Jesus Created the Universe: The Deity of Christ

Jesus is our Creator, claiming to be one with the God of the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus is identified as being the creator of the universe in at least 10 different ways:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/jesus-created-the-universe-the-deity-of-christ/

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OLAADEGBU:


Jesus Created the Universe: The Deity of Christ

Jesus is our creator, claiming to be one with the God of the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus is identified as being the creator of the universe in at least 10 different ways:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/jesus-created-the-universe-the-deity-of-christ/

What does "I Am" mean?

"I Am" is one of the names of God in the Old Testament. This is the name God referred to himself as when Moses asked him who he should tell Isreal had sent him to speak to them.

In Exodus chapter 3, it reads: "Then Moses said to God, "If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?" God said to Moses, "I am who I am."

AND HE SAID, "SAY THIS TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL: 'I AM HAS SENT ME TO YOU.'" – EXODUS 3:13-14

This is why the Jews wanted to stone Jesus on the charge of blasphemy. This is why they said to him: "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God." – John 10:33

He said he existed before Abraham (which implies divinity), and then further claimed to be the God of the Old Testament specifically. And the phrase he used when he said "I am", is the same words God used in the book of Exodus in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible):

"ἐγώ εἰμί" – ego eimi

The God of the Old Testament is the creator of the universe as revealed in Genesis 1:1:

"IN THE BEGINNING, GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH."

If the God of the Old Testament created the universe, and the God of the Old Testament called himself "I Am," and Jesus claimed to be the "I Am" that existed prior to Abraham, then this means Jesus believed himself to be the creator of the universe. The Jews would have taken this as Jesus claiming to be Yahweh, the proper name of the God of the Old Testament used over 6000 times in Scripture.

And Yahweh claimed to have created the universe by Himself:

THUS SAYS THE LORD, YOUR REDEEMER, WHO FORMED YOU FROM THE WOMB: "I AM THE LORD, WHO MADE ALL THINGS, WHO ALONE STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS, WHO SPREAD OUT THE EARTH BY MYSELF," – ISAIAH 44:24

If Yahweh said He created the universe by Himself, and Jesus claimed to be the I Am of the Old Testament (Yahweh), then Jesus was claiming here to be the Creator of the universe.

OLAADEGBU:


Jesus Created the Universe: The Deity of Christ

Jesus is our creator, claiming to be one with the God of the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus is identified as being the creator of the universe in at least 10 different ways:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/jesus-created-the-universe-the-deity-of-christ/

The apostles believed Jesus created the universe

The apostle John believed that Jesus created the universe, and says this in two different places within the very first 10 verses of his Gospel. This indicates that this doctrine was important to the apostle and that he wanted the readers of his Gospel to know that Jesus had this role in creation right out of the gate:

"IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. ALL THINGS WERE MADE THROUGH HIM, AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE." – JOHN 1:1-3

"He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him." – John 1:10

This is a powerful statement coming from an eyewitness of the ministry of Jesus. That Jesus is the eternal Word sharing deity with the Father, and that this Word (or Logos) became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14). The apostle Paul also believed that the universe was created through Jesus. Paul, who claimed to have seen the risen Jesus, gives us independent attestation that Jesus had a fundamental role in creation.

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities —all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together." – Colossians 1:15-17

"YET FOR US THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER, FROM WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND FOR WHOM WE EXIST, AND ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST, THROUGH WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND THROUGH WHOM WE EXIST." – 1 CORINTHIANS 8:6

So from Paul, we learn that all things that are visible and invisible were created by and through Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians is one of the earliest of Paul’s epistles, dating to around 55-56AD, meaning this is a very early belief held about Jesus Christ.

In the King James version exclusively, we see a verse in Ephesians where it reads:

"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:" – Ephesians 3:9

While translations that translate from the majority text (such as the ESV or NASB) do not end with "who created all things by Jesus Christ," this does give us another example of Jesus being involved in creation depending on what text and documents you believe hold most authority and weight in the translation process.

An interesting verse is found in the book of Acts, where Peter tells the Jews:

"But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses." – Acts 3:15

The Greek work for "Author" here is "archegos," which means "originator, beginner, founder, prince, leader, head":

Can you imagine how the Jews would have felt being told they killed the Author of life? This means that Jesus is the one who began, initiated, and originated life in the first place. This is something God was said to do in the Old Testament, and something the apostles believed about Jesus right after the resurrection of Jesus.

