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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:16pm On Nov 07, 2017
Mujtahida:



There was no what? FORMAL approach for me. And this is how we lost this gem. Smh. We are still leaking in the LB because of this loss. And here we have some under the guise of a false sense of pride(which is actually inferiority complex masking as pride) saying we do not need formal engagement and rapprochement with these players.


One strategy is never a good strategy. This is the age of Aquarius- multifaceted approach is the way forward. The Age of pisces is gone, the age of one size fits all is dead and gone.



http://www.tribune.com.ng/sat/index.php/sports/7508-why-i-dumped-nigeria-david-alaba.html%EF%BB%BF


David Alaba was actually a LM and LW before he was later converted to LB by Bayern coach
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 7:18pm On Nov 07, 2017
aadvark:
Thanks bro.

I don't know if I'm the only one who's excited that Tammy didn't join the Eagles. I never thought he'd be good for us. I watched all the goals he scored for Bristol and Swansea so far and I don't think he's so different from Iheanacho. Heck, Nacho can even threaten from outside the box but almost all of Tammy's goals were tap-ins. The only thing I know he does excellently well is hold-up play, but Ighalo already does that. Odion needs to only work on his accuracy and concentration.

Basically, the Eagles need a striker who combines attributes like hold-up play, threat from distance, ability to take on defenders, and accuracy as well.
Therefore, Ighalo remains the best we have for now.

As for alternatives, Tammy won't work for Nigeria, for we play a system where the striker has to do a lot of work and sometimes has to craft something out of nothing.
That is where Dessers comes in. I don't know why everyone seems blind to this guy's abilities; probably cos he is willing to play for us. You know we have a tradition of not valuing whoever wants us.

I watched Tammy's highlights and Dessers' the same day and that Belgian dude impressed me so much. He is more adventurous, can threaten from anywhere, with both feet, and can take on and bamboozle defenders. I urge u to watch his goals and highlights and compare with Tammy's. I think that if he's given the Eagles chance, he'll blow up in our faces.
I believe he and Ighalo deserve to be our strikers for the world cup.

Anyway, its just my opinion.

Tammy has very good movement, that is what puts him in dangerous positions.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 7:27pm On Nov 07, 2017
Joebie:
fans will be fans. And this is not limited to Nigerian fans.

how can they accept the fact
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 7:29pm On Nov 07, 2017
Icon79:
Guys, can we just leave the technical decisions to the guys who are paid to make those decisions. Here's why:

1. Gernot Rohr played the game at a higher level than any one of us here
2. Gernot Rohr had coached the game at a higher than anyone of us
3. I stand corrected but Rohr and his crew can read the game better than everyone of us here
4. Gernot Rohr knows these players better than everyone of us because he trains them and have watched them up, close, and personal.



O pari

how can they accept the fact

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:30pm On Nov 07, 2017
aadvark:
Thanks bro.

I don't know if I'm the only one who's excited that Tammy didn't join the Eagles. I never thought he'd be good for us. I watched all the goals he scored for Bristol and Swansea so far and I don't think he's so different from Iheanacho. Heck, Nacho can even threaten from outside the box but almost all of Tammy's goals were tap-ins. The only thing I know he does excellently well is hold-up play, but Ighalo already does that. Odion needs to only work on his accuracy and concentration.

Basically, the Eagles need a striker who combines attributes like hold-up play, threat from distance, ability to take on defenders, and accuracy as well.
Therefore, Ighalo remains the best we have for now.

As for alternatives, Tammy won't work for Nigeria, for we play a system where the striker has to do a lot of work and sometimes has to craft something out of nothing.
That is where Dessers comes in. I don't know why everyone seems blind to this guy's abilities; probably cos he is willing to play for us. You know we have a tradition of not valuing whoever wants us.

I watched Tammy's highlights and Dessers' the same day and that Belgian dude impressed me so much. He is more adventurous, can threaten from anywhere, with both feet, and can take on and bamboozle defenders. I urge u to watch his goals and highlights and compare with Tammy's. I think that if he's given the Eagles chance, he'll blow up in our faces.
I believe he and Ighalo deserve to be our strikers for the world cup.

