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Bring what on, like this arrant hogwash

Biety:
Your waka waka seems to be blessing now but it is a curse in the real sense.

In the future the reality would stare at you when the indigenes of the regions you are living now stop buying from you and start selling those things they are buying from you today to themselves.

Trading is the only thing giving you advantage over the indigenes of the regions you are livng today and you cannot monopolize it (trading) forever, soon others will start selling goods like electronics, tiles, clothes, drugs etc in their numbers, then you'll be stucked in different parts of Nigeria not knowing what else to do, then most of you w'ld head back home after selling most of your properties.
This is going to happen in the future whether you like/ believe it or not.

Don't indulge this people , they dominate few sectors in the trading business, now let them keep trading, trading is for slowpokes. As long as we dominate in what matters that is,sufficient.

SouthEastFacts:

It seems you don't like good things coming out from the East, but the SUN will always rise there.

Maybe one day we will run an article on colonial era Lagos and open your eyes to how much proceed from palm oil, groundnut and cocoa was used to build Lagos.

Lagos was and is a collective effort.

#Thanks

Huge myth. It's already done on here. Read this below and cure yourself of your ignorance. www.nairaland.com/4144976/lagos-1898before-nigeria-not-oil

Ogonimilitant:
This #Southeastfacts. is too much. you want afonjas to start mining more skulls to meet up Igbos in prosperity?

Lol, I doff my hat at #Southeastfacts, whoever is behind that moniker is the real sh!t. Afonjas are being taken to the cleaners here with absolute brutality, akin to what is called "finish him" and "flawless victory" in mortal combat. Please continue destroying their fallacies and propaganda with real facts and figures. You deserve a bottle of your choice wine and a plate of isi ewu while I'll gladly foot the bills. What a lot of people do not know is that remitances contribute significantly to the economy of the SE and arguebly up to 50% of estates or hotels being developed in Owerri precisely are from diaspora Igbos. However, Igbos in Nigeria outside the SE should only build branches or warehouses in the north or Lagos region while the main production facilities should be sited in SE cities. Aba has both gas & energy supplies. Aku Ruo Ulo!!!

GoldNiagara:



Don't indulge this people , they dominate few sectors in the trading business, now let them keep trading, trading is for slowpokes. As long as we dominate in what matters that is,sufficient.

Can you mention the areas you dominate please? Afonjas are the real chest beaters, always claiming what they are not. Lagos is really masking your backwardness but even in the same Lagos, Igbos along with the Indians, Lebanese & Chinese run the show.

MadamT:


Hello.
Any verifiable stats to back up some of your claims?

When those of us in diaspora remit money home, we are never asked our tribe. You send money home as a Nigerian or - to Nigeria, if you have naturalised in the county you live. So how can anyone state that igbos (or any particular tribe) contribute this and that amount into the foreign reserves? What verifiable stats were used to unequivocally back up the assertion?

You also said “Another source claim there is over 40% Igbos in the population of Nigerians in Diaspora”. Can you kindly post the link to the source with these statistics? The first link you attached didn't work when I tried to open it.

The 40% stat was given by Nnede based on his observation as an Author and Wall Street Investment Banker.

www.nigeriaworld.com/feature/publication/nnebe/101013.html

According to World Igbo Congress, a union of all Igbos in diaspora with headquarter in USA, 70% of all Nigerians in diaspora are Igbo. To us that is too bogus, so we settled for 40% based on Nnede's experience as an Investment banker, though personally I believe it should be about 45% based on our own observations and informal surveys.

GoldNiagara:



Give me the specific international law, under international law there is no concept known as global citizen, there is even no such concept like that in law at all. We have dual citizen, stateless citizen, etc.

International court of justice does not address rights of citizens but resolve conflict between nations, European and ECOWAS human right courts deal with violation of fundamental human rights not regulate whether your global citizen can acquire property.

You apparently do not know what you are talking about. There is so much naivety in your post.


