Strike the shepherd and scatter the sheep . That's Satan strategy. The pastoral office and the church has been under sponsored attack .

From churches I know so far the pastors are mostly volunteers who have their jobs or businesses anybody can verify from our popular ministries over 90% of pastors are lay ministers who sacrifice to serve without any support from the church or salary . Rather they give offerings and tithes like everyone else . Why is the pastoral office so wrongly represented on the media . It's a satanic agenda .

The money given in church as offerings and tithe belong to God for the running of affairs of the church . Rentals ,venue etc. And of course salary of church workers . The only pastor that may receive support from church are pastors who have been mandated to resign from thier lucrative jobs to serve full time . Church money does not belong to the pastor . He doesn't even see the money nor receive them . Each ministry has structures and officials who attend to such . The pastors are the number one givers in the churches . It is wrong representation that the pastor isn't collecting tithes . He gives tithes because he's a God worshipper .

It's either you are being deceived or you are deliberately trying to deceive people. Which one?

OtemSapien:
It's either you are being deceived or you are deliberately trying to deceive people. Which one?

That's the truth you may counter it if you have facts that says otherwise . I know many church haters will not like this truth known . But what I said is the truth

petra1:


That's the truth you may counter it if you have facts that says otherwise . I know many church haters will not like this truth known . But what I said is the truth

Okay, lemme counter it. Yes pastors may be tithers, but they are also the eaters of tithes. They may tithe as eyes service, then the whole tithes, including the one they tithed themselves return to them. Simple logic.

The anti-tithers squad happen to be winning this battle this one that Uncle Joe Agbaje has started opening pro-tithing threads once again. 3 pro-tithing threads already between November 9th and 10th. It's like it's getting three times harder these days to convince mugus/magas to fall.

OtemSapien:
It's either you are being deceived or you are deliberately trying to deceive people. Which one?

As usual he does the latter!

kevoh:
The anti-tithers squad happen to be winning this battle this one that Uncle Joe Agbaje has started opening pro-tithing threads once again. 3 pro-tithing threads already between November 9th and 10th. It's like it's getting three times harder these days to convince mugus/magas to fall.



As usual he does the latter!

Now we are beginning to know the pastors in the house They'll do everything to see that they do #BringBackOurTithes
Without tithes, Christianity can't stand.

OtemSapien:


Okay, lemme counter it. Yes pastors may be tithers, but they are also the eaters of tithes. They may tithe as eyes service, then the whole tithes, including the one they tithed themselves return to them. Simple logic.

You are not a christian and you don't know how the church runs. A bank manager is not the owner of the bank money. A pastor is a volunteer , he's not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure . Pastors are not paid for thier work. Most ministry will not even send someone to pastor a church unless he has a lucrative job. He preaches ,counsel and goes home . The officials takes offerings to bank . Most the pastor may only look at the record to pray over it . The pastor is accountable to the church headquarters . He cannot make expenditure without approval from there . There are checks and balances . You guys just post your own mind online without getting facts

OtemSapien:


Okay, lemme counter it. Yes pastors may be tithers, but they are also the eaters of tithes. They may tithe as eyes service, then the whole tithes, including the one they tithed themselves return to them. Simple logic.

OtemSapien:


Okay, lemme counter it. Yes pastors may be tithers, but they are also the eaters of tithes. They may tithe as eyes service, then the whole tithes, including the one they tithed themselves return to them. Simple logic.

You are not a christian and you don't know how the church runs. A bank manager is not the owner of the bank money. A pastor is a volunteer , he's not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure . Pastors are not paid for thier work. Most ministry will not even send someone to pastor a church unless he has a lucrative job. He preaches ,counsel and goes home . The officials takes offerings to bank . Most the pastor may only look at the record to pray over it . The pastor is accountable to the church headquarters . He cannot make expenditure without approval from there . There are checks and balances . You guys just post your own mind online without getting facts

petra1:




You are not a christian and you don't know how the church runs. A bank manager is not the owner of the bank money. A pastor is a volunteer , he's not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure . Pastors are not paid for thier work. Most ministry will not even send someone to pastor a church unless he has a lucrative job. He preaches ,counsel and goes home . The officials takes offerings to bank . Most the pastor may only look at the record to pray over it . The pastor is accountable to the church headquarters . He cannot make expenditure without approval from there . There are checks and balances . You guys just post your own mind online without getting facts

Except if the churches stopped running as they used to run as at December 2015, because as at 31st December 2015, I was still a christian. Maybe you are talking about churches whose pastors aren't the founder. Any church founder doubling up as the pastor is in charge of the tithes and he had power to set up and disband committee members he set up by himself. Who dare questions the founder/pastor of a church.

BTW, are you a pastor?

OtemSapien:


Except if the churches stopped running as they used to run as at December 2015, because as at 31st December 2015, I was still a christian. Maybe you are talking about churches whose pastors aren't the founder.