Anyway, its just my opinion.
They make them into tap in merchants from the production line these days. The days of Ronaldo de Lima is gone.

As for your other observations you are spot on. Mickael2 has opined too that we need a CF that combines both hold up play attributes and that of a poacher. The only difference is that he might not agree with you on Ighalo.

As for Dessers, you deserve a chilled drink of whatever brand you take with goat head pepper soup.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:31pm On Nov 07, 2017
Mujtahida:

You've still not told why they chose Greece over Nigeria. Were they approached and they declined? It's the reason for their decision I want to understand.
He started representing Greece when he was just 20. How could you blame the Nbbf for not reaching out to a 19 year old playing in Greek A2?
Come on!
You honestly want to blame Nigeria for not reaching out to every kid in America and Europe?
Do you know how many NBA basketballer who have turned down Nigeria?

Someone like Andre Iguduala does not even acknowledge his Benin ancestry. Is it Oladipo? This guy was begged to come play for us at the last Olympics. He bluntly refused even when he's known to mingle well within the Nigerian community in Houston.
How about Emeka Okafor when he lead the NBA blocks then at Bobcats? He didn't even want to entertain the thoughts of turning out for us. I knew his sister back in 2003.
How about Festus Ezeli?

We have to be honest with ourselves and understand that we cannot get everyone to play for us. Its rather childish to always blame Nigeria for missing out on choice players.

Gbinije and a host of other guys who turned out for us lately where poached while they played college basketball.

The youngest of the Antetokumpo brothers pledged his international future to Greece while still in high school (he had crazy numbers in high school).

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by soetanoreoluwa(m): 7:33pm On Nov 07, 2017
Joebie:
Uzoho in Morocco. Expected to be in camp tonight. Misses training.
Mikel and Akpeyi still expected.

Yes... I saw his update... Mikel might be having flight challenges... China to rabbat.. My opinion though
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by soetanoreoluwa(m): 7:34pm On Nov 07, 2017
Danielnino00:
Folks,just imagine what will happen if we win the world cup...... I mean just imagine grin grin

I love your imagination grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:35pm On Nov 07, 2017
OMANBALA1:
See embarrassment. See reason why I kick against wooing of this foreign born players.
Just listen to this nigga,Tammy.

It is so irritating. I detest it with a passion.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by aadvark: 7:36pm On Nov 07, 2017
tbaba1234:


Tammy has very good movement, that is what puts him in dangerous positions.

I'm not taking anything away from his play, I'm just pointing out that his style of play does not suit us as much as Dessers does. where he's left with the only option of shooting from distance, he'll flounder, and trust me, Eagles strikers get put in such situations often. what about taking on 2-3 defenders head on, he isn't as good as Dessers there too. Put Tammy in a team like Spain's where a lot of creativity goes on, and he'll score till u beg him to stop. But in a team like Nigeria's, Dessers is the better option, I'm sorry

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 7:39pm On Nov 07, 2017
soetanoreoluwa:

I love your imagination grin
grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by aadvark: 7:43pm On Nov 07, 2017
Mujtahida:

They make them into tap in merchants from the production line these days. The days of Ronaldo de Lima is gone.

As for your other observations you are spot on. Mickael2 has opined too that we need a CF that combines both hold up play attributes and that of a poacher. The only difference is that he might not agree with you on Ighalo.

As for Dessers, you deserve a chilled drink of whatever brand you take with goat head pepper soup.
Lol, thanks. I was starting to think I was the only one who noticed Dessers
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:44pm On Nov 07, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Alaba holds the record as the youngest player to play for the Austrian National team at 17 years old. There is no way we could have approached him at that time to play for us.

I wish him the best because of his love for Nigeria. Austria knew him, he played in their league for the best club in Austria. Alaba is not one of the members of "I don't feel Nigerian crew." We would never have beaten Austria for him.