Now where do you also get the 40% Igbo in diaspora, you also assume that as you assumed the 8.4 billion dollars. It is common knowledge and even rule of the thumb that tiniest number of a population always control or own the largest chunk of a country wealth.

I know for certain there is no single Igbo in diaspora that is worth 500 million dollars. I can give you four Yorubas in diaspora that are billionaires in dollars.

Global citizen here is used to refer to all people living in the world. Once you are an 'earth citizen' you have right to own property anywhere just like ECOWAS Charter guarantees the right of all ECOWAS citizens to acquire properties in any ECOWAS' state.

ICC and ECOWAS court each entertains cases from individual against any nation, once they don't have confidence in the nation's court.

Dispossessing people of their properties is violation of their right to own properties.

Chindeu Echeruo sold an APP worth $1.1 bn to APPLE. He is the founder of Hopstop.

https://m.guardian.ng/news/apple-buys-a-nigerian-owned-ict-firm-for-1-billion/

He is just 1 out of the many.

We are here because of liars like YOU. We derive joy sending them to HELL with #FACTS.

#Thanks

BiafraIShere:
Wishful thinking, Igbos are fast dominating the whole of SSA yet you are talking trash. Go to Ghana, Cameroon, Congo etc. We control the value chain from China to Onitsha, Aba, Nnewi & Lagos.

Fact:

SE controls Nigeria's Importation Network.

GoldNiagara:



Don't indulge this people , they dominate few sectors in the trading business, now let them keep trading, trading is for slowpokes. As long as we dominate in what matters that is,sufficient.

Name the sectors so that we can consider them carefully.

This is a Challenge.

#Thanks

Our new article is out.
Competitive Index: Is this really reliable?
www.nairaland.com/4159209/competitive-index-really-reliable

SouthEastFacts:

T[b]he 40% stat was given by Nnede based on his observation[/b] as an Author and Wall Street Investment Banker.

www.nigeriaworld.com/feature/publication/nnebe/101013.html

According to World Igbo Congress, a union of all Igbos in diaspora with headquarter in USA, 70% of all Nigerians in diaspora are Igbo. To us that is too bogus, so we settled for 40% based on Nnede's experience as an Investment banker, though personally I believe it should be about 45% based on our own observations and informal surveys.

So, the “stat” is not really a stat then. Just someone’s personal opionion and observations.

Had a brief glance through the article. The Author stated in his disclaimer that his piece was just that- his own personal opinion. He even admitted towards the end that he has no true statistics to back up the figures.

So, really, you have no verifiable stats. Just personal opinions and assumptions.

Also, the claim that igbos remits the most into the foreign reserves is just a myth. There is no money transfer systems abroad which asks for our tribes when we do transactions. Even the original link you posted mentioned Nigerians[i][/i] repatriating money home. It never singled out a particular tribe as being the largest contributor.

Hope this fallacy can be put to rest now. But doubt it, knowing how some people here bandy opinions as facts!

MadamT:


So, the “stat” is not really a stat then. Just someone’s personal opionion and observations.

Had a brief glance through the article. The Author stated in his disclaimer that his piece was just that- his own personal opinion. He even admitted towards the end that he has no true statistics to back up the figures.

So, really, you have no verifiable stats. Just personal opinions and assumptions.

Also, the claim that igbos remits the most into the foreign reserves is just a myth. There is no money transfer systems abroad which asks for our tribes when we do transactions. Even the original link you posted mentioned Nigerians[i][/i] repatriating money home. It never singled out a particular tribe as being the largest contributor.

Hope this fallacy can be put to rest now. But doubt it, knowing how some people here bandy opinions as facts!

It would be indeed difficult if not impossible to quantify the number of Igbos living outside the boundaries of our current traditional Igbo enclave of the Southeast Nigeria. For the sake of this article, let us forget about all those in the Diaspora, if you factor in all the Igbos living all over Nigeria in the North, the West, and the South, along with those in the Southeast, the population of Igbos would easily be far greater than any other tribe in Nigeria. I have resisted putting a number because I truly don't have the full statistics

Actually, the ipob con man was tryi g to have it both ways like they always do.

