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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 2:42pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
yes you are right you are only as good as your last game that said what you did in the past should also count for something speaking specifically about Omeruo if he peaked at u17 level which was 2009 how come he bust into the scene in 2013? yes he hasn't progressed as well as expected of him but for the national team he was/is been quite good especially the period between 13/14. yes his club form wasn't great during that 14/15 timeline but you can't solely judge him on his club performance alone he was still doing well for nigeria before his terrible game for us against SA in uyo. since his decline in output for the super eagles he has been rightly left out. he was even placed on standby this time. if not for injuries he wouldn't have gotten recalled he also knows this is his last chance saloon since 14/15 has dominic iorfa been outstanding? if he's consistently been good since then it would be madness to ignore him but he hasn't posted those kind of MOTM to my knowledge. historically u17 has always been a good breeding ground for the super eagles hence the tendency to give them a chance to show case themselves. from ugbade to akpoborie to kanu to oruma to babayaro to opabunmi to rabiu ibrahim to iheanacho to alampasu and now osimhen cadet players have always been considered. if they are good enough they stay if not they are dropped and we move on one more thing i'm not disputing that the NFF can do better in it's recruit of exceptional foreign born nigerian origin players but let's give them some slack they have done well in some regard. vicmo, ikeme, iwobi, ola aina, leon balogun, ekong just a few that were brought into the fold that have achieved great things for us komekn: 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 2:44pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
goldfish80:Your problem is not fb players, playing for us but the suggestion that we have an institutionalised mode of engagement. Pray tell me how formalising the mode of approaching fb players affects the development of our league or will be at the expense of our local league. Is this not a lazy man's excuse? Just like saying having embassies abroad will prevent building of government houses in Nigeria. Imagine how ridiculous a man would look if we want to establish diplomatic relations with another country and he begins to cry 'hooooo hoooo we cannot do this ooo. It will affect our domestic relations'. If your league was developed prior to now and having fb players began to affect it then I'd see your points. But your league has been floundering for years. Having modes of engagement with fb players has no relationship with developing your league. Just stick with the fact that you don't like us 'begging'. I will understand. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:48pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
This is what i've been trying to make forumites understand oh. Hopefully you have just nailed it finally. ![]() Mujtahida: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:58pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
My question to you is how many of these players have really had successful careers with the SE? I'm not taking sides here, as I have also asked komekn how many players in diaspora have really come good for us? Now let's marry our systems and you will see the wonderful thing we will keep assembling. If we can get 5 players from our under-aged system, that will have long careers with SE eventually. And we can find 5 outstanding players from the many in diaspora because of our thorough database and relationship building approach. And also, we get 30 players from a solid domestic football structure. What we have here is the best from all fronts, continuously churning out talents after talents. Why abandon any of this system? The next Messi could have sprang from any of the 3 systems above. When you want excellence you go for the best wherever you can find them without sentiments. That's the right attitude to success. Find workable systems in all fronts and you will see how many talents will abound. chrisooblog: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 3:01pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Mujtahida: You have been claiming with certain degree of certainty that our home grown players aren't good enough. You have even gone out of your way to say the locally developed talents y who left Nigeria for Europe are imported when they come back to play for the Super Eagles. Going by your posts on this topic, it is very clear to even the daftest person to see that if you were in charge of recruitment and scouting, you will have no buisness looking at the home grown players. It is very obvious you will neglect the talents at home in pursuit of foreign born players because the oyibo man have done your homework and heavy lifting for you. Why is it that black men cannot think of developing their own? 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Magink: 3:09pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Our guys are now in Constantine according to iwobi's snapchat. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:11pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
goldfish80:Baba, one thing any football lover cannot ignore is performance. I don't like Ronaldo even Messi sef but if I were given freehand to choose a team both of them will be first in my list before anyone else. You see I don't care about home based, foreign based, foreign born etc. I care about performance. And while (and I've said it before) I'd admit I am biased against our local league I cannot shut out my eyes when I see quality players even in our league. And recognise that our problem is not talent but lack of facilities and systems. Talent plus good facilities is what makes the footballing nations tick. Even Brazil has good systems. That's why our talents, our potentials go abroad. Consider that talent is not enough. Most talented home based players eventually stagnate in their development. So the Thing is that since the beginning of the modern era of our football, we have fished in the waters beyond our shores more often than the one at home because experience has taught us that that is where the big fishes are. And every wise fisherman goes where the fishes are. He will not because he wants to flatter his father go and fish in the local stream if he knows he cannot find good fishes or few of them there. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:23pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