Alaba was still available when broke into the first team at Bayern. He even played some games for Bayern and sat on the bench before Austria capped him.

One popular football analyst even wrote about him on popular newspaper just to alert the NFF about him but NFF was never interested in him.

Then he really wanted to play for Nigeria but em ....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 7:44pm On Nov 07, 2017
Danielnino00:



Ezenwa and his funny face self grin grin
lol grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 7:47pm On Nov 07, 2017
goldfish80:

He started representing Greece when he was just 20. How could you blame the Nbbf for not reaching out to a 19 year old playing in Greek A2?
Come on!
You honestly want to blame Nigeria for not reaching out to every kid in America and Europe?
Do you know how many NBA basketballer who have turned down Nigeria?

Someone like Andre Iguduala does not even acknowledge his Benin ancestry. Is it Oladipo? This guy was begged to come play for us at the last Olympics. He bluntly refused even when he's known to mingle well with the Nigerian community in Houston.
How about Emeka Okafor when he lead the NBA blocks then at Bobcats? He didn't even want to entertain the thoughts of turning out for us. I knew his sister back in 2003.

We have to be honest with ourselves and understand that we cannot get everyone to play for us. Its rather childish to always blame Nigeria for missing out on choice players.

Gbinije and a host of other guys who turned out for us lately where poached while they played college basketball.

The youngest of the Antetokumpo brothers pledged his international future to Greece while still in high school (he had crazy numbers in high school)

I just wanted to know the reason why they choose to play for Greece over Nigeria. I am not blaming Nigeria. I am only saying it would be great if we adopted a more forward approach and that to adopt a strategy of saying they must declare first for us before we invite them is being unrealistic if we chose that as our ONLY strategy.

And do you know that I mentioned Atetokuonmpo just as a background to the main point I wanted to make namely that they are parents with kids all over the world looking for ways through which their kids can represent Nigeria and I feel that engagement and contact with them can solve that problem.
Are you happy with what we are doing with fifteen year old Omadiji? He's just fifteen years old, NFF sends him happy birthday wishes. Do they do that to every kid? No! But we appreciate what they are doing. They are saying we care, we want to be part of your world. That's not begging. That's engagement, that's building relationship.

We cannot pursue every kid. Let's pursue the talented ones early and even at that we will lose some, and win some. We have played and lost many football matches, important ones too but we've not stopped playing football altogether. So for all those who we approached and they declined, we possibly have those we approached and they accepted. So I am vehemently against the adoption of one strategy.
Joebie has written a fine piece that expresses my full sentiments on this issue. I endorse it and adopt it as mine(with his kind permission)
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 7:49pm On Nov 07, 2017
Danielnino00:
Folks,just imagine what will happen if we win the world cup...... I mean just imagine grin grin


If Rohr wins the WC, he should just resign because there is nothing else, he can do for Nigeria again...

Not going to happen though.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:51pm On Nov 07, 2017
forgiveness:


Alaba was still available when broke into the first team at Bayern. He even played some games for Bayern and sat on the bench before Austria capped him.

One popular football analyst even wrote about him on popular newspaper just to alert the NFF about him but NFF was never interested in him.

Then he really wanted to play for Nigeria but em ....

Alaba was not known enough to get an invitation. If he was determined to play for us, he would not have waited up to a year to get invited. He had a growing reputation and also wanted to play for Austria. That is why he easily joined them.

He was Seventeen. You can not blame NFF. I wish Alaba the best.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 7:51pm On Nov 07, 2017
tbaba1234:



If Rohr wins the WC, he should just resign because there is nothing else, he can do for Nigeria again...

Not going to happen though.



Then how far do you think we will go??
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:53pm On Nov 07, 2017
Joebie:
I'd love to see recent videos of Aneke. Don't get frustrated if most of us here are still not convinced though you have witnessed these players firsthand.


I kind of like video evidence but with a proviso. If I do I would look at individual 5-7 minute clips of a individual games. Clips with have highlighted moments of 7/8 games compressed into one video can easily make you look better than you actually are.

