OtemSapien:
I think KingEbukasblog is more of a Christian Deism than just a Christian. I have never seen the guy speaking in favour of all the supposed fabulicious miracles ascribed to fictitious Jesus.

JackBizzle:



The guy should just admit that he is a deist. There is no such thing as a christian deist.

JackBizzle:



The guy should just admit that he is a deist. There is no such thing as a christian deist.

Proudgorgeousga:


"Christian deist"is a thing

hopefulLandlord:


did he call himself a Christian deist?

felixomor:
Hehehehehe
KingEbukasBlog is still giving people seizures..... Lol

JackBizzle:



Felixomoron, abeg, carry your mumu elsewhere. I take God beg you.

JackBizzle:


Sure. Just like "muslim feminist"

Proudgorgeousga:


Christian deists do not believe in apersonal God that interfere they just accept the moral teachings of Jesus Christ.

and yes Muslim feminists is a thing even though it may sound ridiculous to you.

felixomor:
Hehehehehe KingEbukasBlog is still giving people seizures..... Lol

Proudgorgeousga:


Christian deists do not believe in apersonal God that interfere they just accept the moral teachings of Jesus Christ.

and yes Muslim feminists is a thing even though it may sound ridiculous to you.

JackBizzle:


Sure. Just like "muslim feminist"

vaxx:
I could remember when I created a similar thread like this .....trying to identify religious focus atheist and science focus atheist .....calling them both irrational because they contradict themselves...... You guys were calling the thread all sorts of disgusted names.....


Hope you will be seeing the same sense I am trying to make in my thread here....

hopefulLandlord:


link to the thread in question?

vaxx:
ooh, both of us have a discussion on it

hopefulLandlord:
link?

vaxx:
https://www.nairaland.com/4093854/atheism-definition-problematic

JackBizzle:
Christian deism is a term for those who believe in christianity, especially the teachings of Jesus but reject the divinity and miracles.

It is an interesting take on christianity but it is deeply flawed;

JackBizzle:
1) It has glaring contradictions (an oxymoron)
How can you be a deist who does not believe in personal gods but follow the teachings of a man who claims to receive instructions from a personal God in heaven? How can a "non-personal" God inspire people to write a bible?

JackBizzle:
2) It has no agreed meaning How does this even relate to christianity.

JackBizzle:
Also, different christian deists agree and disagree on various aspects of Jesus's teaching.

JackBizzle:
3) It is rejected by mainstream christianity as there is no church that preaches it.

JackBizzle:
4) Jesus himself was not a deist. He was a full on theist who believed in a personal God

JackBizzle:
5) Christian deism has no real morals as it picks and chooses whatever moral teaching from Jesus it like.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Ebuka also talks about "logical theists"....

How can a theist be logical?

Except he is delusional.

budaatum:

Why?



We used to read stories about the hare and the tortoise when I was young. Would a lack of belief in any aspect of those stories stop one from being inspired by them? Does one have to believe in hare and tortoises to be inspired by them?


It has a meaning, you just don't want to allow it to have one. Please read the quote below for further comprehension


The fact that Christ is a source of their inspiration would make some people classify them as Christians.


The beliefs of the individual do not require mainstream acceptance. And one does not need a congregation to validate ones stance!


Some would argue he was a Jew but he seems to have stepped out of the box. It could also be argued that he has inspired one to do likewise, hence the personal position/perspective/ ideology etc.


I've heard that one before, and it goes like this:

"Atheists have no morals because they....."

Get the drift?

vaxx:
I could remember when I created a similar thread like this .....trying to identify religious focus atheist and science focus atheist .....calling them both irrational because they contradict themselves...... You guys were calling the thread all sorts of disgusted names.....


Hope you will be seeing the same sense I am trying to make in my thread here....

JackBizzle:

The points I made are very simple.

1. The God of the bible is a personal God. How can you be a deist and still follow Jesus or the bible when both of them make it clear that it is a prerequisite to believe in the personal God called Yahweh. No matter how you treat it, it is a contradiction. Christian Deism is an oxymoron.

JackBizzle:
2. The bible is written by men inspired by God. That is the common saying but you are right- "inspired" is not appropriate because it is an understatement. What I mean to convey is that the bible is written by men who were in contact with God. That is a personal God.

JackBizzle:
3. Being a christian is far more than just picking a few teachings of Jesus christ. After all, few of his teachings are universal in many philosphies and religion. So, because I agree with the golden rule, I am now a christian?

JackBizzle:
4. Jesus was not a deist. Simple and short.

JackBizzle:
5. If you are rejected by a mainstream of your religion, then you are not a valid school of thought within the religion. Even if your logic is sound, you are outside the religion. An outlier.

JackBizzle:
6. We have a christian deist here that tries to make moral arguments based on his christian deism. That is what I am challenging. The difference with atheists (especially humanists) is that they base their morality on logic/rationality. The christian deist ignores over 75% of the bible but still wants to use a form of religious morality. How?

budaatum:



What is meant by "believe in the personal God called Yahweh"? The fact that it is personal means my relationship is whatever I say it is. But I agree that it may seem contradictory and oxymoronic to perceived opinion


There's that "personal" again!


Bollocks, pardon my Spanish. A certain Christian prayed to God in Jesus name last night before going to rob a bank. A certain Pastor prayed for his congregation last Sunday in Church, took from the offering and went to a LovePeddler house afterwards in the jet he bought. Surely we have taken a "few of his teachings" and disregarded the bits that do not suit our purposes. We are a la carte Christians taking from the menu as suits our hypocritical needs. Jesus is still lord, we would claim, and saviour. We don't have to be perfect you know, and the fact that Jesus died to wash my sins away is a comforting bonus!


Jesus was what he was. Come on man! Some say Jesus was a god! Do I have to become a god too in order to followhim?

Buda is what buda is, least as far as buda is concerned. Simple and short


Rubbish. And sorry again, it's for effect and not aimed at you personally. Church, or mainstream may reject me, but I intend, first, to lie and make them think I am holy, and second, I can go to a different church and not tell them, and third and more importantly, I can do my worship in private. I wouldn't be the first one doing a Jacob nor do I need authority to be whatever sort of Christian I claim to be!


"Jesus is my lord and saviour. Jesus is not a god!" I have come to this conclusion based on logic and rational, as far as I am able to and it satisfies me. I may be an oxymoronic, non-mainstream, logical, rational, deist, atheist, Christian to some, but their opinion or label stamping, is not my problem!

My point is, ones relationship with ones god is inherentally subjective and personal to the individual.

JackBizzle:



You have given some good counter arguments. However, it all points to your summary that religion is just subjective bollocks. Anyone can claim anything nowadays. Women now call themselves "muslim feminists".

budaatum:

That's exactly my point. Thanks for seeing it.

By the way, muslim feminism is possible and desirable. It is a position that fights against the misogyny that some have justified with their interpretation of the relevant religious text. Whatever one thinks, those texts were enlightenment when they were written, and thought on it evolves. So one must beware not to take the text, or the interpretation some give it, as the god. Or as the Buddhist would claim, do not mistake the finger for the moon it points to.

Proudgorgeousga:


Christian deists do not believe in apersonal God that interfere they just accept the moral teachings of Jesus Christ.

and yes Muslim feminists is a thing even though it may sound ridiculous to you.

JackBizzle:






Keep helping the remixers of religion remix.

Thats how we ended up with "christian atheism".

JackBizzle:


Bro, your thread was attacked because the op did not make sense. There is no such thing as a moral atheist or a science atheist.