant by corruption, it is clear as day.

This useless thing you are bringing up about 'context' is expected, you can all say whatever, but 97% of posters here are very sentimental when they want to read posts and you are one of them

forgiveness:



Do you mean Chidiebere Nwakali who failed in LA liga 2 is ahead of Ramon Azeez?

Joebie:
Thanks for the compliment.

I want to think that the selection process even among those in the SE fold is ongoing.

And you are right we have just Mikel and Iwobi as players who can play as AM. Rohr likes Etebo a lot. I remember when he just resumed as coach he singled out Etebo then for his exploits in the olympics opener. Etebo would have earned an immediate call up but for injury. So my friend, you don't know what Rohr has been seeing of Etebo in camp. Let's assume that with these two matches, players will be tried in other positions. I think Rohr is yet to make a final decision on some of the players in the team. And that is not to say they cannot fight their way back in the team if they get dropped.

Let's take these games one at a time. We also have an AFCON qualifier in March, and more friendlies coing. We will judge these players one game at a time.

With Nwakali around, it shows that the battle in the DM position is heating up.

Icon4s:


Hahaha easy sis.

but wait am I among the 97%. Haha.

safarigirl:
no, you and Joebie are two f the least sentimental people on here. There are only about six of you at most

safarigirl:
no, you and Joebie are two f the least sentimental people on here. There are only about six of you at most

forgiveness:



Do you mean Chidiebere Nwakali who failed in LA liga 2 is ahead of Ramon Azeez?

Oasis007:


If you check my Post on Forgiveness Grievances against Rohr and the List, you would see where I pointed out this ain't a World Cup List, that anything can happen between now and before the List is made.

Player like Etebo is needed in the Team. He can be a super-Sub like Martial is doing at United. I will also include him on my List as a Joker on the Bench if I'm the Coach.

However, you and I have to agree that he's actually not a AM, and if you want his Best on the Pitch, play him as a Wing-Forward. He gets the Strength, Pace and Tenacity to torment any FB on his Way. His Exploits at the Olympic wasn't in the Hole but on the Wing if my Memory serves me right.

Hence we only have only Iwobi and Mikel who can play as AM in the Team. Ogu keeps making the List, yet he has not been tested in any competitive Match by Rohr. Thus he should have been the one on the supplementary List instead of Muazam; which would have balanced the Numbers of AMs and DMs on the List.

Oasis007:


If you check my Post on Forgiveness Grievances against Rohr and the List, you would see where I pointed out this ain't a World Cup List, that anything can happen between now and before the List is made.

Player like Etebo is needed in the Team. He can be a super-Sub like Martial is doing at United. I will also include him on my List as a Joker on the Bench if I'm the Coach.

However, you and I have to agree that he's actually not a AM, and if you want his Best on the Pitch, play him as a Wing-Forward. He gets the Strength, Pace and Tenacity to torment any FB on his Way. His Exploits at the Olympic wasn't in the Hole but on the Wing if my Memory serves me right.

Hence we only have only Iwobi and Mikel who can play as AM in the Team. Ogu keeps making the List, yet he has not been tested in any competitive Match by Rohr. Thus he should have been the one on the supplementary List instead of Muazam; which would have balanced the Numbers of AMs and DMs on the List.

Oasis007:


If you check my Post on Forgiveness Grievances against Rohr and the List, you would see where I pointed out this ain't a World Cup List, that anything can happen between now and before the List is made.

Player like Etebo is needed in the Team. He can be a super-Sub like Martial is doing at United. I will also include him on my List as a Joker on the Bench if I'm the Coach.

However, you and I have to agree that he's actually not a AM, and if you want his Best on the Pitch, play him as a Wing-Forward. He gets the Strength, Pace and Tenacity to torment any FB on his Way. His Exploits at the Olympic wasn't in the Hole but on the Wing if my Memory serves me right.

Hence we only have only Iwobi and Mikel who can play as AM in the Team. Ogu keeps making the List, yet he has not been tested in any competitive Match by Rohr. Thus he should have been the one on the supplementary List instead of Muazam; which would have balanced the Numbers of AMs and DMs on the List.

Icon4s:


Haha, so are you amongst the 6?

safarigirl:
no, you and Joebie are two f the least sentimental people on here. There are only about six of you at most

safarigirl:
Forgiveness attacked Rohr's person by blatantly accusing him of corruption WITHOUT proof.

Why don't you call forgiveness to order first? Respect begets respect, you cannot be disrespectful to one man and expect another to be respectful to you


He questioned Rohr's integrity without trying to look at the list from a logical point of view because logic is something forgiveness would rather discard when his boys are not in the team.


Mickael2, just like Chris advised me when Supernerd had that issue with Piet, talk to your friend first and stop telling us what keeps this thread going, because, in case you have forgotten, it is forgiveness and his spurious, careless words that have caused numerous arguments on this thread.

He is a constant with that, forgiveness needs to be called to order, if his person has to be dragged to ensure he does not get away with dragging the man who has had a stellar record in our National team, by all means, we should drag him.

Between an anonymous internet analyst like Forgiveness and the coach of a top African football team, whose personality should be protected? Or do you think the weight of allegations of corruption is something that should be treated with tender hands?