We have further mention of this in the book of Hebrews. While we are not sure that Hebrews was written by an apostle (although some believe it was written by either James or Paul), it says:

"IN THESE LAST DAYS HE HAS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, AND THROUGH WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE UNIVERSE." – HEBREWS 1:2

The author of Hebrews pulls from an Old Testament verse in Pslam 102:25-27 and attributes it to Jesus:

AND, "YOU, LORD, LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH IN THE BEGINNING, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORK OF YOUR HANDS;" – HEBREWS 1:10

"For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering." – Hebrews 2:10

Other verses such as Hebrews 3:3, Hebrews 11:3, and Pslam 33:6 also indicate in a more indirect way that the universe was created through Jesus Christ. This is a very pervasive and consistent belief held by the disciples, Paul, and other New Testament authors.

OLAADEGBU:


Jesus Created the Universe: The Deity of Christ

Jesus is our creator, claiming to be one with the God of the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus is identified as being the creator of the universe in at least 10 different ways:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/jesus-created-the-universe-the-deity-of-christ/

What does it mean when it says the universe was created "through" Jesus?

The Greek word for "through" is "dia" which means 'through', 'via', and 'by'. Dia is used 660 times in the New Testament, where it translates to "through" 184 times, "by" 131 times, and "because" or "because of" 77 times.

In the Septuagint, it also means "thanks to" or "with the aid of", but in this case this word is translated to "through". "Through", according to Merriam-Webster, is a word "used as a function word to indicate means, agency, or intermediacy: by means of, by the agency of, because of."

To say the universe was created through Jesus is to say it was created by the means of and because of Jesus. By the agency of Jesus Christ the universe was created. This is clearly established in the New Testament from the verses we just looked at, but is there any Old Testament support for this idea?

CHRIST JESUS WAS THE BEING THAT SPOKE TO MOSES FROM THE BURNING BUSH... HOW DO I KNOW? EXODUS 3:2- THERE AN "ANGEL OF THE LORD" APPEARED TO HIM FROM A BURNING BUSH. MOSES SAW THAT THE BUSH WASON FIRE, BUT IT WAS NOT BURNING UP..3- "THIS IS STRANGE!" HE SAID TO HIMSELF. "I'LL GO OVER AND SEE WHY THE BUSH ISN'T BURNING UP."

4- WHEN THE "LORD" SAW MOSES COMING NEAR THE BUSH, HE CALLED HIM BY NAME, AND MOSES ANSWERED, "HERE I AM"

5- "GOD" REPLIED, "DON'T COME ANY CLOSER. TAKE OFF YOUR SANDALS_THE GROUND WHERE YOU ARE STANDING IS HOLY.

NOTE! VERSE 2 STARTED WITH AN ANGEL OF THE APPEARED TO HIM FROM A BURNING BUSH.

THEN IN VERSE 6- THIS ANGEL OF THE LORD INTRODUCED HIMSELF AS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB. AND MOSES BECAME AFRAID TO LOOK AT GOD THE SON, HE THEN HID HIS FACE...

bloodofthelamb:
CHRIST JESUS WAS THE BEING THAT SPOKE TO MOSES FROM THE BURNING BUSH... HOW DO I KNOW? EXODUS 3:2- THERE AN "ANGEL OF THE LORD" APPEARED TO HIM FROM A BURNING BUSH. MOSES SAW THAT THE BUSH WASON FIRE, BUT IT WAS NOT BURNING UP..3- "THIS IS STRANGE!" HE SAID TO HIMSELF. "I'LL GO OVER AND SEE WHY THE BUSH ISN'T BURNING UP."

4- WHEN THE "LORD" SAW MOSES COMING NEAR THE BUSH, HE CALLED HIM BY NAME, AND MOSES ANSWERED, "HERE I AM"

5- "GOD" REPLIED, "DON'T COME ANY CLOSER. TAKE OFF YOUR SANDALS_THE GROUND WHERE YOU ARE STANDING IS HOLY.

NOTE! VERSE 2 STARTED WITH AN ANGEL OF THE APPEARED TO HIM FROM A BURNING BUSH.

THEN IN VERSE 6- THIS ANGEL OF THE LORD INTRODUCED HIMSELF AS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB. AND MOSES BECAME AFRAID TO LOOK AT GOD THE SON, HE THEN HID HIS FACE...

CONCLUSION: NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD THE FATHER AT ANY TIME, SO GOD THE SON WHO IS ALSO A MESSENGER OF GOD THE FATHER IS THE BEING THAT SPOKE TO MOSES.