If your attack in on General overseers (G.O) you should be specific . Even general overseers may not have absolute control. It's all assumption . Before you register a church you must have board of trustees . As long as there's no evidence of misuse of funds . Assumptions should not be entertained . Their should be verification of facts

petra1:


If your attack in on General overseers (G.O) you should be specific . Even general overseers may not have absolute control. It's all assumption . Before you register a church you must have board of trustees . As long as there's no evidence of misuse of funds . Assumptions should not be entertained . Their should be verification of facts

In a church, we have many pastors, not one. It's all the pastors that form whatsoever boards of trustees, bla bla bla and they share the tithes and offerings among themselves, but the G.O or whatever you call them take the lion share.

OtemSapien:


In a church, we have many pastors, not one. It's all the pastors that form whatsoever boards of trustees, bla bla bla and they share the tithes and offerings among themselves, but the G.O or whatever you call them take the lion share.

Pastors are volunteers like you. It’s a responsibility. The full time pastors do get some stipends . But can’t be compared to the lucrative jobs many of them sacrificed for the Call .

petra1:


You are not a christian and you don't know how the church runs. A bank manager is not the owner of the bank money. A pastor is a volunteer , he's not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure . Pastors are not paid for thier work. Most ministry will not even send someone to pastor a church unless he has a lucrative job. He preaches ,counsel and goes home . The officials takes offerings to bank . Most the pastor may only look at the record to pray over it . The pastor is accountable to the church headquarters . He cannot make expenditure without approval from there . There are checks and balances . You guys just post your own mind online without getting facts

Guy, you are irredeemable.

Deprofessional:


Guy, you are irredeemable.

You’re right A man can’t be redeemed twice

When u see a man invested in this tithe collection like Joagbaje, just know he owns a church or is planning to own a church in the future.
Now Daddy Freeze has reduced the number of gullible morons to help him fuel his tithe coveting habit.

NPComplete:
When u see a man invested in this tithe collection like Joagbaje, just know he owns a church or is planning to own a church in the future.
Now Daddy Freeze has reduced the number of gullible morons to help him fuel his tithe coveting habit.

Open your bible and Deal with the topic not personal attacks .

Joagbaje:


Open your bible and Deal with the topic not personal attacks .

You didn't even deny any of my assertions because u know I am right. You are now running around like a headless chicken and creating a tithe thread every other day just to see if u can reprogram people to become gullible morons. Perhaps offerings and tithes have reduced in your church these past few weeks.

Unfortunately for u, this trend will continue. People are reading the bible more and are getting tired of lining your pockets and not getting blessed by God like they were promised. Now thanks to social media, they know they are not alone in their distrust of shady pastors like you who subsist on tithes while promising their members to look to heaven for manna.

^^^^^

People will always get Blessed by giving . It’s a law . And there’s nothing you can do about . Plus all the devils of hell put together

NPComplete:
When u see a man invested in this tithe collection like Joagbaje, just know he owns a church or is planning to own a church in the future.
Now Daddy Freeze has reduced the number of gullible morons to help him fuel his tithe coveting habit.

Don't be petty



Stop shifting goal post

Pastor still dey give tithe?

Petra1, since daddy freeze started this anti-tithe move you have not had peace. Did daddy freeze hit a soft spot in you? or do you in person profit from tithe and feel the need to protect the pastorpreneurship business that has fed you this far? or have you been dreaming of participating in pastorpreneurship business?

You have been trying hard to convince the sheeples that tithing is a mandatory spiritual principle. Daddy freeze really did shake you

petra1:

Strike the shepherd and scatter the sheep . That's Satan strategy. The pastoral office and the church has been under sponsored attack .

From churches I know so far the pastors are mostly volunteers who have their jobs or businesses anybody can verify from our popular ministries over 90% of pastors are lay ministers who sacrifice to serve without any support from the church or salary . Rather they give offerings and tithes like everyone else . Why is the pastoral office so wrongly represented on the media . It's a satanic agenda .

The money given in church as offerings and tithe belong to God for the running of affairs of the church . Rentals ,venue etc. And of course salary of church workers . The only pastor that may receive support from church are pastors who have been mandated to resign from thier lucrative jobs to serve full time . Church money does not belong to the pastor . He doesn't even see the money nor receive them . Each ministry has structures and officials who attend to such . The pastors are the number one givers in the churches . It is wrong representation that the pastor isn't collecting tithes . He gives tithes because he's a God worshipper .

it is only a foolish idiot that will believe pastors give tithe.

petra1:


Pastors are volunteers like you. It’s a responsibility. The full time pastors do get some stipends . But can’t be compared to the lucrative jobs many of them sacrificed for the Call .

You have obviously been deceived.
Yes there are pastors who get paid stipends, but these ones are not the main pastors or the pastorpreneurs, they are mere workers in the organisation. The real pastors and pastorpreneurs are the ones chopping the money. Imagine, churches like deeper life will collect tithe and offering and send the whole Money to the headquarter church for kumuyi an the other ogas on top to flex while the small small pastors under them are languishing in poverty. They were not even called pastors until recently sef.