The joker first beat his narrow and empty chest that based on whatever rubbish he added together, Igbos would easily be far greater than any other tribe in Nigeria, but quickly admitted that his chest beating was nothing but rubbish because he did not have any stats, meaning the whole write up and silly exercise was nothing but the usual ipobitch meaningless chest beating.

The movement of Igbo's around the world is a very good thing because it gives us a better space to thrive as a people and makes it easier to forgive our nonperforming governors because over 65% are not there to feel the pains of governance. It helps to generate more knowledge about a place and makes it easier for new entrants to start up easily. The figure are favorable right now but how long are we going to use the advantage?

The 65% of untaxable citizens pose a serious threat to the development of the land except we get creative and get money from those people. Igboland is not developed to its right potential because it doesn't have the population to get more allocations from the government and has lesser taxable income. This has made our governors not able to undertake big projects that will open up the potentials of the states. To say the truth, our governors are mere salary payers and the ones that wants to develop his state will have to owe salaries. This because major players do not reside in the east and companies are not much there.

If we keep celebrating the spread of the Igbo's, then we are telling a long term lie. Igbo investment doesn't have protection which only the eastern state can protect through policies and security. Through infrastructural development, the eastern government can protect most investment. But other government will always apply the principle of indigenes first to kill of small Igbo businesses to protect their indigenous businesses. In a long run, if we keep choking their business space, they will force out our businesses without prior notice.

The 65% diasporans have to be taxed to push the necessary development in the east. If we can't get them to be taxed and the population increases in the east, then we are in for a big problem in the future.

deomelo:
Yoruba


https://www.nairaland.com/3918290/yorubas-most-industriousrichest-educated-tribe




Ibo


https://www.nairaland.com/3926379/igbos-most-industrious-innovative-richest




We've debated and settled this issue, we even trashed the ibo most industrious myth and whatever phantom and imaginary properties and industries was trashed also.


Get real and quit spinning tales.

He never came to the thread to debate with the Yoruba's, neither is he comparing the Igbo's with them. Stop creating unnecessary debates. I believe he should have put a disclaimer that it is meant for Igbo's only.

realhumanity:
The movement of Igbo's around the world is a very good thing because it gives us a better space to thrive as a people and makes it easier to forgive our nonperforming governors because over 65% are not there to feel the pains of governance. It helps to generate more knowledge about a place and makes it easier for new entrants to start up easily. The figure are favorable right now but how long are we going to use the advantage?

The 65% of untaxable citizens pose a serious threat to the development of the land except we get creative and get money from those people. Igboland is not developed to its right potential because it doesn't have the population to get more allocations from the government and has lesser taxable income. This has made our governors not able to undertake big projects that will open up the potentials of the states. To say the truth, our governors are mere salary payers and the ones that wants to develop his state will have to owe salaries. This because major players do not reside in the east and companies are not much there.

If we keep celebrating the spread of the Igbo's, then we are telling a long term lie. Igbo investment doesn't have protection which only the eastern state can protect through policies and security. Through infrastructural development, the eastern government can protect most investment. But other government will always apply the principle of indigenes first to kill of small Igbo businesses to protect their indigenous businesses. In a long run, if we keep choking their business space, they will force out our businesses without prior notice.

The 65% diasporans have to be taxed to push the necessary development in the east. If we can't get them to be taxed and the population increases in the east, then we are in for a big problem in the future.

Stop using the word TAX for diasporas.

You can't tax Diasporas.


What you do, is to create mediums that can enable them to invest in the East.

Example: Late Sam Mbakwe in the second republic, created ITC( Imo Transport Company) that allowed Diasporas to put their bus & driver under the care of the government who collects the money for them since drivers are dubious.