Forgiveness should tender an unreserved apology to Rohr and drop his idiotic arguments. That is what should happen here

Kog45:
Please who are the older members?coz we need to call a spade a spade,this is a forum and i don't see reason for insult or we personalize things just to score a point and the worst part of it tagging someone being TRIBAL coz he is expressing his views.

We cannot reason the same way and we need to accept that facts, this is a football thread were a lot of arguments w come in with different opinions,so why attacking to drive our points.

I want us to know that Rohr is not god coz some don't want any criticism against Rohr and for us to move forward we need to evaluate his team,invitations, selection, tactics etc

Forgiveness comment on Nwakili invitation is normal in football circles but calling Rohr fraud is out of it.

Nwakili invitation came from nowhere and a lot were surprised even on this thread but funny enough some are saying he justified the invitation which I personally disagreed.

If we want to based it on DM i can tell u something is fishing coz Anderson Esiti is there and have a better performance than Nwakili but as u said Rohr love versatility players,may be that give Nwakili advantage.

My grouse with Forgiveness is calling Rohr corrupt due to Nwakili invitation, honestly Rohr must have his reason to do so and we must respect his decision but we have every right to criticise him.

Joebie:
I think Etebo was one of the highest rated players in our match against Algeria, although not one of our best games. He played in midfield, probably box to box, looking at the way he played. At the olympics, he played as a LW according to transfermarkt.

I want to think Rohr is focusing on other positions he's not really decided on yet. For now, he seems to be satisfied with Mikel as AM and maybe Iwobi as well.

His approach may be to solve the most pressing need first.

A player placed on standby is actually a good sign. so no cause for alarm.

Humility017:

I totally agree wit you on etebo...
I think my only reservation on that list is musa inclusion
for ogu...the dude has not been tested so it won't make sense dropping him...
dropping him for what...?
when he has not been tested so how can be judged ?
I think musa should have been omitted he don't deserve to be on that list at all....
he should have give way for one more winger like yinka or Dennis.....or even alhassan..who has been scoring lately....

anyway like I read somewhere...rohr apprecIate his sense of humor and liveliness he brings to the team
rohr need tell him the truth. .....he needs get a new club and start playing football otherwise he will be omitted from the Russia bauquet

safarigirl:
no, no I am not

Oasis007:




I don't wanna cause another reckless argument, otherwise would have nailed you with bolded. Lol.

Rohr has seen him played in the Training Sessions, he has assessed his Style of Play, yet he chose to replace Onazi with Agu while Ogu was also on the Bench.

Why do you want Musa out of the Team, but wants Ogu to keep getting the Call up only to be updating his Instagram Page with SE News?! Just joking.

Humility017:

Lol...just that musa non playing time worries me....
he really need to start playing again and for ogu he plays week in week out...in Israel...so his call quite justifiable.

anyway..let's leave it here

Oasis007:


We've eventually come to the same Conclusion Bro. I said it earlier he's gonna definitely be a Hit as a B2B Midfielder because of his Strength, Pace and Tenacity.

Also I claimed he's best played as a Wing-Forward cos he excelled well playing the Position at Rio Olympic. Thus it's apparent Etebo can't be classed as a AM which limit the Numbers of AMs on the List to two - Mikel and Iwobi respectively.

Hope you get the Reason I asked for the Inclusion of Muazam on the List bro?!

Joebie:
Yes I got your point. only two AM's Mikel, and Iwobi hasn't played as an AM under Rohr. Very good point. However, I think we have better options for AM that were not even called up.

Oasis007:




But Ogu non-playing Time while on International Duty ain't worrying you?!

Musa does not deserve the Call up based on Merit at the moment, same as Ogu for only adding to the Squad List.

LOL!

Oasis007:


Of course we do, but if Muazam could make the B-List I guess he's rated by Rohr ahead of some others.

Oasis007:


Of course we do, but if Muazam could make the B-List I guess he's rated by Rohr ahead of some others.

Joebie:
Yes I got your point. only two AM's Mikel, and Iwobi hasn't played as an AM under Rohr. Very good point. However, I think we have better options for AM that were not even called up.

Mickael2:



Ok what is corruption? Let me taje you up on that. Why was Ahmed Musa invited? You will say there are extra non-footballing reasons why he was invited and I will ask why should non-footballing reasons be implemented in football? That is corruption and lack of merit, however we all have our values and community standards, I do not like going about shouting corruption but he does and if you study it from his own context he may be right, it is left for you to come out and defend Rohr's integrity. Haven't you seen me defending Nwakali's invitation? And what is this rubbish about forgiveness being my comrade? Well I have no enemy around here so he is my friend but if you think we always come to eachother's rescue then you are mistaking, we agree on virtually nothing except Martins maybe. And I am not saying these things because it's forgiveness, I would run to the defence of anybody who gets attacked like that, I didn't quote your own comment because I know you are not willing to learn

Humility017:


but for ogu...it can be said that he is fit and sharp

he passed the litmus test/criteria for national team call up...
he is playing for his club week in week out...
and for the SE the coach decides who get to play for the national team....


many have argued the need not to alter existing formation as reason for ogu bench role in the national team...so for musa what criteria was used for his call up?
how are we sure...the dude is fit for a national team job?
when last did he played a competitive football for his club?

your club performance ought to be search light for a players invitation to the national team