Statsocial:

This is just plain funny to me.. You apply one rule for the Catholic Church and apply another for yourselves. That is double standards Sir!

1) Have you seen the School fees of University of Notre Dame($40,000), University of Georgetown($40,000), Loyola Marymount University, Villanova University etc are all expensive universities that poor people even in the US can't afford unless they take loans.
Loyola Jesuit College(secondary school) in Abuja is 2.8 million naira per year, that is more than x 3 of Covenant uni school fees in this same Nigeria. So who is deceiving who?

You must think you are talking to a novice on Catholic matters. I would school you regarding your church Sir.
You have expensive schools yet you curse out those who also have. Your pope uses a private plane yet you want to twist it to make him look humble. Can I as a person choose to fly with the pope as a fellow commuter? Yet you are deceiving yourself that it is not a private plane.
You go near the popes private plane when it is taking off and see whether you won't be shot and covered by his numerous body guards.

We are talking about ur mega pastor's universities and someone is screaming universities in the US.
Soon u will tell me Cambridge and Oxford are catholic universities. Or that universities in Aberdeen, Manchester, Carite are all catholic universities.
With all due respect sir, U are ignorant of facts. Best u accept ur ignorance so that new things can be added unto what u don't know.
And yes before pope john paul's twice attempted assassination. It was known that normal passengers board the same flight as the pope. Infact my dad once was opportuned to be in a flight the then pope accompanied back to Rome. Things changed and secruity beefed up after those attempts on john paul's life.
Like I said, get ur story straight.

Maximus85:


Lol, N4b on electricity annually. Hmmmm Akiiiika!
Useless liars, they still collect billions in tithe every month. They should use that in running the schools and the church. The school should be free. Except if they stop collecting tithe.

Now you are not ressoning well?
They can make the school fee cheap if their income can cover their expenditure properly.
Don't be an ignorant that's just talking without facts. Private Universities owned by churches, mosques or individuals are costly to maintain.
Daddy Freeze and others like him talk out of context some times.

drnoel:


We are talking about ur mega pastor's universities and someone is screaming universities in the US.
Soon u will tell me Cambridge and Oxford are catholic universities. Or that universities in Aberdeen, Manchester, Carite are all catholic universities.
With all due respect sir, U are ignorant of facts. Best u accept ur ignorance so that new things can be added unto what u don't know.
And yes before pope john paul's twice attempted assassination. It was known that normal passengers board the same flight as the pope. Infact my dad once was opportuned to be in a flight the then pope accompanied back to Rome. Things changed and secruity beefed up after those attempts on john paul's life.
Like I said, get ur story straight.

Lol you are really funny indeed. Are you trying to tell me that those Universities I mentioned aren't Catholic Fine why not Check the tuition fees of Augustine University Lagos, Godfrey Okoye University, Enugu, Veritas University Abuja, and come to tell me if it is affordable for the so called poor man on the streets.

By the way you seem to erroneously think that Living Faith, RCCG schools belong to Oyedepo and Adeboye. Oyedepo does not have a University to his name neither does Adeboye. All registered to the Church's name so don't come here with the blah blah mega pastor owns a School that poor ppl can't afford story when your own Church universities ain't free either.

Statsocial:

Lol you are really funny indeed. Are you trying to tell me that those Universities I mentioned aren't Catholic Fine why not Check the tuition fees of Augustine University Lagos, Godfrey Okoye University, Enugu, Veritas University Abuja, and come to tell me if it is affordable for the so called poor man on the streets.

By the way you seem to erroneously think that Living Faith, RCCG schools belong to Oyedepo and Adeboye. Oyedepo does not have a University to his name neither does Adeboye. All registered to the Church's name so don't come here with the blah blah mega pastor owns a School that poor ppl can't afford story when your own Church universities ain't free either.

Hmm, well u may know much better than I do as regards which pastors own which churches, universities or private jets. I don't attend those churches so I only know what every outsider knows. But don't come and tell me anything of the catholic church when u know nothing about it.

PointZerom:


Acquiring physical things wasn't part of His earthly ministry including marriage.

but he learnt carpentry work. Just to survive and also work with his earthly father Joseph. That one Na spiritual things? Jesus actually set a fine example for xtians to keep our eyes simple. He didn't depend on contribution to feed there were very much possibility he engaged in his carpentry work. He showed xtian dy can live a meanful life without accumulating earthly possession for themselves. Remember what he told Zach when he asked Jesus that he wanted to be his follower?.

