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Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Michael004: 6:08pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Edoloaded:Mumu, maybe you should mention the name of the oba. How many is the whole edo? |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Michael004: 6:15pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
PVision2020:You get time to engage edo man. Are those ones existing? All animals are called, snail like edo too dey show face. You no see say I no follow for the argument? |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Edopesin: 6:56pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
aybabz101:The title of Oba was used after the Ogiso title and was created by Oba Oranmiyan, Benin Empire's first "Oba". Oba Eweka I, Oranmiyan's son, is said to have ascended to power at some time between 1180 and 1300. The Oba of Benin was the Head of State (Emperor) of the Benin Empire until the Empire's annexation by the British, in 1897. source |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Nobody: 6:58pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Edo State needs and deserve big projects that will trigger massive economic growth to the state so the youths can be actively engaged. This is a brilliant initiative. Congrats Edo State |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by aybabz101: 7:06pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Edopesin: like i said ealier both side havr their own history. frm my own personal knowledge, oranmiyan is a typical yoruba ancestria name which belong to one of oduduwas sons. also from ur research that was the oba of benin. mayb they have different implications to both cultures-i dont know. it said d title was created (in benin kingdom) by oranmiyan i.e. u guyz have a title for ur royal family b4 the ascension of oranmiyan as the king. and frm my own knowledge, oranmiyan is one of oduduwas sons; so it is safe for me to say that the title is from yoruba kindom |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Edopesin: 7:20pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
aybabz101:now you AGREE that it was first used by a benin king |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by aybabz101: 7:29pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Edopesin: i didnt agree with you, what i said was that d title Oba was first used in benin kingdom by oba oranmiyan who in essence was one of oduduwas sons. which means there was a title the benin royal house was associated with before oranmiyan. and i believe that oranmiyan got this title by his assocuation with the yoruba tribe. moreover if u click on oba in that in that particular sentence, it will clearly tell u dat the word oba is associated with thr yoruba ppl. |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by aybabz101: 7:33pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Edopesin:according to Wikipedia--- Oranmiyan Omoluabi Odede, Great Prince of Ife, King of the Yoruba also known as Oranyan, was a Yoruba king from the kingdom of Ile-Ife [1] and although he was the last born, he became the prime heir to Oduduwa at his return to claim his father's throne. [2] According to Yoruba history, he founded Oyo as its first Alaafin at around the year 1300 and one of his children, Eweka I, proceeded to become the first Oba of the Benin Empire .-------- so clearly the yorubas own the word OBA |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by aybabz101: 7:33pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Edopesin:according to Wikipedia--- Oranmiyan Omoluabi Odede, Great Prince of Ife, King of the Yoruba also known as Oranyan, was a Yoruba king from the kingdom of Ile-Ife [1] and although he was the last born, he became the prime heir to Oduduwa at his return to claim his father's throne. [2] According to Yoruba history, he founded Oyo as its first Alaafin at around the year 1300 and one of his children, Eweka I, proceeded to become the first Oba of the Benin Empire .-------- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oranyan so clearly the yorubas own the word OBA |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Nobody: 10:20pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Michael004:Hey the fact that you're a "mumu" doesn't give you the right to call others the same, hopefully you will understand |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Michael004: 10:31pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Edoloaded:You are Mumu I said, cos if you aren't, you won't be saying nonsense. That why I didn't argue with you. |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Nobody: 10:31pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
aybabz101: Oramiyan the last son of Oduduwa returned to Ife from Benin after he installed his son, Eweka the first as Oba of Benin. He met his father Oduduwa who was very advanced in age and blind, more also all properties had been shared and distributed among his fifteen brothers and sisters. Alternatively, seven brothers according to Oba of Benin, Oduduwa was at a dilemma on what to do because he assumed Benin Kingdom would be enough as Oranmiyan's inheritance. Both version of history agreed that the name Benin meant "the land of the annoyed" because Oranmiyan left the place in annoyance. Again, Oba of Benin was right on this Oduduwa found an easy way out. He gave Oranmiyan his staff as symbol to show his brothers and sisters to be able to collect ten percent of revenue derived from yearly harvest through out Yoruba land. With this, Oranmiyan was able to collect over 150 percent of all the returns throughout the uncoordinated kingdom. Oduduwa also grudgingly agreed to allow his last son Oranmiyan to be king at Ile Ife after his death. The reason for this was unknown as this was against the custom and tradition of giving priority to first child or son who was Ila of Irangun. On the other hand, could it be said that Orangun was too afraid to challenge his junior brother or Oranmiyan was indeed the senior? This is something the present Orangun of Ila should explain. Oduduwa was primarily a priest and voodoo man. It is said until today that it is only one day that is free of ritual worship in Ile Ife and the day is never made public. Oduduwa took vacation just for one day. In one of the ritual ceremonies where nobody was allowed to be seen outside, a foreign woman of no means of tracing her background was captured and was to be used as scarifices for the gods. She was later spared because she was found to be pregnant beside, it was against ritual requirement. The child from the woman was dedicated to the gods and act as a servant to assist Oduduwa in his day-to-day ritual and voodoo job. The child was named Ooni: meaning "this is Spared One" After the death of Oduduwa his son, Oranmiyan was invited to take over the job of his father, which was primarily ritual and voodoo, as well as traditional ruler of Ile Ife. Oranmiyan refused because he had succeeded in building an economically viable place