yes you are right ''one size fits all'' approach will not serve us well. as you correctly stated marrying our different recruitment systems and fine tuning them is the way to go. my reply to komekn was just in response to his enquiries not saying we should solely rely on the u17 conveyor belt Joebie: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 3:24pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Joebie: The Spanish clubs were giving tax rebate when the country experienced a downturn economically. Not because they fear Spanish players won't make the grade rather they didn't want to loose the competitive edge and purchasing power to the Epl and other leagues. Simply put, if the club's weren't operating at a tax heaven, couple with the economic downturn experienced at the time, top La liga players will be lost to more buoyant leagues and néw stars won't be attracted to come on board because the clubs lack the purchasing power. The policy had nothing to do with the development of Spanish footballers. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:24pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
yeah saw it on the teams twitter page too Magink: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:33pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Joebie:To show the crassness of the idea that having institionalized modes of engaging these foreign born players cannot in the truest sense affect the development of our league let us take a review of the architecture, the developmental effort and structure that both enterprises would require Formal engagement of players can require let's say at least two persons in France, England, Germany and Italy (as we are speaking it's possible say somebody fit dey our embassy wey him own na to just sit down, no work per se). Those are the hubs. They must personable, friendly, able to speak the local language need good social media presence, passion and consistency to make their efforts count. Imagine if you identify guys like forgiveness and give them that brief. Omo, let your imagination provide the answer. Now let's look at what it takes in this era to have a decent league: we need good stadiums in all the states of the federation, we need good roads for travelling, we need good academies fairly spread out throughout the country, we need physiotherapy and medical sports facilities throughout the country, we might even need special courts to handle contractual disputes sharply without delays as is the case with regular courts, we need coaches, we need trainers, we need marketing and business executives to handle the business side of things, we need media executives and PR specialists, we need good network of scouts throughout Nigeria and possibly West Africa, we even need Web managers and social media consultants to maintain the social media presence of our local clubs, we need sponsorship deals and investments worth billions of dollars etc. We are looking at a whole industry with need for a large army of personel in specific areas, structures and systems. So how does the 2% effort (comparatively speaking. Joebie help ooo, I no sabi maths) required to institutionalise our engagement with players of Nigerian descent born abroad affect the 70% effort required to develop our league? Please I want to be convinced how this is possible. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:33pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
@bolded. Shows you are still not getting the point, or you are trying to distract from the original argument. You are making an argument as if someone ever said that it is causative. If you still don't understand that what we have going on in our football administration is actually a Nigerian problem, then it's either you are deceiving yourself or you are simply just out of touch. goldfish80: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:36pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
hahaha.. very good question. Modified goldfish80 consider the bolded. If you still don't get it that what we have is a Nigerian problem, you MAY never get it. Mujtahida: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 3:39pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Joebie: How does the Spanish government's tax free grant to LA liga clubs help the development of Spanish players? I want to get first hand information from the well in touch Joebie. I'm all ears please. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:49pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
You brought the example of Spain so as to argue that the economy does not impact La Liga, and vice versa (that they are independent entirely). But you keep making a case that was never the argument. Did you get my earlier definition of Causative and correlated? How about my sarcastic question on what you were suggesting as regards brazil's economy and their league? How about the analogy? Did you get the explanation? It seems you are not actually reading, or you are intentionally ignoring the points. I did not insinuate from the start or even my last write-up that government policies immediately impact the development of Spanish players. Neither did anyone make a similar argument as regards Nigerian football and Nigeria's economy. Read Mujtahida's last post, and see were I bolded. That has actually been the argument. How else can I put it to you? Because I've tried different ways. I'm sure others will benefit from this discussion anyway. goldfish80: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 3:51pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Joebie: The solution is to run away from the responsibilities and leave them for our great grand children to fix? The Nff should be relocated to Europe so we can convince players of Nigerian decent. I already gave you this solution. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:52pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 3:53pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Mickael2: When I read your comments about Tammy and Simon then I knew you are going to make a bad scout. I mean you can't see anything in Tammy!? ![]() ![]() If you say Simon has only one skill set then tell me how many set skills do Messi and Ronaldo have? Let us not go too far. Tell me about victor moses. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by GoldenChiddy: 3:53pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