I have a friend who has been a head of recruitment at least 4 different EPL clubs. He is kind of old school but he will not sign a player without looking at the player in live matches himself.

To be honest I initially felt that these guys needed to do more. But when I look at the level of player we are inviting to the SE. I have changed my view.

Whatever league you are playing in you need to be the stand out player. Just like Aina best RB in the championship and Tega top striker in the Championship last season. He has further progressed his quality in the EPL.

Chuks Aneke has been a stand out player in his league. But more so in team that is known for good quality technical football. MK Dons. If not for injury he would have further cemented his position and or moved upwards to a higher league.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:54pm On Nov 07, 2017
Icon79:
Guys, can we just leave the technical decisions to the guys who are paid to make those decisions. Here's why:

1. Gernot Rohr played the game at a higher level than any one of us here
2. Gernot Rohr had coached the game at a higher than anyone of us
3. I stand corrected but Rohr and his crew can read the game better than everyone of us here
4. Gernot Rohr knows these players better than everyone of us because he trains them and have watched them up, close, and personal.



O pari


In other words, we should just come here to read football news and go. Huh?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 7:54pm On Nov 07, 2017
Danielnino00:




Then how far do you think we will go??

Depends on the draw. I hope we can get to the quarters at least.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:55pm On Nov 07, 2017
Mujtahida:

I just wanted to know the reason why they choose to play for Greece over Nigeria. I am not blaming Nigeria. I am only saying it would be great if we adopted a more forward approach and the to adopt a strategy of saying they must declare first for us before we invite them is being unrealistic. And do you know that I mentioned Atetokuonmpo just as a background to the main point I wanted to make namely that they are parents with kids all over the world looking for ways through which their kids can represent Nigeria and I feel that engagement and contact with them can solve that problem.
Are you happy with what we are doing with fifteen year old Omadiji? He's just fifteen years old, NFF sends him happy birthday wishes. Do they do that to every kid? No! But we appreciate what they are doing. They are saying we care, we want to be part of your world. That's not begging. That's engagement, that's building relationship.
We cannot pursue every kid. Let's pursue the talented ones early and even at that we will lose some, and win some. We have played and lost many football matches, important ones too but we've not stopped playing football altogether. So for all those who we approached and they declined, we possibly have those we approached and they accepted. So I am vehemently against the adoption of one strategy.
Joebie has written a fine piece that expresses my full sentiments on this issue. I endorse it and adopt it as mine(with his kind permission)

So you are adopting they should declare as your own. Hilarious.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:58pm On Nov 07, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Alaba was not known enough to get an invitation. If he was determined to play for us, he would not have waited up to a year to get invited. He had a growing reputation and also wanted to play for Austria. That is why he easily joined them.

He was Seventeen. You can not blame NFF. I wish Alaba the best.

Only to you. grin

Mbappe is just 18 and so?

Just confess you don't know anything about the situation then and you shall be forgiven. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:04pm On Nov 07, 2017
forgiveness:


Only to you. grin

Mbappe is just 18 and so?

Just confess you don't know anything about the situation then and you shall be forgiven. grin

What does Mbappe at 18 has to do with this? How many 17 year old have played for Super Eagles in recent years. It is not that easy.

By the way, I am a Van Gaal fan since the days of Finidi George. So you can understand my joy seeing a young Nigerian working with Van Gaal at Bayern.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:04pm On Nov 07, 2017
Danielnino00:



Then how far do you think we will go??
If this team plays in the round of 8 I would say they have achieved.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 8:06pm On Nov 07, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Alaba was not known enough to get an invitation. If he was determined to play for us, he would not have waited up to a year to get invited. He had a growing reputation and also wanted to play for Austria. That is why he easily joined them.