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus Created the Universe: The Deity of Christ

Jesus is our creator, claiming to be one with the God of the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus is identified as being the creator of the universe in at least 10 different ways:

http://reasonsforjesus.com/jesus-created-the-universe-the-deity-of-christ/

The New Testament teaches that not only did Jesus die for our sins, he also created the universe. This makes Jesus both Messiah and God:

OLAADEGBU:


The New Testament teaches that not only did Jesus die for our sins, he also created the universe. This makes Jesus both Messiah and God:

Jesus surely partake in the creation work, as someone greater is giving him orders on what to do!
@ Genesis 1:3-26 someone keep giving instructions to the one doing the work saying 'LET or MAKE this be like...'
@ Proverbs 8:22-30 The worker explained that he was with God before everything was created.
@ John 1:1 The worker was identified as Godlike,God,a god,divine depending on the understanding of the interpreters.
@ 1Corinthians 15:28,29 The worker is said to be subject to the one who also subjected everything under his feet.
@ Colossians 1:15,16 The worker was identified as Jesus and it reads that everything was made by him and for him.
Jesus is truly God but he also has a higher authority that made him and gave him the privilege to serve as God just like Moses also served as God at a point in time! Exodus 7:1

Maximus69:


Jesus surely partake in the creation work, as someone greater is giving him orders on what to do!

Do you now agree that Jesus is your Creator?

Maximus69:


@ Genesis 1:3-26 someone keep giving instructions to the one doing the work saying 'LET or MAKE this be like...'

Why did you stop short of saying let? The verse says 'let us.' The moment you understand who the 'us' there means is the time you see the light.

Maximus69:


@ Proverbs 8:22-30 The worker explained that he was with God before everything was created.
@ John 1:1 The worker was identified as Godlike,God,a god,divine depending on the understanding of the interpreters.

Why do you subtly smuggle the word 'a god' where the Creator is meant to be?

Maximus69:


@ 1Corinthians 15:28,29 The worker is said to be subject to the one who also subjected everything under his feet.

Let us consider the verse below and see how it throws more light on the one you quoted up there:

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3).

According to this verse, can you tell me whether the man is superior to the woman or not?

Maximus69:


@ Colossians 1:15,16 The worker was identified as Jesus and it reads that everything was made by him and for him.
Jesus is truly God but he also has a higher authority that made him and gave him the privilege to serve as God just like Moses also served as God at a point in time! Exodus 7:1

You have to make up your mind here. Is Jesus truly 'God' or is Jesus truly 'a god'? Did Moses also partake in the work of creation?

OLAADEGBU:


Do you now agree that Jesus is your Creator?



Why did you stop short of saying let? The verse says 'let us.' The moment you understand who the 'us' there means is the time you see the light.



Why do you subtly smuggle the word 'a god' where the Creator is meant to be?



Let us consider the verse below and see how it throws more light on the one you quoted up there:

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3).

According to this verse, can you tell me whether the man is superior to the woman or not?



You have to make up your mind here. Is Jesus truly 'God' or is Jesus truly 'a god'? Did Moses also partake in the work of creation?

Somebody made Moses God the same way he made Jesus God and subjected everything under the feet of Jesus,i think your question should be directed to him!

Maximus69:
Somebody made Moses God the same way he made Jesus God and subjected everything under the feet of Jesus,i think your question should be directed to him!

where was it stated that Jesus was made God? Moses being made a god to pharaoh was only a metaphor.

bloodofthelamb:


CONCLUSION: NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD THE FATHER AT ANY TIME, SO GOD THE SON WHO IS ALSO A MESSENGER OF GOD THE FATHER IS THE BEING THAT SPOKE TO MOSES.

lies and confusion. The bible did not say NOBODY HAS SEEN GOD THE FATHER. The bible said nobody has seen GOD. It is either Moses lied hat he saw God or Jesus lied.

bloodofthelamb:
CONCLUSION: NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD THE FATHER AT ANY TIME, SO GOD THE SON WHO IS ALSO A MESSENGER OF GOD THE FATHER IS THE BEING THAT SPOKE TO MOSES.

TVSA:
lies and confusion. The bible did not say NOBODY HAS SEEN GOD THE FATHER. The bible said nobody has seen GOD. It is either Moses lied that he saw God or Jesus lied.

"Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
- John 6:46

God was not a Father when Moses spoke with God, besides, remember that God did not allow Moses to see His face anyway, when He said to Moses:"You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

MuttleyLaff:


"Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
- John 6:46

God was not a Father when Moses spoke with God, besides, remember that God did not allow Moses to see His face anyway, when He said to Moses:"You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

I'm talking about John 1:18 and John reiterated it in 1 John 4:12

No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us

And the Moses guy was confused. At a point, he would say God spoke to him face to face.