So Op from the reference u made, are you trying to imply that the fact that pope Francis chartered (borrowed) an Alititalia aircraft where he travelled with his entourage, can now be compared with owning (or keeping as u said) and maintaining your GO's private jet?

Clearly..pope can travel with flight A and come back with Flight Y, depending on the availability...i wonder the rationale behind comparing owning a jet and borrowing a jet.
On the number of passenger's, if your family charters a bus to travel to xmas from lagos to Abuja, do they travel together with other passengers ?


God told Noah to build the ark, but while building it, Noah used measurements! Which implies there should be a place for rationale thinking in Christianity.

PointZerom:



Na lie, Jesus Christ used the highest means of transportation during his time (horse), if jets were available during that time, he would have used it as well.

You lied bro... Jesus never own or used a horse.
The donkey he even used when he went to Jerusalem was borrowed.

Please stop making blind argument.

The Pope uses a commercial jet. Do you want to tell me Winners chapel and redeem has more branches than the Roman Catholic?

Where is now the humility Jesus was preaching about in the Bible?

This guys don’t just fly private, the cars they drive can even change someone generations life.

What about the body guard they walk around with?

Let’s call a spade a spade and not shovel.

PrecisionFx:




"" Nigerians are not stupid or gullible"" - Nigerians are extremely gullible people, especially the Christians .

Jesus never walked on earth as a Savior or as Christ, That's why the Hebrews never accepted him as a God till today, they know he's just a bloddy carpenters son n nothing more, he went about saying that he's the king of kings and that he's God, They warned him to stop saying such and he refused,then the Israelites killed him ...... Hebrews are still followers of Judaism and they are waiting for their Savior to come n die for their sins , Or do u think the people alive wen Jesus was born didn't know Mary was living in a mans house n got pregnant.. .


Matthew 9:28.

28 When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”

“Yes, Lord,” they replied.

Only an idiot will read the above n conclude that Jesus owned a house .


U have absolutely no understanding of that phrase "eye of a needle".....In the olden times they live in cities surrounded with a very high wall and 1 or more big gates and at night the guards will close those gates. Merchants who come back late in the night wen the gate has been closed pass thru a small opening on the wall called ''eye of a needle" and due to how small that passage is, it's usually very difficult for a Camel(mode of transport in those times because the middle east is mainly a desert n there's very little water around and camels which need less water is preferred for transportation as against using horses).

So brow chill down n stop thinking that the eye of a needle being talked about was a camel and needle used for sowing clothes

If you had gone up that very scripture, Matt 9', you would have noticed that it started by telling you that he was in his city. I don't know how a man that could generate money from a fish would be without a house in his own city ,a man who could feed five thousand men with a little boys pack.

I am very sure you consider yourself a scholar for knowing that eye of the needle is a gateway in ancient Jerusalem but for your information it is public knowledge for every one who knows what Bible commentary is. You were so in a hurry to 'teach' me your new knowledge that you failed to see that i stated that Jesus Christ pacified the disciples, afterward.

Now to the subject matter: rich or no rich .... I was explaining in my comment that Jesus wasn't poor neither was the disciples poor folks otherwise kwhen Jesus was addressing the rich and heaven they would have been happy that he was talking about the rich not getting into heaven but no, they were worried and was asking one another who then would make heaven


You need to go back to the comment you quoted and stop being Ina hurry to display elementary knowledge like a new found secret ... If you need books, ask me for them

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.... Matt 5:17 ..... Jesus on the law


Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone...... Matt 23:23 .... Jesus on tithe

And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.... Heb 7:8 .... Paul on tithe



Explain three scriptures above against your argument; by the way, is there a God for the Jews and another for the christians and if so is there a Jesus in heaven according to Heb 7:8 for the Jews and another Jesus for us chrisrians?