He was Seventeen. You can not blame NFF. I wish Alaba the best.
Where for godsakes is the blame in what forgiveness wrote.He will answer now and then arguments will go on and on. He just only gave additional insight into the whole situation. I have searched his post you quoted, I no see where he blamed anybody.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 8:07pm On Nov 07, 2017
grin grin grin Sir Icon, actually, I don't have any problem with debating tactics and player selections as long as it's done within reason. My only concern is that some of us often go overboard and even take stuff too personal .... forgetting that this is only a fan site.

Take for instance, before the game against Zambia I discussed my probably line up and analyzed why I would start Iheanacho (in place of Ighalo), Iwobi (in place of Moses Simon) and Etebo in place of Ndidi (and then move Ndidi to DM in place of Onazi). And to this day I believe that we could've performed better if the team had started with the aforementioned players; however, you won't see me getting all emotional and try to assume that I know better than the coaches.

That's the point I was tryna make.


O pari

Icon4s:


In other words, we should just come here to read football news and go. Huh?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:07pm On Nov 07, 2017
forgiveness:


Only to you. grin

Mbappe is just 18 and so?

Just confess you don't know anything about the situation then and you shall be forgiven. grin

Back then, the critiques were on Siasia not inviting him earlier for the U20 team. Not Super Eagles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 8:08pm On Nov 07, 2017
junnyjake:



I think Chuks rejected a call up by Sia1 then.

The less said about the supposed player recruitment under SS in the UK the better.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:10pm On Nov 07, 2017
Mujtahida:

Where for godsakes is the blame in what forgiveness wrote.He will answer now and then arguments will go on and on. He just only gave additional insight into the whole situation. I have searched his post you quoted, I no see where he blamed anybody.

Alaba was still available when broke into the first team at Bayern. He even played some games for Bayern and sat on the bench before Austria capped him.

One popular football analyst even wrote about him on popular newspaper just to alert the NFF about him but NFF was never interested in him.

Then he really wanted to play for Nigeria but em ....

Read the bolded.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 8:11pm On Nov 07, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


So you are adopting they should declare as your own. Hilarious.
This is your own approach na. Abi are you not the one singing declare, declare for us since morning? My approach is engage, build rapport, establish relationship. So long as you agreed 100% with what Joebie wrote I see no need dragging this issue further. Discussions are meant to be profitable not fruitless back and forth. I was even aghast when I saw you approve what he wrote because that was nothing but an explanation of what engagement with foreign born players mean. I think next time before I get into argument with you I'd first ask you if you understand my point.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 8:11pm On Nov 07, 2017
aadvark:
Thanks bro.

I don't know if I'm the only one who's excited that Tammy didn't join the Eagles. I never thought he'd be good for us. I watched all the goals he scored for Bristol and Swansea so far and I don't think he's so different from Iheanacho. Heck, Nacho can even threaten from outside the box but almost all of Tammy's goals were tap-ins. The only thing I know he does excellently well is hold-up play, but Ighalo already does that. Odion needs to only work on his accuracy and concentration.

Basically, the Eagles need a striker who combines attributes like hold-up play, threat from distance, ability to take on defenders, and accuracy as well.
Therefore, Ighalo remains the best we have for now.

As for alternatives, Tammy won't work for Nigeria, for we play a system where the striker has to do a lot of work and sometimes has to craft something out of nothing.
That is where Dessers comes in. I don't know why everyone seems blind to this guy's abilities; probably cos he is willing to play for us. You know we have a tradition of not valuing whoever wants us.

I watched Tammy's highlights and Dessers' the same day and that Belgian dude impressed me so much. He is more adventurous, can threaten from anywhere, with both feet, and can take on and bamboozle defenders. I urge u to watch his goals and highlights and compare with Tammy's. I think that if he's given the Eagles chance, he'll blow up in our faces.
I believe he and Ighalo deserve to be our strikers for the world cup.

Anyway, its just my opinion.
my brother, bless you for this.

I have been shouting Dessers here for eons, but these people only seem interested in that NEPA pole simply because he plays in that overrated league.

I am telling you, Dessers is gold and I am glad that sugarcane boy went to England because that means there will be space for the likes of Dessers. He's the real gem here.

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