Exodus 33:11. And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle


At another he would say he didn't see God

TVSA:
I'm talking about John 1:18 and John reiterated it in 1 John 4:12

No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us

Yes, I know what you are talking about TVSA, but please try to grasp that it is true that no man has seen God in His full divine essense

TVSA:
And the Moses guy was confused. At a point, he would say God spoke to him face to face.

Exodus 33:11. And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle

At another he would say he didn't see God

You do know this much I guess, that God is a Spirit, dont you? That God hasnt got a face, that the phrase "the LORD spake unto Moses face to face," is not literal and physically, yeah?

MuttleyLaff:
You do know this much I guess, that God is a Spirit, dont you? That God hasnt got a face, that the phrase "the LORD spake unto Moses face to face," is not literal and physically, yeah?

lol, so what did Moses see when he saw God's back? isn't that literal too?

Maximus69:


Somebody made Moses God the same way he made Jesus God and subjected everything under the feet of Jesus,i think your question should be directed to him!

God is uncreated. Is Moses uncreated or has he ever created anything?

TVSA:
lol, so what did Moses see when he saw God's back? what isn't that literal too?

What Moses actually saw is how the Pentateuch managed to get written TVSA. Moses saw back into time, but wasnt allowed to see into the future. Get used to the allegorical part and/or side of the bible TVSA.

MuttleyLaff:
What Moses actually saw is how the Pentateuch managed to get written TVSA. Moses saw back into time, but wasnt allowed to see into the future. Get used to the allegorical part and/or side of the bible TVSA.

where did you get this your own interpretation? and how are you sure you are right and others are wrong? why was Moses face shining if he did not see God at all. And what happened in Numbers 12:6-8 when God told Aaron and Mariam that Moses saw his face and his form? ALSO, what did you mean that Moses did not see into the future? Moses has the greatest prophecy about the sacrifice of Jesus. He was not even classified with other prophets in the old testament

TVSA:
where did you get this your own interpretation?

From the bible, God of course and just from meditating on the word of God

TVSA:
and how are you sure you are right and others are wrong?

The bible and God have always been right. My Teacher, of course, who happens to be the Spirit of Truth, He guides me too, into all the truth, for He doesnt speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He discloses to me.

TVSA:
why was Moses face shining if he did not see God at all

If you too were to come from the presence of God, your face too will be shinning and others will be seeing the radiant glory of God on your face. Do you at all know what the conscious in presence of God feels like?

TVSA:
And what happened in Numbers 12:6-8 when God told Aaron and Mariam that Moses saw his face and his form?

TVSA, Numbers 12:6-8 is quite self explanatory and is obvious that God had a special and extraordinary relationship with Moses TVSA. God dealt with Moses differently the way he dealt with others like Aaron and Mariam

TVSA:
ALSO, what did you mean that Moses did not see into the future?

"¹⁷And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
¹⁸And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
¹⁹And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
²⁰And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
²¹And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
²²And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
²³And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."
- Exodus 33:17-23

I mean verse 18, in Exodus 33:17-23 above, where Moses asked to see God's glory, and God in verse 20, declined saying he cant see into that future, but in verse 23, said He'll let him see the past and not see what lies ahead in the future

TVSA:
Moses has the greatest prophecy about the sacrifice of Jesus.

"¹⁷Then the LORD said to me, “They have spoken well.
¹⁸I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. "
- Deuteronomy 18:17-18

"This is the same Moses who told the Israelites,
'God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers.'"
- Acts 7:37

Well, true and thats your proof he afterall is classified a prophet TVSA

TVSA:
He was not even classified with other prophets in the old testament

Although this isnt quite true, nonetheless if it were, it wouldnt be peculiar to Moses alone, there are others too who are prophets but are not outrightly classified as with other mentioned prophets TVSA

MuttleyLaff:
From the bible, God of course and just from meditating on the word of God

The bible and God have always been right. My Teacher, of course, who happens to be the Spirit of Truth, He guides me too, into all the truth, for He doesnt speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He discloses to me.

If you too were to come from the presence of God, your face too will be shinning and others will be seeing the radiant glory of God on your face. Do you at all know what the conscious in presence of God feels like?

