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Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by purissimo1998(m): 8:17am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Na wa o |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Elnino4ladies: 8:17am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Free the sheeple I stand with daddy freeze 18 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by sainty2k3(m): 8:19am On Nov 11, 2017 |
I have never seen anyone forced to pay tithe at gun point. If you are not convinced , go away and enjoy your money in the bar as you have been doing. Who cares. It is also highly discriminatory and you will be committing same crime if you tag people paying there Titihe as fools , ignorant or 'sheeple' . let everyone continue has they have been convinced. Some people are convinced there is no God , you didn't spend energy convincing them 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by idu1(m): 8:20am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by iamkingzlee(m): 8:20am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Mehn, you can't just help but love freeze. He's all shade of intelligent 26 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by finest0007(m): 8:22am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bedspread: Is your God some mafia boss you're paying money to for prosperity or protection? If your religious leaders can't provide a solid response to an OAP on this issue, it says a lot. 37 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Jethrolite(m): 8:24am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bedspread:Abeg go sleep. If this is so potent, why does it not work for everyone? 33 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by greggng: 8:24am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Epic reply. Joshua vs wilder. E Don set be that. All this elders always using emotional blackmail to deceive the gullibles 16 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Maximus85(m): 8:24am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Igboblog: Apostle Sulaiman you asked for a debate, na only you ask ooo. But for the sake of your ministry, don't enter a public debate with daddy freeze oooo. Because he will decapitate you and you won't be able to survive the shame. But we are all waiting for the debate. We can't wait. 46 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by onyxo76(m): 8:26am On Nov 11, 2017 |
I'm getting tired of all this tithe issue, how does tithe paying affect this mr feeeze sef? i pay my tithe and i'm not complaining, looking forward to the day i'll be able to pay in six figures. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by brainpulse: 8:26am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Why is it those people that don't pay tithe are the ones complaining about it? If it is difficult for you to give God you don't see your 1 tenth, it will certainly be difficult to give to the poor. I am always happy when I cheerfully pay my tithe and I always pray to God that I have the opportunity to always do. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by dabeto: 8:26am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Our awesome God uses the foolish things to confound the wise......... The Freezer is becoming colder.......getting to freezing point 1 Like |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by seguno2: 8:31am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bomasek: .....who is more specific and sound about the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible compared to the fake pastorpreneurs who are milking their sheeple. Reminds me of the passage below: Matthew 25:31-46 King James Version (KJV) 6 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Revolva(m): 8:32am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bedspread: YOU BE HEAVY BRAIN WASHED PERSON AND ITS HAS GOTTEN USED TO YOU THAT YOU CANT CHANGE.....HAHAHA ACCEPT JESUS KER...DO YOU EVEN KNOW YOUR TRUE RELIGION 24 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by uzziwise: 8:32am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Why is tithe paining him like this?. People who pay it are not complaining 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by infantlion(m): 8:33am On Nov 11, 2017 |
The inability of our men of God to justify tithing biblically calls for questioning. ..Let's see how this ferry tale ends 13 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by hollowpot15684(m): 8:33am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bedspread: how do you know that you know.. how sure are you that you even have a string of knowledge. blindness sometimes may not be the absence of visuals, it could be a state of mind. a state where you choose not to see what you really need to see. as it is a choice to pay, its also wise to know that choices are sometimes wrong. but pls let me ask you, why you choose to take your tithe to church when someone around is extremely hungry.. do you prefer to take it to church, believing that is the only place God exist?? 28 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Activeman391(m): 8:33am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Oga frz is no different from those philosophers who question the existence of God. Well the Bible may not have indicated that the Disciples or Jesus paid tithe,but Jesus did constantly mention about giving alms and offerings to the poor,..Maybe the pastors are going about it the wrong way and what they use these tithes and offering for.However I will still stand that Christians give whatever they hard willingly for true promotion and spread of the Gospel. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by oruma19: 8:34am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Igboblog:all the pentecostal abi penterascal pastors joined together will never be able to debate this matter with daddy freeze. They should just apologize to the public for duping us by claiming tithes. Tithe is out of fashion, freewill giving is the new covenent. Why do these pastors fool themselves like this? I am so ashamed of them. They should eat the humble pie and apologize for stealing from God's children with the scripture. Haba. Daddy freeze will disgrace suleman very easily if he dares debate with him. He wants to fall his ministry now, I pity him. 34 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Nobody: 8:35am On Nov 11, 2017 |