Today's SE governors are brainless criminals who refuse to think outside the box.


For example, the governors can use the Diasporas to market our Yams, Ugwus, Uziza, Ukazi, Utazi, Achara etc while encouraging them to invest in agriculture through State-Diaspora farm initiative whereby the Diasporas provide money and the government acquire land & workers for them to produce & export yams, Ugwus, uziza, ukazi, utazi etc.


Also the Diasporas can be organized to help us market more of our indigenous products oversea.


This will increase our dollar inflow into our SE states.

SouthEastFacts:
It is not a secret that the Igbos are the most mobile tribe in Nigeria. With about 35% of a total population of about 50 million living in the South East, their home land, the Igbos have the best spread in the country. A recent projection shows that about 11 million are living in the North alone, and there is this concensus among different writers that Lagos population is made up of about 40% Igbos. Another source claim there is over 40% Igbos in the population of Nigerians in Diaspora, 20% in cities like Kano, Jos e.t.c. www.nigeriaworld.com/feature/publication/nnebe/101013.html. Collaborating the 40% Igbos in Nigerians in diaspora, an informal survey showed that an average extended family in Igboland has atleast one family member outside the country

With a projected population of about 18 million by Lagos State Government, we can assume an Igbo population of 7.2 million in Lagos alone, over 3 million in Kano alone, leaving the other Northern states to share 8 million Igbos. With Lagos statistics we can safely assume, over another 11 million Igbos in the SW. This means about over 22 million Igbos living in the North and South West.

We are going to concisely discuss the social and economic benefits of this mobility.

Before we proceed, we are going to make one thing clear, using the exact words of Nnede, a former Wall Street Investment banker, "The Igbos are simply very republic in nature, and would easily uproot themselves and their families to greener pastures without qualms. When I use the phrase greener pastures, it does not necessarily represent better developed areas. Just better opportunities, and when they can't find one upon arrival would create one for themselves."

The number one blessing is that the Igbos can never be exterminated. With only about 35% of their population living within the region, should anything happen to SE either by natural or unnatural means, the other 65% though psychologically beaten will be their to continue the race.

Traveling is part of learning, especially with respect to human behaviour. Through experiences garnered through travelling, South East has the most understanding of the behaviour of the different tribes in the country. This explains why they are better traders in the country, even in West Africa, building the largest and busiest market in Africa (Onitsha Main Market, Onitsha) and the four Largest market in Nigeria (Ariria Int'l Market, Aba).

Nigerians in diaspora remitted into the country since 2015 stands at $20.8bn, that is about #7.519 trillion either for financial development projects or to assist family members. www.dailypost.ng/2017/07/26/nigerians-diaspora-repatriate-n7-519-trillion-nigeria-finance-development/ using the above statistics of Igbos in diaspora, Igbos contributed to about $8.32 bn into Nigerian foreign reserve and repatriates about over #3 trillion to families in the SE, while the rest of the country shares about #4.5 bn at average of about #900 bn for each of the 5 regions. This is one of the blessings that come from traveling.

There are massive Igbo investments all over the country. Infact, one report showed that there are about #44 trillion worth of Igbo investments in the North alone www.sunnewsonline.com/igbo-and-their-trapped-trillions/ While some people believes that those trillions are trapped, but the truth is they are not. The main reason is that International laws allow global citizens to acquire and owe legitimately properties in any part of the world and two, no sane person will destroy an investment worth of #44 trillion.

Most of these investments are started with small capitals and cannot strive in the East, so it makes economic sense to site them in areas where comparative costs are lowest, instead of trying to invest the small capital in the East. Just like MTN repatriates profits to South Africa, Apple China to the USA, these investments will as well make repatriation down to the East, including their Corporate social responsibilities. This is because in Igbo land, no matter how rich you are, you are judged by your impact in your community, how many successful people you have groomed, the later is usually used to rate traders. If you have not trained a successful trader, you are counted as nothing. This is known as the 'Aku ruo ulo philosophy' it is the basis of the Igbo resilience.