DanXplore:


It was recorded that Abraham tithed once, and never again was there a record of Abraham tithing. In principle, he tithed as a form of honour to Melchezedek. Never was there any other mention of Abraham tithing; the passage you quoted even reveals that according to the transcendent property of tithing, Abraham tithed on behalf of the Levites. If we are Abraham's children, then by the same logic, we tithed to Melchizedek through Abraham. You also mentioned that we are after Abraham's blessings. Is there a portion of Abraham's blessings that could only be accessed through tithing? When God was instructing Israel through prophet Isaiah to follow the steps Abraham and Sarah, was he referring to religious tithing or genuine righteousness? Do you understand what the scripture meant by Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, by being made a curse for us? We access Abraham's blessings through Jesus Christ and not by doing the carnal things Abraham did.
If tithes are used for the purpose of God's work, then what are offerings to be used for? Do not get me wrong, If the church presents a genuine goal, and the body of Christ agrees that 10% of one's income should be donated to meet the goal, then it is fine. But saying that tithing is still in force because we are Abraham's blessings is just wrong. Circumcision was done by Abraham even before the law. Why then did Paul say it was not necessary? Saying we should do the tithing of Abraham and not the levites is not any less ridiculous as saying we should do the circumcision of Abraham and not the circumcision of the law.

Again, God was talking to the Jews who were under the law and not Christians who are not under the law. When scripture says workers are to be paid their wages, did it say christians must contribute tithes to pay workers? please post a direct reference where Christ mentioned that christians should continue with the old tithing system so that workers could be paid. Nevertheless, i agree that a certain amount should be reserved by the church members for workers. You could name it tithe or what ever u want. A christian with conscience should know that a true Man of God deserves more than 10%. But when one begins to teach that it is a command that christians should pay tithe as done before the new covenant, then that is error

Launching, bazaar sales , raffle draws and all forms of Levy's are not God's way for his church and it is the reason it takes those who engage such gimmickry to raise funds years to complete any project they embarks on even going to borrow sometimes. People come to launching and make pledges they never redeem and in today Nigeria, it is foolishness to be a chief launcher of anymkind, they pick up everything avaiduring bazaar and never pay afterwards

smartcet:


You lied bro... Jesus never own or used a horse.
The donkey he even used when he went to Jerusalem was borrowed.

Please stop making blind argument.

The Pope uses a commercial jet. Do you want to tell me Winners chapel and redeem has more branches than the Roman Catholic?

Where is now the humility Jesus was preaching about in the Bible?

This guys don’t just fly private, the cars they drive can even change someone generations life.

What about the body guard they walk around with?

Let’s call a spade a spade and not shovel.

The pope doesn't deserve a private jet because he doesn't travel as often as the leadership of winners or redeem . Another thing is that his account can't fund it even if he needs it ... Membership is being rolled back by the Pentecostals... America , the highest financiers of the pope , they have sold entire church and other assets because they became idle and cost centres ... Many branches if the church has closed for lack of devotees


3 billion dollars was used to settle gay priest issues in America alone

drnoel:


I doubt he even needs one. Not that the catholic church can't buy him one, mind u

The pope doesn't have a private jet and doesn't deserve one ..,and even if wanted one , his Peter pence cant maintain one. .., the entire catholic world raised 75 million dollars for the pope in a year and it went into subheads that was suppose to be the primary responsibility of the church


Unless some group of persons come up and say they want him to have one , it would be difficult for the church that is selling assets in Europe and America to keep a jet on standby for somebody who rarely travels.


The catholic church members are , in the main, not givers ... In your branch is it not 5 and 10 naira that dominates your offering box? Talk true ... Members are leaving for other churches and doing what they didn't do as catholics. Give big

what's with these arguments, some private cars owned by Nigerians are more expensive than the private jets we are talking about.
A McLaren P1 LM cost about $3.7 million while you can get a private jet for $500,000. For a pastor like G.O of RCCG that has been selling his daily devotional, the Open heavens for millions of copy and knowing one copy will cost above $1, for over 10 years you think he can't afford it. Its useless arguing when you don't wish to see.

kraftyiyk:
So Op from the reference u made, are you trying to imply that the fact that pope Francis chartered (borrowed) an Alititalia aircraft where he travelled with his entourage, can now be compared with owning (or keeping as u said) and maintaining your GO's private jet?

Clearly..pope can travel with flight A and come back with Flight Y, depending on the availability...i wonder the rationale behind comparing owning a jet and borrowing a jet.
On the number of passenger's, if your family charters a bus to travel to xmas from lagos to Abuja, do they travel together with other passengers ?