There's a lot of igbo culture being promoted within the igbo-British community. Have a look at the channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuZjPkvP-C8&feature=youtu.be 6 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:56pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Joebie:He didn't compare levels of corruption. He said corruption is alien to Aluko and co. And these are players who are in the inherently corrupt English football system. So how can settlement be alien to them. There's a difference between in saying there are not corrupt and saying corruption is alien to them. Won't it sound incredulous to you if a Nigerian says corruption is alien to him? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:56pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Ehen.. now we are thinking together ![]() chrisooblog: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:16pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
well don't forget the context. I'm sure he didn't mean in terms of "settlement". To many cultures out there, bribing for something, when you have actually demonstrated you deserve it, is ridiculous oh. I can highlight our many forms of corruption in Nigeria as we have it now, that have become our culture. Consider some: 1. Sorting which is actually bribes 2. Giving the police money to get away 3. You graduated in Lagos and you are serving as a youth corper in Lagos. How come? when you are neither married nor in a critical condition health-wise. 4. You bribe your way to skip the line. Why am I kept waiting when I came before many others in the hospital? I keep seeing people go through the door before me. People I came before. na magic? 5. The satellite TV installer does not want to his job diligently after I've been charged for installation. He tells me he needs cable, that he doesn't actually need, since my house is already wired -- satellite ready. He wants me to give him money for cable, else... should I go on? 6. The carpenter has already gotten deposit to start his job. He promises it will be ready in a week time, when he is done, I'm to give him the balance, which is 50% of his charge. When the time comes, he asks for more money, but the job is not even half done. Should I continue. 7. My painter uses the paint money I gave to buy a different paint, does a bad job and still makes away with the paint buckets I would have given him anyway. My friend the way corruption smells from top to bottom here.. it's a culture.. Corruption, where I am based, is institutionalized. That is to say it is legal. But when you look at it from a moral standpoint, you know it is corruption. Two different things. While giving kickbacks take place, It is not widespread as we have it here. It is not anticipated. Over here in Nigeria almost everyone expects you to "see" them. If you don't they give those who "see" them preference. They frustrate you.. some of us are really used to these things, but it's normal oh among civilized people. Mujtahida: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 4:17pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
But Africa is a continent na Mujtahida: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:19pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
he meant country. somehow: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Toylove: 4:21pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Guys, please I need a clarification on something. Why is Wilfred zaha eligible for Ivory Coast despite being capped by England twice |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:24pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
somehow:Ohhhhhh I meant to say country. I somehow made an error and wrote continent. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 4:24pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Toylove: He only played in non-competitive games.. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:26pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
I THINK Americans are brought up with that nationalist agenda. They are brought up to see America as the greatest country. Unless they care to explore the world or travel, they don't actually take time to learn more about other nations. Hence they rope Africa as one. Just a simplified approach to viewing a region they don't consider important because of all the negativity they've heard. It's similar to how some -- if not many -- Nigerians are brought up to have the view that if one is not Hausa or Yoruba, they are Igbo. Don't they know there other tribes? They know, but they don't care. They don't care to learn or find out. They have been brought up to believe that those tribes are insignificant. I think this might be a very good analogy. Mujtahida: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:29pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Joebie:You killed it with the way we perceive ourselves here. Quite perceptive I must say. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:34pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Toylove e.g friendlies. If he had played in any qualifier (at least), that would have ruled him out from making a switch to CIV. tbaba1234: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:41pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
My dad loved Geography and he is well travelled. Even before I was 12 or so, I already knew over 95 percent of the countries in the world, and their capitals. I remember coming to Nigeria once, I travelled with a girl from Switzerland who was coming to see her boyfriend in Nigeria. I still remember our convo. She was surprised I knew the capital of her country. She told me many people she had met always thought it was Geneva. Learning first starts with interest. If you are not interested, you will not dig dip, and you will not know. Bro I know you love to learn, and I've learned a lot from you without your knowing..lol Keep it up. Mujtahida: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Orkpekyandega(m): 5:09pm On Nov 09, 2017 |
Who would you want to start in goal for our game against Algeria and Argentina? state your reasons. I would love to see Ezenwa in both contests. I want to see him cement the starting spot in the goalkeeping department and these two matchhes will further provide a stern test for him to further prove his douters wrong. Secondly, for goalies, the number of games one participates in makes him to grow more in confidence and experience. In the absence of Vincent Enyeama and Karl Ikeme, the next candidate on line is Ezenwa looking at what he has shown so far. Therefore, allowing Ezenwa to man the post for these two high profile matches will be to our advantage as we look forward to having better preparations for the World Cup proper. The other goalkeepers can be tested in any of the friendly games after these two especialy Uzoho is coming in new. Akpeyi is not a new name to us. |
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