Let assume, we have Biafra, Oduduwa and Arewa. With Igbo investments scattered all over Nigeria before separation, Biafra will exert massive influence on the economy of Oduduwa and Arewa. This will grow into political influence with time when leveraged on properly. Repatriation from these countries will lead to a larger foreign reserve, which will translate into a stronger currency.

The population of Ndi Igbo is growing rapidly across the 5 other regions, if managed and leveraged on properly will lead to a politically and economically stronger EAST. While other regions have to open their eyes to the massive opportunities this offers, we shall continue to make this incursion, while repatriation the benefits home.

#SEfacts

Nigerians including politicians walka walka abroad blessing or curse?

SouthEastFacts:

Global citizen here is used to refer to all people living in the world. Once you are an 'earth citizen' you have right to own property anywhere just like ECOWAS Charter guarantees the right of all ECOWAS citizens to acquire properties in any ECOWAS' state.

ICC and ECOWAS court each entertains cases from individual against any nation, once they don't have confidence in the nation's court.

Dispossessing people of their properties is violation of their right to own properties.

Chindeu Echeruo sold an APP worth $1.1 bn to APPLE. He is the founder of Hopstop.

https://m.guardian.ng/news/apple-buys-a-nigerian-owned-ict-firm-for-1-billion/

He is just 1 out of the many.

We are here because of liars like YOU. We derive joy sending them to HELL with #FACTS.

#Thanks

So you made up global citizen like you made up all your other fibs. Good it is settled there is no such thing as global citizen.

Now to domination of correct sectors not trading sector! Yoruba dominate in manufacturing, real estate, banking, insurance, medicine, law etc, search for Yoruba are the most industrialized, and educated tribe in Africa. You can search google or restrict your search to nairaland and cure your ignorance forever.


I know you will come with Echerou phantom billon dolls. Apple had stated it bought it for a disclosed amount and your lying brothers from Hades attached a phantom fee to it.


As ECOWAS charter is a law abi, you don't even what is law from your ignorance posturings, don't have time to be spoon feeding pretentious educated man.

DontForceUnity:




Stop using the word TAX for diasporas.

You can't tax Diasporas.


What you do, is to create mediums that can enable them to invest in the East.

Example: Late Sam Mbakwe in the second republic, created ITC( Imo Transport Company) that allowed Diasporas to put their bus & driver under the care of the government who collects the money for them since drivers are dubious.


Today's SE governors are brainless criminals who refuse to think outside the box.


For example, the governors can use the Diasporas to market our Yams, Ugwus, Uziza, Ukazi, Utazi, Achara etc while encouraging them to invest in agriculture through State-Diaspora farm initiative whereby the Diasporas provide money and the government acquire land & workers for them to produce & export yams, Ugwus, uziza, ukazi, utazi etc.


Also the Diasporas can be organized to help us market more of our indigenous products oversea.


This will increase our dollar inflow into our SE states.

Oga mi, how many Igbo's in diaspora are business men, some are just mere salary earners. We should stop thinking that all Igbo's living in diaspora are business men or women. We should also thinking that out states have the capacity to create the real economic space if they don't break the big inertia in the region now.

If you check the whole of Nigeria, we are the least in all agricultural indices. Even northeast engage in agriculture more than us. It is not our comparative advantage. How many foreigners are interested in utazi, ukazi, uziza and the rest? We need the 65% input to grow the economy or else, we won't move from where we are.

There are critical sectors in the east that needs attention. There are sectors in the world that we need to invest heavily on. We cannot make meaningful progress if we have only 100billion naira as yearly budgets. With over 55% on recurrent expenditure, how do we get the capital for economic expansion?

Igbo's should support their region for once and stop coming back every December to eat rice.