God told Noah to build the ark, but while building it, Noah used measurements! Which implies there should be a place for rationale thinking in Christianity.

The point is he very much boycotted a commercial airline which he could as well use if he was truly averse to the use of private planes. I don't know if the Alitalia plane was chartered with money(which is likely) but the fact is he does convey himself with the use of a private plane. No one is stopping the pope from using the normal commercial airliners that we all use nah. On the other hand if someone like Oyedepo had to rent a private plane everytime he travelled then I'm sure the church would eventually spend a fortune-hence the need for the church to buy one.

Themandator:




If you had gone up that very scripture, Matt 9', you would have noticed that it started by telling you that he was in his city. I don't know how a man that could generate money from a fish would be without a house in his own city ,a man who could feed five thousand men with a little boys pack.

I am very sure you consider yourself a scholar for knowing that eye of the needle is a gateway in ancient Jerusalem but for your information it is public knowledge for every one who knows what Bible commentary is. You were so in a hurry to 'teach' me your new knowledge that you failed to see that i stated that Jesus Christ pacified the disciples, afterward.

Now to the subject matter: rich or no rich .... I was explaining in my comment that Jesus wasn't poor neither was the disciples poor folks otherwise kwhen Jesus was addressing the rich and heaven they would have been happy that he was talking about the rich not getting into heaven but no, they were worried and was asking one another who then would make heaven


You need to go back to the comment you quoted and stop being Ina hurry to display elementary knowledge like a new found secret ... If you need books, ask me for them

Keep wallowing in ur self inflicted ignorance.

PrecisionFx:



Keep wallowing in ur self inflicted ignorance.

Ok. You have exhausted your quotes and their origin ... No idea again

Use dictionary.com ... It has a section for quotes and their origin , that is if that is not where you got the camel and needle from


In your warp reasoning a man who gave out two boats loaded with fish to Peter was living in IDP camp to demonstrate humility .abi ... If that was the case , then know he was faking it


A man with a personal treasurer in Judas who stayed on the earth for thirty three years and the half was roaming everywhere without a shelter , the man who transferred his spirit for wealth to me and died poor so I can be rich ...Have you ever given out what you don't have?


Continue in your delusion that poverty is godliness. ...Psalm 35:27 says bless be the Lord who takes pleasure in the prosperity of his people not their poverty.


The spirit of poverty fall on anyone who wants another man to exhibit poverty with his life ... Whatever you sow you reap.



NB: this is my original comment where you left the subject matter to pursue an irrelevant issue just because it is a new idea to you ... A lady with brain would have focus on the deduction from the satayement but not you since you have a new idea that must be passed on in a forum .. the quotes is a used by Jesus , not mine addition so if you were looking for who to teach the meaning it ought to have been Jesus who used it for I gave substance to what he said

Sorry but you are the one that need sense and not the other way round . Jesus owned a house ... Read Matt 9:28 and his disciples weren't a collection of poor folks for when Jesus said it was easier for the camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to make heaven his disciples didn't leap for joy but were worried asking themselves who then would make heaven ... Everyone of them was worried until jesus pacified them

Finally, if your so called sense doesn't make your bank manager a personal friend that calls you by name because of worth to his or where branch financially, it is useless to you ... Join the gullible team

drnoel:


No name calling here? How did u arrive at that. Calling u a lost cause was no form of name calling with all due respect. I repeat sir, the catholic pope doesn't use or own a private jet. Maybe ur pastors do own some jets, but not the pope. If that truth is bothering u then deal with it. The Pope is ofcos several categories higher than ur pastors, after all he doesnt preach prosperity, wealth, he doesn't own a private jet, he doesn't own universities where its congregation can't afford school fees and he is completely humble and willing to accept all back in the folds of God and Christianity. These differences are gleaming and clear wether u accept it or not.

I am so sorry for you. Ur attempts to justify what is not justifiable. It is so sad that it bothers on hypocrisy. OMG these pastors have really robbed nigerian christians of their will to differentiate between right and wrong

How much is Loyola college fee?

