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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 11:33pm On Nov 02, 2017
goldfish80:

Well Tammy just rejected a chance to be paid handsomely to represent Nigeria. As a player, you must have had potential to be considered for a call up to represent a country of 200 million people.
It's not happenstance. National recognition doesn't come easy.

Nnamdi Odumadi was once highly rated in Italy. Ronaldinho named him as a player closest to his skill set in the AC Milan premeviera team. If he was born abroad, many people would have been up in arms if he didn't get a call up at the time.

Tammy has dual citizenship and can decide either way.

Oduamadi was once rated highly as a youngster but he did not improve. There was no strong reasons for an invitation to the senior team. He had not shown any thing of note at senior level. It is like saying Solanke should be invited to the England senior team based on his youth performances. Two different levels.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:35pm On Nov 02, 2017
Mujtahida:

The point is not about hat trick. Common it was against Tahiti. I watched that match and while I was rejoicing I still sensed that this is a flasher in action. Kanu didn't score much goals for Nigeria but his over all effect and game impact were top tops.

Where's Oduamadi today. He's still young. I respect Oduamadi - every human being deserves respect but footballwise Where is he?

I know it was only Tahiti. But the truth is that we have played countries of relative strength to Tahiti and still some of our super star players never scored a hattrick against them.

We played a stranded, badly beat up, war torn, Liberia. A country that couldn't boast of a stadium. Yet, our Super star players couldn't do a hattrick against them.

Like Igbos will say, ejiro onu etinye azu na ofe.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:35pm On Nov 02, 2017
The only problem people have with Nwakali is not because of talent but he is not in a glorified League.

Forgetting that he is not in a glorified League because of circumstances outside talent. I have stressed this many times and I am glad Rohr is looking outside the league hype.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:35pm On Nov 02, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


How will he prove himself when you people are against the coach given him a chance to prove himself? He is in a small club trying to make big things out of it and you want him nominated for best player as if your innit Queen loving nominees are best players.

National team is not dumping ground for every d...h....it is for those who have distinguished themselves among the rest. As it is Chidiebere Nwakali is not qualified to be given any chance ahead of those who are doing well better than him. They didn't get to where they through magomago way like chidiebere is about to do.

He is not the best in Norway neither is he considered for any award because he is not pleasant to behold even in the low low lowly Norwegian league. Sorry.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:37pm On Nov 02, 2017
The true losses is not people like Alli who does not care about us but not doing our best to make the best out of gems we unearth ourselves.. .. TheGoodJoe

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:39pm On Nov 02, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
The only problem people have with Nwakali is not because of talent but he is not in a glorified League.

Forgetting that he is not in a glorified League because of circumstances outside talent. I have stressed this many times and I am glad Rohr is looking outside the league hype.

If he is goog enough why is he not considered for any tangible award in Lowly Norwegian league?

So, other Nigerians wey hustle reach where dem dey no get circumstances and no like better things, na?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:39pm On Nov 02, 2017
forgiveness:


National team is not dumping ground for every d...h....it is for those who have distinguished themselves among the rest. As it is Chidiebere Nwakali is not qualified to be given any chance ahead of those who are doing well better than him. They didn't get to where they through magomago way like chidiebere is about to do.

He is not the best in Norway neither is he considered for any award because he is not pleasant to behold even in the low low lowly Norwegian league. Sorry.

Nigeria is not innit where you do not get hindered by work permit and other racial factors. It is a longer road. That is why we have to go the extra mile to polish our true gems to shine. That is why Westerhof found a true gem like Oliseh, polished him with the National team and he shone for the World to see.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:39pm On Nov 02, 2017
Lol the goodjoe has added flavor. These days every message is a finito back to back. OK oo

We alrdy have "o pari" now "finito" and counting...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:41pm On Nov 02, 2017
tbaba1234:


Tammy has dual citizenship and can decide either way.