pahen1991: See eh,sometimes I pity the way blackmen like you think and reason,spiri wetin ? If I hear , cos its not in ur bible dat Jesus have redeem us from the sins of the law,cos u don't know the only only way to God is believing in Jesus.u undermine the greatness of christ sacrifice by substituting money for faith in him,abeg was dare any time Jesus collected tithe or pressed the need to give? Instead he pressed on helping..“do me a favor by looking at ur self,infact step outside ur body and then look at ur self and see how you playing yourself” Indiara 20 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Minemrys: 8:36am On Nov 11, 2017 |
McBeal10:no mind am. 3 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by wildchild02: 8:36am On Nov 11, 2017 |
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Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Thinkfree(m): 8:37am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bedspread:what about the the so called unbelievers who don't pay tithe and are doing better than you today and forever? 24 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by IForgotMyLoginD(f): 8:37am On Nov 11, 2017 |
I'm on #TeamTithe but I absolutely applaud the way Freeze responds. Without abusing or insulting anyone, or adding sentiment. He's always careful not to make it 'sentimental'. 15 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by seguno2: 8:38am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bedspread: You must be joking. The looters and corrupt hypocrites who pay tithe and prosper are they “in good standing with Almighty God”? Does Dangote pay tithe? 20 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by oruma19: 8:38am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Elnino4ladies:I stand with daddy freeze because he has been able to convince me fro the scriptures that tithing is fraud in this dispensation. All pastors collecting tithe (liars) will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone Revelation 21:8. Gbam 17 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by akinszz: 8:39am On Nov 11, 2017 |
GavelSlam:remember you too will pari and they will call you Mr apari too. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Livefreeordieha(m): 8:40am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Igboblog:i don't know wat to say...So i will just chuckle sovietly and remember what someone once said here...That apostle wey nor fit cure bald hair...Iz dat one an apostle...Nor be me talk am Ooo...And nobody shud attack me ooo,cuz it's like I'm sleepy��� 7 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by Narldon: 8:41am On Nov 11, 2017 |
LIKE FOR FREEZE SHARE FOR SULEIMAN 36 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by OrnamentOne: 8:41am On Nov 11, 2017 |
THE COMPLETE TRUTH ABOUT TITHES as summarised by Reno Omokri The recent todo on the issue of tithing which was sparked up by popular On Air Personality, Daddy Freeze, is actually a sad reflection of the state of Christianity in Nigeria specifically and the Black world in general. Why? Because it proves that it is still true that if you want to hide anything from a Black man all you need to do is to put it in a book! If all those who have opined about this matter had cared to read about what The Holy Bible says about tithing, I am convinced that it would not have led to as big a controversy as it is today. So many people have spoken for and against tithing and the thing that bothers me most about their interventions is that it references their pastor, a certain sermon, their opinion or something they have heard. As a matter of fact, somebody commented that if only I read a certain book by David Yongi Cho, I would know that he (the commenter) was right in his opinion on tithing. On the issue of tithing as well as on any other ecclesiastical issue, there is only one reference point and that is The Bible. 2nd Timothy 3:16 says: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (KJV) This pretty much covers it. Any controversy about tithing must be settled by The Bible. The truth is that tithing as presently practiced by many churches, especially the so called Pentecostal or Evangelical churches, is unscriptural. Take away tithing and the attraction and motivation to be the founder and president of an ‘international ministry’ would disappear. The Bible actually warned us of such times as this in 1 Timothy 6:5-6. Constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. (NIV) The truth is that tithing is an age old AGRICULTURAL practice that predated even Abraham and Moses. Ancient communities, including African communities, set aside a certain potion of their harvest (usually a tenth) and sacrificed it to their gods through his priests. Now the tithing that Moses taught about was instituted by the living God because the Levitical priests were not given a portion of the land of Canaan as an inheritance and as a result they were to be supported by their fellow brethren. Numbers 18:20-21 says: The Lord said to Aaron, “You will have no inheritance in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and your inheritance among the Israelites.“ I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the tent of meeting. (NIV) From the above it is clear that the tithes were specifically gifted by God to the Levites. You will never find anywhere in Scripture were God, His Son Jesus or the early apostles and disciples asked the New Testament church to pay tithes to pastors. Pastors do not replace Levites. In the New Testament, pastors worked and earned a living. They were not dependent on the church and the following verse proves it. I have not coveted anyone’s silver or gold or clothing. You yourselves know that these hands of mine have supplied my own needs and the needs of my companions. In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.”