Martinez19:
Petra1, since daddy freeze started this anti-tithe move you have not had peace. Did daddy freeze hit a soft spot in you? or do you in person profit from tithe and feel the need to protect the pastorpreneurship business that has fed you this far? or have you been dreaming of participating in pastorpreneurship business?

You have been trying hard to convince the sheeples that tithing is a mandatory spiritual principle. Daddy freeze really did shake you

Nothing personal. I need to correct a lie . I wander why some of you don’t want to see the error where he misled .

Martinez19:
it is only a foolish idiot that will believe pastors give tithe.

Find out . Don’t just swallow all the anti church lies you see here.

Joyphoenix:
Pastor still dey give tithe?

A pastor who does business gives tithe .
A pastor who has a job gives tithe
A pastor who receives Stepends from church must still give tithe from the Stepends .

Joyphoenix:
Pastor still dey give tithe?

petra1:
A pastor who does business gives tithe
A pastor who has a job gives tithe
A pastor who receives stipends from church must still give tithe from the stipends

Nothing personal.
I need to correct a lie.
I wonder why some, don’t want others to see the error when and where they are being misled and demanded to give tithe

There is no must in giving, talkless of a must to give tithe.

It is nowhere written, to say exactly how much must be given or must be done.

It however, is written, that, without prejudice, you give how much you have decided in your heart, you give what you are please with and won't be sorrowful about it at the end of or after the giving

The percentage you give is not fixed or stipulated.
You can decide to give 1%,
Or decide to give 10% today, as in 10% equals a tenth or tithe.
Decide to give half or 50% tomorrow,
Decide to give all or 100%, the following day.
Decide to give nothing or 0% another day
Decide to give 1% again some other day

As we can see, there is nothing fixed.
Giving is not cast in a tithe or 10% stone.
Anyone that tells you different,
has a low understanding of each tithe mentions in the bible, particularly the tithe Abraham performed
and doesn't appreciate the revolutionary way of giving for the purpose of the Kingdom

MuttleyLaff:


Nothing personal.
I need to correct a lie.
I wonder why some, don’t want others to see the error when and where they are being misled and demanded to give tithe

There is no must in giving, talkless of a must to give tithe.

It is nowhere written, to say exactly how much must be given or must be done.

It however, is written, that, without prejudice, you give how much you have decided in your heart, you give what you are please with and won't be sorrowful about it at the end of or after the giving

The percentage you give is not fixed or stipulated.
You can decide to give 1%,
Or decide to give 10% today, as in 10% equals a tenth or tithe.
Decide to give half or 50% tomorrow,
Decide to give all or 100%, the following day.
Decide to give nothing or 0% another day
Decide to give 1% again some other day

As we can see, there is nothing fixed.
Giving is not cast in a tithe or 10% stone.
Anyone that tells you different,
has a low understanding of each tithe mentions in the bible, particularly the tithe Abraham performed
and doesn't appreciate the revolutionary way of giving for the purpose of the Kingdom

Why is this so DIFFICULT for tithers to see?

petra1:




You are not a christian and you don't know how the church runs. A bank manager is not the owner of the bank money. A pastor is a volunteer , he's not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure . Pastors are not paid for thier work. Most ministry will not even send someone to pastor a church unless he has a lucrative job. He preaches ,counsel and goes home . The officials takes offerings to bank . Most the pastor may only look at the record to pray over it . The pastor is accountable to the church headquarters . He cannot make expenditure without approval from there . There are checks and balances . You guys just post your own mind online without getting facts

but the money taken to the bank isn't sent into God's account directly right. why do we keep deceiving ourselves? It's obvious something is wrong along the line. and the reason why most serving pastors break away to found their own churches is simply cos of the maltreatment they get from the big pastors they serve under. They know there is money in it, not only tithes but offerings and seeds and first fruits e.t.c

petra1:


You’re right A man can’t be redeemed twice

You just killed the devil in the man!

OtemSapien:
You have obviously been deceived.
Yes there are pastors who get paid stipends, but these ones are not the main pastors or the pastorpreneurs, they are mere workers in the organisation. The real pastors and pastorpreneurs are the ones chopping the money. Imagine, churches like deeper life will collect tithe and offering and send the whole Money to the headquarter church for kumuyi an the other ogas on top to flex while the small small pastors under them are languishing in poverty. They were not even called pastors until recently sef.

You need to know that your efforts are futile.
As it concerns the Church of God, you are but a noise maker!
You aren't a stakeholder.
You are a God Hater like your Father, the devil...
Ask him to tell you truth, all of you are in a lost battle!
Tithe became a problem when God glorified His Church with prosperity and respect....Tithes are paid by us...Don't stress, we are fine!! Are you

petra1:


That's the truth you may counter it if you have facts that says otherwise . I know many church haters will not like this truth known . But what I said is the truth

Someone like the mofo who commented first.
His likes are serial liars and who considered other as their co.liars