We do not have choice in this. We will continue to move because our home cannot provide what we need in terms of infrastructure and business space. We are erroneously equating landmass and economic space. More traders can still be successful in Onitsha, Aba and Nnewi. The only thing we need is to expand the economy there.

If we keep ignoring the obvious, it will not take 50years before we start seeing the repercussions of neglecting the homeland. 65% is too much to neglect for development. If we cannot factor how we can use their numbers for our development, then we should just tell them to stop claiming Igbo.

Biety:
Your waka waka seems to be blessing now but it is a curse in the real sense.

In the future the reality would stare at you when the indigenes of the regions you are living now stop buying from you and start selling those things they are buying from you today to themselves.

Trading is the only thing giving you advantage over the indigenes of the regions you are livng today and you cannot monopolize it (trading) forever, soon others will start selling goods like electronics, tiles, clothes, drugs etc in their numbers, then you'll be stucked in different parts of Nigeria not knowing what else to do, then most of you w'ld head back home after selling most of your properties.
This is going to happen in the future whether you like/ believe it or not.

For over 100 years u couldn't break into trading...

What makes u think u will do so now

totit:
Shm. People just wake up on their bed, somewhere under hut house to configure stats and come up with all sort of assumptions and imaginary dominion.

Shm.

Every sane person knows that in every state in nigeria, igbos populace is second largest residents, 2nd to the indigens.

That speaks volumes

Nowenuse:
It is both a blessing and a curse at the same time.

Igbos born outside igbo land are heavily loosing their cultural values and traditions if you ask me and at the same time partially hindering the massive development of their own homeland.

The SE is still the most developed geopolitical zones in nigeria.

Guestlander:
Dangote alone is building a refinery worth $11 billion dollars and some people here are ranting about their mum and pop shops calling them "massive investment"
Wonders shall never end.

He borrowed 7 billion dollars from China.
Stop making it seem as if he has 11 billion dollars in his bank account.

Igbos control trade in nigeria and that sector is worth Hundreds of billions of dollars.

Guestlander:


Who conducted the census of Nigerians in diaspora and concluded Igbo are over 40%? The problem I have with some Igbo commentators on the internet is how they casually make up bogus statistics.
Who are you trying to impress with these numbers?

Stop fooloooling ur self Sir.

huptin:


Lagos has what it takes to pay back its debts even if oil goes to zero kobo. If oil stops flowing today all south east States will go bankrupt with immediate effect low debt or not.

Lagos can't carry it's population without the oil funds they get from eastern nigeria.

SouthEastFacts:

Has Lagos in anytime in its history presented a balanced budget? That is by the way.

"If oil stops flowing today all south east States will go bankrupt with immediate effect low debt or not."
How do you mean please?

The whole if SE are oil producers.

huptin:


But Igbo will be leaving with at least 6 million people that is 6 million people to worry less about, Lagos infrastructure will last longer, crime rate will go down and more investors will come in to fill the gap with less baggage and liabilities.so using a simple accounting logic of assets minus liabilities presently Ndigbo's contribution to Lagos is at a net loss.

Wen igbos leave, Seaports n river ports will come back to life in Delta, Cross river, Onitsha, Rivers etc.

Lagos revenues will fall.

PrecisionFx:



Every sane person knows that in every state in nigeria, igbos populace is second largest residents, 2nd to the indigens.

That speaks volumes

Stat
Shm

PrecisionFx:



The SE is still the most developed geopolitical zones in nigeria.

The way you ibos abuse the word ' developed ' is alarming to say the least .
Ofcourse, it's only in alaigbo that a few building here and there is the yardstick for development.

Developed, in what area exactly. If I may ask?

totit:


The way you ibos abuse the word ' developed ' is alarming to say the least .
Ofcourse, it's only in alaigbo that a few building here and there is the yardstick for development.

Developed, in what area exactly. If I may ask?

A SE u have not visited in ur entire life in ogbomosho has a few buildings?