TVSA, Numbers 12:6-8 is quite self explanatory and is obvious that God had a special and extraordinary relationship with Moses TVSA. God dealt with Moses differently the way he dealt with others like Aaron and Mariam

"¹⁷And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
¹⁸And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
¹⁹And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
²⁰And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
²¹And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
²²And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
²³And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."
- Exodus 33:17-23

I mean verse 18, in Exodus 33:17-23 above, where Moses asked to see God's glory, and God in verse 20, declined saying he cant see into that future, but in verse 23, said He'll let him see the past and not see what lies ahead in the future

"¹⁷Then the LORD said to me, “They have spoken well.
¹⁸I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. "
- Deuteronomy 18:17-18

"This is the same Moses who told the Israelites,
'God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers.'"
- Acts 7:37

Well, true and thats your proof he afterall is classified a prophet TVSA

Although this isnt quite true, nonetheless if it were, it wouldnt be peculiar to Moses alone, there are others too who are prophets but are not outrightly classified as with other mentioned prophets TVSA

Numbers12:6-8
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

This is very easy to understand. Moses was not like any other prophets in the Bible. That's why Jesus and Paul always refer to the old testament as the law and the prophets or Moses and the prophets. The distinction is always there between Moses and others. Moses had something different from what any other person had in the Old testament which God attested to himself in Numbers 12. Except if you are saying "The Lord" used by Moses throughout his books were mistakes or misinterpretation (which was an explanation by someone else on this subject)

TVSA:
Numbers12:6-8
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
This is very easy to understand. Moses was not like any other prophets in the Bible. That's why Jesus and Paul always refer to the old testament as the law and the prophets or Moses and the prophets.

Two people appeared and started talking with Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane. Do you remember and still know who the two were? Do you know what the symbolic meaning of their apperance and presence meant?

TVSA:
The distinction is always there between Moses and others. Moses had something different from what any other person had in the Old testament which God attested to himself in Numbers 12. Except if you are saying "The Lord" used by Moses throughout his books were mistakes or misinterpretation (which was an explanation by someone else on this subject)

There is no question or doubt about this TVSA, it's like I've already earlier said that God had a special and extraordinary relationship with Moses. I am quite sure you know that Satan, turned up after Moses' death, trying to take away illegally by force and/or by deception his dead body but Angel Michael rebuffed him in no uncertain terms.

MuttleyLaff:
Two people appeared and started talking with Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane. Do you remember and still know who the two were? Do you know what the symbolic meaning of their apperance and presence meant?

There is no question or doubt about this TVSA, it's like I've already earlier said that God had a special and extraordinary relationship with Moses. I am quite sureyou know that Satan, if turned up after Moses' death, trying to take away illegally by force and/or by deception his dead body but Angel Michael rebuffed him in no uncertain terms.

only an angel appeared at Gethsemane.

What's the significance of the death of Moses in this?

TVSA:
only an angel appeared at Gethsemane.

"²There He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
³Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus."
- Matthew 17:2-3

TVSA:
What's the significance of the death of Moses in this?

No significance except than his time was up, but for some reason, Satan thought he could turn up after Moses' death, try to take away illegally by force and/or by deception his dead body but Angel Michael rebuffed him in no uncertain terms. Just shows how significant Moses is, for the devil to be interested in acquiring his dead body for himself

MuttleyLaff:
"²There He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
³Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus."
- Matthew 17:2-3

No significance except than his time was up, but for some reason, Satan thought he could turn up after Moses' death, try to take away illegally by force and/or by deception his dead body but Angel Michael rebuffed him in no uncertain terms. Just shows how significant Moses is, for the devil to be interested in acquiring his dead body for himself

That wasn't Gethsemane.

TVSA:
That wasn't Gethsemane.

Let me pull a chair to sit down and listen, so you can tell where that was, if it wasnt the garden of Gethsemane then

MuttleyLaff:
Let me pull a chair to sit down and listen, so you can tell where that was, if it wasnt the garden of Gethsemane then

That wasn't Gethsemane. Gethsemane was the garden where Jesus prayed before he was arrested in

Matthew 26:36 KJV
Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.

Matthew 17 wasn't Gethsemane

TVSA:
That wasn't Gethsemane. Gethsemane was the garden where Jesus prayed before he was arrested in

Matthew 26:36 KJV
Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.

Matthew 17 wasn't Gethsemane

What is this place called then that he obviously came to pray at too?
Mount of Olives or the Mount of Transfiguration by any chance or perhaps?

MuttleyLaff:
What is this place called then that he obviously came to pray at too?
Mount of Olives or the Mount of Transfiguration by any chance or perhaps?

mount of transfiguration, I do not know. It was not in Jerusalem but gethsemane was after he entered Jerusalem

TVSA:
mount of transfiguration, I do not know. It was not in Jerusalem but gethsemane was after he entered Jerusalem

The Mount of Transfiguration is another name for Mount of Olives, as it is the mount or mountain at where the transfiguration of Jesus took place and when Moses and Elijah appeared talking with Jesus