Oduamadi was once rated highly as a youngster but he did not improve. There was no strong reasons for an invitation to the senior team. He had not shown any thing of note at senior level. It is like saying Solanke should be invited to the England senior team based on his youth performances. Two different levels.

I guess this is the point we dilly dally on when best it is to call up a player. Do we wait till the player have blown? Or do we invite them over and integrate them early if they have the potential.

Do you know Siasia and Simon Kalika wanted to build the Super Eagles attack around Victor Moses and Oduamadi?
I read the spreadsheet interview by Kalika where he stated as much.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:41pm On Nov 02, 2017
forgiveness:


If he is goog enough why is he not considered for any tangible award in Lowly Norwegian league?

So, other Nigerians wey hustle reach where dem dey no get circumstances and no like better things, na?

I have told you, he is good enough. That was why Brendan Rodgers wanted him. That was why Pellegrini took him on tour with Manchester City before he injured. That is why City have refused to sell him.

He is in a lowly-rated League because of circumstances, not lack of talent. Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 11:41pm On Nov 02, 2017
komekn:


I am unable to understand your position.

Ngolo Kante a few years couldn't even get a club so he played 3rd tier, then 2nd tier before primotion to French league 1. In all this time he was a million miles away from the French team.

Walsh at Liecester City and his scouting team identified him as a prospect. Paid the modest £5 million for him. From there he set the premiership on Fire then got a call up to the French National team.

He was not called to the French team when he was at Boulogne or Caen. It was after he was proven and tested in the EPL that he got his first cap.

So can you explain how this journey of Kante and or Mahrez has any relationship or similarity with Nwakali.

All players start somewhere either at the top or the bottom. Each level you play is a test, which will if you perform propel you to the next higher level. Where you start is irrelevant it is how you progress.

If you are cutting it week in week out with consistent top quality outstanding performances, no matter the league you will get noticed. Then you will progress, but you will not remain in the backwater leagues unless you are not truly good enough.

My view he has not progresed enough to for a call up just in the same way the bench warmer at lowly Wolfsburg Osimhen. For any of them to be called to the SE

Are they better than the hundreds of Nigerian players in far better teams playing week in and weak out.

You earn your call up to the SE by the consistent performances that put in at your parent club. Not because the scouting crew think you are good. If you are good prove it in your club performance Finito.

There's no doubt that your position is a sensible one namely that players should pass through the filters of competition at strong clubs and leagues before national team call up. But at the same time such laws should not be rigidly applied. The truth however is that in our own case they are no standards. That's where we are at now.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:43pm On Nov 02, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Nigeria is not innit where you do not get hindered by work permit and other racial factors. It is a longer road. That is why we have to go the extra mile to polish our true gems to shine. That is why Westerhof found a true gem like Oliseh, polished him with the National team and he shone for the World to see.

So, na only chidiebere Nwakali be hustler? The rest don't need work permit!?

Oga! This is not the era of Oliseh where almost all the players played in the national team before them go obodo oyinbo.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 11:43pm On Nov 02, 2017
Page 2000 looking at us like

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:46pm On Nov 02, 2017
Chrismario:


Highly rated then abi now?
The guy just fall hand 100%. Federico macheda twin bro
Macheda got an Italian call up when he burst through the scene. Players get called up if the national team managers think they have potentials.
Nnamdi Oduamadi didn't get a call up for doing nothing at the time. He was very close to the AC Milan first team just like we have the right back at Roma now.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 11:46pm On Nov 02, 2017
komekn:

Who is Doherty
Convener of team Nigeria UK. Buhari Doherty
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:49pm On Nov 02, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I have told you, he is good enough. That was why Brendan Rodgers wanted him. That was why Pellegrini took him on tour with Manchester City before he injured. That is why City have refused to sell him.

He is in a lowly-rated League because of circumstances, not lack of talent. Finito.

If he is good enough let him find his way to the top like Kayode, Awoniyi etc

After all, Awoniyi was also denied the opportunity to play with Liverpool due to work permit but we no here noise .