Dindondin:
I spot your sacarsm.
And it's due to your lack of understanding of how a standard private University is runned.
These private Universities are costly to maintain. There must be constant electricity, water, payment of staff, provision of amenities. All these our public Universities are lacking. That's why they go on strike anyhow.
Recently Babcock University said they spend N4b on power generation annually, Afe Babalola University built a multi million naira hospital. You, Mr Nasa28 if you own such school will your fees be as cheap as that of public Universities?
Am sure you ll say shebi these schools were built with tithes and offering of parents or members of such church. Well, the reality is their is huge discount for bonafide members. Ask insiders of RCCG if they don't consider ministers children's school fees.

My dear, the fees are much biko.

If you don't want people to complain, then build the school with your own money. People contribute money to build a school. It should be profit free dear.

Nasa28:


My dear, the fees are much biko.

If you don't want people to complain, then build the school with your own money. People contribute money to build a school. It should be profit free dear.

If I build a school from donations, they ll still be paying school fees.
The donation has to be regular if school fees ll not be paid.
Ask yourself these questions
How ll schools be maintained? How ll they keep up with the school's expenditures yearly?
Who taught you arithmetic?
You just chose to overlook to pros and cons of why missionary school fees are high. You fail to see the real reasons and positives they do but just to criticise blindly like DaddyFreeze!

PointZerom:


Ship was the highest and He used it.

Ship or Boat?
Do you know the difference? Jesus couldn't have ridden on a ship if you are thinking of the sea of Galilee which is just a lake. Does ships navigate lakes?

Some people have peddled lies to scam children of God. I believe that giving is part of Christianity the question is, to who should we give? To God or the men who call themselves MOGs.

Even then on land, the donkey as a means of transportation was very low.

Investnow2017:


If they were heros that would hv been understandable. We are talking about religious fraudsters here who are deeply enmeshed in frivolities and vanities. Very sad. They said they were called, i think by the very god of this world. The apostle Paul, Aquila and Priscilia were all tent makers. They did that to care for their ministry. Acts 18:2, 3.

For lying and duping people in the name of God these so-called men of god stand to receive HEAVIER judgement. If only they know what is coming at them unless they repent thoroughly from their evil practices.

I agree with you.
That's why Jesus said that on the day of Judgement, some will say to Him,
..Lord in Your Name we did this and that....and He will say to them, I NEVER KNEW You, DEPART fro Me, you workers of Iniquity

Themandator:



How much is Loyola college fee?

U are funny. The catholic pope does not run or own Layola university. Loyola university is a catholic university cos it was established by catholic organizations, the catholic church itself has no form of influence of the university. U that claim u know everything while u know nothing, am surprised u don't know that?

drnoel:


U are funny. The catholic pope does not run or own Layola university. Loyola university is a catholic university cos it was established by catholic organizations, the catholic church itself has no form of influence of the university. U that claim u know everything while u know nothing, am surprised u don't know that?

You should re read this your coment....The school is established by catholic organisation but the church doesn't have or exert any influence on them? So the church teaching on cheap school and opinions are of no consequence to them? They can charge as much as 2 million for a secondary school.


Are they not supposed to be champions of cheap and affordable school since they are Priest with no marital responsibility.

Themandator:



You should re read this your coment....The school is established by catholic organisation but the church doesn't have or exert any influence on them? So the church teaching on cheap school and opinions are of no consequence to them? They can charge as much as 2 million for a secondary school.


Are they not supposed to be champions of cheap and affordable school since they are Priest with no marital responsibility.

There is a difference and u know that. Ur mega pastors own those jets and enjoy luxury living. Such a thing can never happen in the church.

drnoel:


There is a difference and u know that. Ur mega pastors own those jets and enjoy luxury living. Such a thing can never happen in the church.

And the pope owns the plane glass bullet proof pope mobile and enjoy the luxury of it all alone .... for your information, if Bishop Oyedepo knew the scripture as he did and lived any where below what is his reality today I wouldn't have been convinced of his knowledge


He is a showroom of what he teaches and I believe him. As a Catholic i never had any hunger for the Bible, just the extract called bulletin , I was amongst the top three in my catechism class for holy communion and confirmation but yet still, like many Catholics, went to other places for prayers and prophecy... many so called Catholics are members only on Sunday's and memebers of various prayer and prophetic ministries where the leaders live on their means which they pay out for deliverance and sundry activities, from Monday's through Saturday

Go to any of those prayer contractors and seers and just tell them to announce that hencefort they would want to deal with their members according to their denominations and see what happens, you so called Catholics will be found to make up 95% of the memberships and the reason being that you are largely spiritually empty and running from pillar to post looking for help.