at Oyo Ile with administratively sound method of government around the Oyomesi council in chief and it would be degrading to leave this and move to Ile Ife to be involved in daily ritual sacrifices. Oranmiyan gave a condition that he must be buried at Ife to symbolise his right to Ife thrown. It was on condition of this that Ooni the son of the slave woman that was captured and dedicated to gods that was assisting Oduduwa continued the work of Oduduwa at Ife. This is the reason why ALafin of Oyo will never accept Ooni of Ife as a king or a superior in any Yoruba gathering of Obas. Ooni's assumed superiority was a British creation because the King of England assumed a king at Ife, the cradle of Yoruba, must be superior to all Obas just like the British did in Abeokuta by imposing Alake's superiority over other Obas at Abeokuta. In case of Egbas, Sorunke who led the Egbas from Ibadan to the present Abeokuta was from Oke Ona, where Oba Tejuoso is the King. This is the reason why there is conflict between Alake and Osile till date. Oranmiyan was buried at Ife and not at Oyo, which is the reason for the Opa Oranyan at Ife till today. Ooni was not a true son or direct descendant of Oduduwa and his title was not recognised. Ooni was just his name which became his title. Ooni like other Yoruba Obas paid duties to Oranmiyan during and after the death of Oduduwa. This practice stopped after the Oyo Empire was destroyed. It is rather difficult to accept the Ooni's version as against the Omonoba Polopolo. Oranmiyan was a belligerent person. A war hero and where his brothers and sister refused to give the yearly ten percent duty as agreed with the staff of Oduduwa he would use force. He later appointed his representatives in each of the kingdoms of Yoruba to monitor the returns, thus the creation of Oyo Empire that led to the end of the kingdom Oduduwa created which was not properly coordinated. The new empire grew with amazing rapidity throughout West Africa and was like the Ghana or Shonghai Empire of the medieval history in the south of Sahara. Oyo Empire started slave trade to weaken opposition. An administration like the British Oranmiyan's administration was the best in Africa and could be likened to the British system of Administration during the colonial government. The empire expanded up to the present Benin republic. Those who escaped the control of Alafin are the Yorubas living in Benin Republic, which was formerly Dahomey, On the East side, Oranmiyan never bothered Benin Kingdom because of his son, and his son never looked for him. At least there was no record of history of any transaction between father and son. Benin Kingdom continued to progress and Oyo Empire continued to expand to the west coast. In Lagos, there could not be a clash, it was a place of reunion for Edo's and Yoruba it was said Eko, which is Lagos, and in our local dialect is a Benin word. Oyo Empire later suffered from over expansion and some local hero started to emerge to challenge the authority of the Oyo kingdom or that of the Alafin of Oyo. Among them was the Lisabi Agboagbo Akala who liberated the Egbas from Oyo Empire to create a fearless Egba Kingdom. Lisabi was never a king. In fact, he was murdered by the Alake of Egbaland because of his popularity. Egbas as a kingdom with its own National Anthem "Lori Oke ati Pele" was merged with Nigeria by the British Empire after 1914. In addition, Lagelu emerged from Ibadan, Ogendegbe from Ijeshaland and Shou of Ogbomosho and Ilorin through the deserter Chief of Army Staff of Oyo who was killed by Alimi a Fulani; thus, the end of Oyo Empire. The attack from the Sokoto Caliphate from the North finally nailed the coffin of the Oyo Empire.The collapse of the Oyo Empire led to the Yoruba Wars. The present Oyo town has nothing to do with Old Oyo town, it was just a new creation to symbolise the memory of the Old. The Egbas and Ijebus took over the control of southwest towards the Atlantics because of lucrative slave trade and closeness to the white man. The emergence of western civilisation further weakened the Old Oyo empire, the empire collapsed and the ruminants of it can still be found at the old site. The irony of it is Alafin of Oyo in the present Oyo town continued to live in the memory of his ancestors' glory of the Old Oyo empire In conclusion, Ooni who is not a direct son or descendants of Oduduwa cannot be considered viable in this discussion, but Alafin of Oyo must examine his place in history and that of his senior brother Orangun of Ila the first son who had disappeared into history because he never challenged Oranmiyan. The abdication of the thrown is a loss of right. However, can a son be greater than his father? or can a river be greater than its source? The source of Yoruba from Benin is very authentic than Saudi Arabia or Lamurudu, which cannot be traced, in Saudi Arabian history |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Nobody: 10:50pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Oduduwa, the acknowledged founder-ancestor, the progenitor of the Yoruba nationality, was a stranger |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by aybabz101: 10:58pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Edoloaded: oranmiyan grew up at ile-ife b4 his father sent him to benin to rule. he got frustrated with d benins and installed his son ewaka as king ...my point is the word OBA belong to d yorubas nt benin ppl |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by deomelo: 11:09pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
“There is sufficient economic justification for the Gelegele port and we will raise funds from the private sector to develop the facility. We do not believe that the federal government will stop or discourage Edo State from building a Port that is economically viable,” he added. This is what credible, capable and dedicated leaders say and do. They go for it without waiting for and begging the FG or crying and shouting marginalization like some people love to do in Nigeria just because they have weak, lazy, vision less, spine less and incompetent village governors. 3 Likes |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Edopesin: 7:08am On Nov 03, 2017 |
Michael004:Grow Up Already Na? Whats With The Insult |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by alan056: 5:45pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
This is a lie from the pit of hell. what is the source of this, please? Edoloaded: |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Nobody: 6:53pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Michael004:obviously you were brought up by one |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Nobody: 7:06pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
LAGOS wont like this news |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Michael004: 7:45pm On Nov 03, 2017 |
Edoloaded:Ok. |
Re: Edo Govt Says No Going Back On Gelegele Seaport Project by Edopesin: 12:57pm On Nov 05, 2017 |
TrueSenator:Atall |
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