-Acts 20:33-35. (NIV). The above was a farewell message from Paul who had pastored a church in Ephesus. I have been to Ephesus. I have been to the market where Paul had his tent making business. Neither Jesus, nor Paul nor any of the fathers of the early church collected any tithes from their congregation because they were not Levites who were prevented from doing any type of work other than temple service. Rather than tithing, the book of Acts teaches us in Acts 2:44-45 that the early Christians lived a communal life and shared EVERYTHING they had. All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Too often, pastors try to manipulate their congregation by quoting Malachi 3:8-10 “Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. “But you ask, ‘How are we robbing you?’ “In tithes and offerings. You are under a curse—your whole NATION—because you are robbing me. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. (NIV) I want my readers to note the words ‘NATION’ in the Scripture above. Scripture must be used to unlock Scripture. The above Scripture was directed to the NATION of Israel. This is clear from Malachi 3:6 “I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed” (NIV) The reason God said the Israelites were robbing Him is because, as I have proved above with Scripture, on their way to the promised land, God made a deal with them that He would not give the Levites a share of the land of Canaan so that they could focus on Him and the work of the Temple. In return the rest of the Israelites were to give God the tithes of their agricultural produce from the land He gave them and God in turn gave His tithes to the Levitical priesthood. It is funny that pastors who insist that Malachi’s verses on tithing must apply to them do not insist that other Old Testament provisions should also apply to them. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 commanded the ancient Israelites to stone their stubborn children to death. Are tithe receiving pastors then prepared to stone their own stubborn children to death because of that Biblical verse? Quoting an Old Testament verse to justify a New Testament life may appear hypocritical especially as Jesus, who is the author and finisher of our faith and His early disciples did not preach about tithing. Jesus talked about tithing only in passing while condemning the Pharisees. Pay your tithe if your conscience allows it, but don’t use Malachi to justify it. In the final analysis, I am not saying pay or don’t pay tithes. I am just presenting the facts as an ordained pastor. In fact, when the Pharisees insisted that the first Gentile converts to Christianity must be circumcised and keep the Mosaic Law, including tithing, the Council in Jerusalem overruled them and in Acts 15:19-20 gave only four commandments to the new Gentile believers and tithing was NOT one of those commandments. Jesus mentioned tithe once (in passing when admonishing the Pharisees) but He preached salvation over 100 times. Let our message in the church focus on Salvation not tithe! Abraham tithed. But He did not tithe to be blessed or that the devourer would be rebuked. In fact, the tithing that Abraham tithes was completely different from the tithing God commanded the Israelites to do. Abraham tithed from the goods he reclaimed from the kings he fought against. He did not tithe agricultural goods. Are those pastors who insist on collecting monetary tithes aware that money existed during the times of the ancient Israelites, yet God never told them to pay monetary tithes. He only requested for AGRICULTURAL tithes so the Levites who had no farms could eat. As a matter of fact, God told those Israelites who lived far away from the Temple not to even bother paying their agricultural tithes but to convert it to money and spend it on themselves. We see this in Deuteronomy 14:24-27: But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own. Yes, Abraham tithed from his military victory but it does not mean that you must also tithe. Abraham had concubines. By the same logic, you should also have concubines. The point I am trying to make is that the faith of Abraham culminates in Christ and under Christ, there is no compulsion to tithe. God has given each of us a conscience and His Spirit. If you are led to tithe then tithe. If you are not, then don’t. But let him that tithes not look down on him that does not tithe and let him who does not tithe not hold those who do in contempt. Your salvation is dependent on your faith in Christ Jesus and not whether or not you tithe. You can make heaven if you believe but don’t tithe but not if you tithe and don’t believe. As a New Testament believer, what is required of you is a willing offering not a compulsory tithe. This is why 2 Corinthians 9:7 says: Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. We ought to understand that the biblical practice of tithing had two origins. The first was from Abraham, the prophet and patriarch and the other is the Mosaic Law. In Christ, both the tithing by the prophet and the law have been fulfilled hence in Matthew 5:17 Jesus said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” So because of Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection, we do not need the Levitical priesthood as go betweens us and God since Jesus is “The Way, The Truth, and The Life.” (John 14:6) In the same way, we do not need Abraham’s blessings since God has blessed us “with every spiritual blessing in Christ.” (Ephesians 1:3). As a matter of fact, Colossians 2:10 teaches us that ‘we are complete in Christ’. So don’t let any pastor psyche you into believing that your worship of God is not complete until you have paid your tithe. #RenosNugget 37 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by jamace(m): 8:41am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bedspread:Hope you are "making it" with all sincerity, honesty and integrity? Because many cut corners and called it God's blessings. 7 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Replies Apostle Suleman On Tithing (Free The Sheeple) by jayson87: 8:42am On Nov 11, 2017 |
bedspread:Chaiii... you are so brainwashed. This is the 21st century! Wake up ! Son 11 Likes |
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