You have three children who needs work permit but you singled out one leaving the rest. What should that be called? Nepotism and ....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:49pm On Nov 02, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Chidiebere Nwakali is proving himself enough to get a call-up for assessment. If he was innit doing what he is doing in Championship or League one, you would have been screaming for him.

Rohr knows England is not the only place to find talents. That is why he stuck to Shehu and proved most critiques wrong. He will look farther and not get caught up with some mail, post, graph hypes.

I have sat with at least ten different HOD of recruitment in the premiership over the last 10 years. In all cases there is a balance score card system of sorts to determine players selection.

Never is selection done on the hunch and perception of one coach. Unless the performances are so outstanding that there is no debate.

That will be the case of top performing players.

This is not about England but the best leagues in the world, whether it is the MLS which is comprehensively ahead of the Nordic leagues by a huge margin.

A player in a third from bottom team in a league rated 30 in Europe is a non starter. I actually would rate the NPFL higher than the Norwegian league

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 11:52pm On Nov 02, 2017
forgiveness:


If he is good enough let him find his way to the top like Kayode, Awoniyi etc

After all, Awoniyi was also denied the opportunity to play with Liverpool due to work permit but we no here noise .

You have children who needs work permit but you singled out one leaving the rest. What should that be called? Nepotism and ....

Awoniyi dae top? shocked

Issokay
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 11:53pm On Nov 02, 2017
goldfish80:


I know it was only Tahiti. But the truth is that we have played countries of relative strength to Tahiti and still some of our super star players never scored a hattrick against them.

We played a stranded, badly beat up, war torn, Liberia. A country that couldn't boast of a stadium. Yet, our Super star players couldn't do a hattrick against them.

Like Igbos will say, ejiro onu etinye azu na ofe.
So because of the hat trick Oduamadi should continue in the team? Mba scored the goal that won for us our third nations cup. Where's Mba today. Football is a performance sport, it's results driven. It's not like our politics where for purposes of political patronage and settlement people are compensated/rewarded with juicy appointments and they go seat there and do nada. In football you are 'compensated' too but your performance this round, guarantees your 'compensation' next round. It's a law: you must perform. You don't, you get kicked out.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:55pm On Nov 02, 2017
jotey:


Awoniyi dae top? shocked

Issokay

At least, higher about one chidiebere Nwakali who some people wants to use the national team to resuscitate his career.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 11:59pm On Nov 02, 2017
goldfish80:


I guess this is the point we dilly dally on when best it is to call up a player. Do we wait till the player have blown? Or do we invite them over and integrate them early if they have the potential.

Do you know Siasia and Simon Kalika wanted to build the Super Eagles attack around Victor Moses and Oduamadi?
I read the spreadsheet interview by Kalika where he stated as much.

Let's say a player is invited based on potential. At some point, it has got to register that he does not cut it at senior level yet. For many, it was confusing to see Oduamadi playing so many games when he was not at that level.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 11:59pm On Nov 02, 2017
Udoukhai has been invited to Germany under 21...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:02am On Nov 03, 2017
Mujtahida:

So because of the hat trick Oduamadi should continue in the team? Mba scored the goal that won for us our third nations cup. Where's Mba today. Football is a performance sport, it's results driven. It's not like our politics where for purposes of political patronage and settlement people are compensated/rewarded with juicy appointments and they go seat there and do nada. In football you are 'compensated' too but your performance this round, guarantees your 'compensation' next round. It's a law: you must perform. You don't, you get kicked out.
You probably haven't been following my small talk with tbaba1234.
The anchor point of my argument is that every player deserves respect in their own right.

If we take stock, you will realise that most players fans usually have a go at have somewhat justified their inclusion in the team. Obviously not every player,but you get my drift.