Just for making me hunger after the word and not man, Bishop Oyedepo deserve to live even much more than he is doing now. I am forever a surprise to myself ...me open Christian books and read ...taaaa.....not those ones on defense of religion but reality Christian books


How can a man who says to you, ...church is a not social club ... it is a spiritual club, don't waste your time in church on social event. If it is not spiritual it is not beneficial .... How can I not love a man who declares launching illegal, that every church was launched the day JSU's inaugurated the church ...a man who stopped the home cells from collecting offering even Thkugh they remit such to the church saying it is a meeting place for brethren , who doesn't sell bulletin but actuall gives glossy ones for free


No gimmicks to get money from people like everyone coming to the front for offering , no awards or special recognition for doing anything, no raffle draws ... how can I sincerely need such a one when he ends up with a jets when he has never put me under pressure to give



For just making me love God p, he deserve a much more ... i was before now a Christian by name but not anymore ...I am a Christian by conviction today and that is because Oyedepo ministry made me taste the power of God , first hand


If you want to know why Winners are deceived by Oyedepo I will tell you here and now: not up to 2 percent of winnners joined as rich guys ...98% were disillusioned, poor and miserable when theory joined , they had questions their former place (Catholics church) could not answer

They came and within three months could see tangible improvements in their living standard because the covenant ark (word) had entered ... giving to them is so that other can be reached and if it takes a Plan to reach them so must it be



Your pope can't have a private plane and the reason is because your members are living for other Pentecost church...read up what's up with the pope Peter pence ...churches are being sold off in America to offset liabilities...some are being merged because it makes no sense keeping them all open when they have no tangible population to justify their existence

Spiritually, the pope is very inconsequential to even a ally's of Catholics in Nigeria ... how many can say that the pope said this or that that changed my destiny for Good ... many here don't even know his name before he changed it to what it is now ... they have never being blessed by his ministration because it is to them like water on the back of a duck

Themandator:



And the pope owns the plane glass bullet proof pope mobile and enjoy the luxury of it all alone .... for your information, if Bishop Oyedepo knew the scripture as he did and lived any where below what is his reality today I wouldn't have been convinced of his knowledge


He is a showroom of what he teaches and I believe him. As a Catholic i never had any hunger for the Bible, just the extract called bulletin , I was amongst the top three in my catechism class for holy communion and confirmation but yet still, like many Catholics, went to other places for prayers and prophecy... many so called Catholics are members only on Sunday's and memebers of various prayer and prophetic ministries where the leaders live on their means which they pay out for deliverance and sundry activities, from Monday's through Saturday

Go to any of those prayer contractors and seers and just tell them to announce that hencefort they would want to deal with their members according to their denominations and see what happens, you so called Catholics will be found to make up 95% of the memberships and the reason being that you are largely spiritually empty and running from pillar to post looking for help.


Just for making me hunger after the word and not man, Bishop Oyedepo deserve to live even much more than he is doing now. I am forever a surprise to myself ...me open Christian books and read ...taaaa.....not those ones on defense of religion but reality Christian books


How can a man who says to you, ...church is a not social club ... it is a spiritual club, don't waste your time in church on social event. If it is not spiritual it is not beneficial .... How can I not love a man who declares launching illegal, that every church was launched the day JSU's inaugurated the church ...a man who stopped the home cells from collecting offering even Thkugh they remit such to the church saying it is a meeting place for brethren , who doesn't sell bulletin but actuall gives glossy ones for free


No gimmicks to get money from people like everyone coming to the front for offering , no awards or special recognition for doing anything, no raffle draws ... how can I sincerely need such a one when he ends up with a jets when he has never put me under pressure to give



For just making me love God p, he deserve a much more ... i was before now a Christian by name but not anymore ...I am a Christian by conviction today and that is because Oyedepo ministry made me taste the power of God , first hand


If you want to know why Winners are deceived by Oyedepo I will tell you here and now: not up to 2 percent of winnners joined as rich guys ...98% were disillusioned, poor and miserable when theory joined , they had questions their former place (Catholics church) could not answer