Infact, the much maligned Paul Onobi won man of the match award in an AFCON qualifier game played in Port Harcourt.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 12:03am On Nov 03, 2017
tbaba1234:
Udoukhai has been invited to Germany under 21...

Today get as e b
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:05am On Nov 03, 2017
good point!

ChrisKels:


Since una dey fear to call names, make I cause trouble bkus my Papa tell me say if I wan chase out owl from my courtyard, say make I tell d owl the particular tree wey in dey petch Dat moment.

Eheeee Da komekn and Da forgiveness ur boys are showing where their hearts lie with their reaction to this issue at hand. Before you go try call dis assertion ur usually word "prejudice", plz tell me how many of dem dat thumbed up Aina and Iwobi when they made their Eagles debut.

D next time wey una go ever ridicule our boys just to make those innit boys look better eeehhh. I dun comot red eye for u and forgiveness lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:06am On Nov 03, 2017
goldfish80:

You probably haven't been following my small talk with tbaba1234.
The anchor point of my argument is that every player deserves respect in their own right.

If we take stock, you will realise that most players fans usually have a go at have somewhat justified their inclusion in the team. Obviously not every player,but you get my drift.

Infact, the much maligned Paul Onobi won man of the match award in an AFCON qualifier game played in Port Harcourt.
I followed your discussion with him. The point- and he emphasised this - is that it's no disrespect to analyse a players performance.
and for me it's not about hat tricks or about MOTM. It's about consistent quality performance.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:06am On Nov 03, 2017
The previous time he did not honor it abi?

tbaba1234:
Udoukhai has been invited to Germany under 21...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 12:08am On Nov 03, 2017
forgiveness:


At least, higher about one chidiebere Nwakali who some people wants to use the national team to resuscitate his career.

You are always downgrading a player you don't want in the national team

It is not good for your health

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:12am On Nov 03, 2017
tbaba1234:


Let's say a player is invited based on potential. At some point, it has got to register that he does not cut it at senior level yet. For many, it was confusing to see Oduamadi playing so many games when he was not at that level.
Funny enough, this was the exact same thing I said about Ekong. He was a joke player when he first got invites to the Super Eagles.
He was very bad at ball distribution (still suck at that), swings wildly at crosses like a drunk and generally very incompetent for this level. It's a small miracle he is as good as he is now.

Football managers are not wizards. They are humans like everybody else. This is why fair chances should be given to everyone. You never can tell where the next gem could come from.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:12am On Nov 03, 2017
jotey:


You are always downgrading a player you don't want in the national team

It is not good for your health

Do you want me to show you how you downgraded Ajagun on this thread?

If it is not you then I will show you those that downgraded players like Awoniyi, Kayode etc
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:17am On Nov 03, 2017
Mujtahida:

I followed your discussion with him. The point- and he emphasised this - is that it's no disrespect to analyse a players performance.
and for me it's not about hat tricks or about MOTM. It's about consistent quality performance.

He was comparing Egwuekwe with Otigba. The tone in his comparison was quite derogatory to Egwuekwe. No disrespect to Otigba, but Its not like Egwuekwe was being compared to Cannavaro.
It was a witch hunt not analysis.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:18am On Nov 03, 2017
ChrisKels:


Since una dey fear to call names, make I cause trouble bkus my Papa tell me say if I wan chase out owl from my courtyard, say make I tell d owl the particular tree wey in dey petch Dat moment.

Eheeee Da komekn and Da forgiveness ur boys are showing where their hearts lie with their reaction to this issue at hand. Before you go try call dis assertion ur usually word "prejudice", plz tell me how many of dem dat thumbed up Aina and Iwobi when they made their Eagles debut.

D next time wey una go ever ridicule our boys just to make those innit boys look better eeehhh. I dun comot red eye for u and forgiveness lol

Na my fault? Zaha did the same thing but he ended playing for Cote di vior.

This is just a friendly and that's all. I will fight tooth and nail until the end because the boy is talented abeg. He is another Dele Ali.

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