They came and within three months could see tangible improvements in their living standard because the covenant ark (word) had entered ... giving to them is so that other can be reached and if it takes a Plan to reach them so must it be

Means u never understood what u experienced as a Catholic. Its people like u that give catholics a bad name. All in all, it doesn't matter. It is only relevant to u. Just know something, the church is not what makes u attain external life but urself and ur actions in live. Regards

drnoel:



Means u never understood what u experienced as a Catholic. Its people like u that give catholics a bad name. All in all, it doesn't matter. It is only relevant to u. Just know something, the church is not what makes u attain external life but urself and ur actions in live. Regards

You are a liar... how can they believe if no one tell them. The church must tell you before you get hungry for eternal life ... bulletin is not good for you ....return to the scripture ...salvation is and starts in Zion that is why I rejoice when they say let us to to the house of the lord

drnoel:



Means u never understood what u experienced as a Catholic. Its people like u that give catholics a bad name. All in all, it doesn't matter. It is only relevant to u. Just know something, the church is not what makes u attain external life but urself and ur actions in live. Regards

How can you tell a married man whose father in law is a knight and daughter a cadet that he doesn't know what he experienced as a Catholic ...those ones running from prayers houses to prophetic houses , are they also not aware of what they are experiencing


What I experienced as a Catholic was a lack of spiritual depth

drnoel:



Means u never understood what u experienced as a Catholic. Its people like u that give catholics a bad name. All in all, it doesn't matter. It is only relevant to u. Just know something, the church is not what makes u attain external life but urself and ur actions in live. Regards

Mention one quote from your current or even past pope that has transformed your life, for good. Don't go looking for one online


See the one that turned me to the Bible ....until the book is opened Destiny remains closed

Themandator:



Mention one quote from your current or even past pope that has transformed your life, for good. Don't go looking for one online


See the one that turned me to the Bible ....until the book is opened Destiny remains closed

U are just ranting but the more u rant the more its obvious u never understood. Church will not take u to heaven, if u didn't know that then then u don't know that now, whatever spiritual depth u fee that u have attained now.
External life is real so is hell. Change ur ways.

I got healed of arthritis without any prayer , without meeting Pastor but just by reading Oyedepo's book: Thou shall not be barren ...do you want me to go listing the miracles I have personally received in my life and that of fellow Catholics I encouraged to join this wonderful commission led by Bishop...all without knowing any Pastor, personally


My Bishop doesn't know I exist but I always pray for him... God bless Oyedepo...he is a good servant of yours ...let him continue to walk upon his high places in life

drnoel:



U are just ranting but the more u rant the more its obvious u never understood. Church will not take u to heaven, if u didn't know that then then u don't know that now, whatever spiritual depth u fee that u have attained now.
External life is real so is hell. Change ur ways.

Certainly church won't take you to heaven but it sure will provide you a guide on how to get to heaven ...that is the essence of church .... I will give you Pastor after mine heart to guide thee in the way thou shall go and Bishop Oyedepo is very good with the task and therefore deserve al he is getting including the jets

A labourer is worthy of his wage .... it is foolishness to be shameful of what is gainful .... what is the use of speed if you are on the wrong lane .... if Jesus discover his assignment in the book you can't find yours anywhere else .... that is my papa, Bishop Oyedepo ... I am from Anambra state , by the way.

Themandator:
I got healed of arthritis without any prayer , without meeting Pastor but just by reading Oyedepo's book: Thou shall not be barren ...do you want me to go listing the miracles I have personally received in my life and that of fellow Catholics I encouraged to join this wonderful commission led by Bishop...all without knowing any Pastor, personally


My Bishop doesn't know I exist but I always pray for him... God bless Oyedepo...he is a good servant of yours ...let him continue to walk upon his high places in life





Certainly church won't take you to heaven but it sure will provide you a guide on how to get to heaven ...that is the essence of church .... I will give you Pastor after mine heart to guide thee in the way thou shall go and Bishop Oyedepo is very good with the task and therefore deserve al he is getting including the jets

A labourer is worthy of his wage .... it is foolishness to be shameful of what is gainful .... what is the use of speed if you are on the wrong lane .... if Jesus discover his assignment in the book you can't find yours anywhere else .... that is my papa, Bishop Oyedepo ... I am from Anambra state , by the way.

A pity