talk2percy:
so this is ur only concern, what the Muslims will say or think? Chai...indeed the sheep needs to be freed!!!

Talk is cheap. .... leave another person post. When you dey marry primary 4 kid, who cares? Abi when you dey carry 4 wives for house, who shout? Our ways are not your ways.... stay off....

EliteBiz:
Most churches dis days are business centre to be sincere, unfortunately, most people prefer this business centre to good churches this days, meanwhile, daddyfreeze or whatever, tread softly......U are attacking both the true and fake men of God, because of the few true Men of God, God might decide to punish you, tread softly, I am not saying Apostle Suleiman is fake or true sha

Those "few true men of God" are silent while those pastorepernuers are fleecing the masses. If God is going to punish anyone,he'll start with them.

A blast from Atina John in response to Reinhard Bonkie's comment during the farewell crusade in Lagos.
Evang. Charles Awuzie wrote:
A Nigerian prophet came to Durban some years ago and preached a message titled "Grace for New Levels"...he kept screaming "I prophesy, you shall get your visa to America" and nobody said Amen. It was in an 80% Indian Church. Nobody in that service needed a visa to America, they were very comfortable in South Africa. They visit America and come back to their good jobs and families. At the end of the service, the prophet chatted me on WhatsApp and told me that the people were not "RECEPTIVE" of his prophetic grace. He said that everytime he preached such messages in Nigeria, people will begin to testify of getting visas etc.
I said to him...
"My brother, calm down. South Africans are not running away from their country like Nigerians. South Africa has a functional system unlike Nigeria. If the Nigerian Government was functional, no Nigerian would say amen to prophecies like getting a visa. Visa is not the gospel, new car is not the gospel, new house is not the gospel, these things can be bought by anybody who earns an average salary in this country. Next time, just preach Jesus and the people will be open to receive Jesus."
His response was very embarrassing and I can't even reproduce it here.
The things Nigerians sow seeds for back in Nigeria are freely available in functional societies.
Nigerian Christians fast, bind wicked uncles and sow seeds for visas... South African, British and American Christians just get their papers together and proceed to the embassy and get their visas. The difference is not spiritual, the difference is in the functionality of the systems.
A Nigerian tithes to prosper, the rest of the world work in multiple jobs, engage in business and prospers. The difference is not spiritual, the difference is in the functionality of the system.
90% of Nigerian pastors in South Africa complain that South Africans don't take God serious and I laugh at them. Nigerians don't take God serious, not South Africans. A Nigerian drug dealer will have drugs in his pocket while leading in intercessory prayers. A South African will rather stay back at home than to come to church and live a hypocritical life. So who is really joking with God?
I know how Nigerian internet love scamners sow seeds to prophets for god to make their victims fall into their scam.
Nigeria is not a godly nation, we are a religious nation. All our political leaders claim that it was God who put them there.
Nigerians should go and seek God without attaching their needs. Then we will know that we are truly a God loving nation. For now, we are just the most religious nation in Africa.
We are using God to get visas, cars, health, houses, marriage etc.

[quote author=bedspread post=62269079].

I KNOW WHERE I AM @ THIS POINT IN MY LIFE NOW THAT AM CONSISTENTLY TITHING....



ONCE YOU HAVE JESUS CHRIST, ALL THESE TITHE TALKINGS WILL MEAN NOTHING TO U..[/quote

What really is your message? Speaking with a forked tongue........my life is sooo much better because I'm consistently paying tithes........once you have Jesus tithes don't matter.Which is it?
@ topic......is Freeze really attacking the pastors?......or exposing them? I don't understand how these ehmmm.... pastors be raising the dead and performing all these miracles but can't quote from the Bible to counter what Freeze is saying.

Daddy Freeze shouldn't be dignified with a response by any pastor. If Christians know their God and want to see the work of God done, paying tithes shouldn't be an issue.

Talking about Jesus and his apostles not collecting tithe from followers, well Jesus didn't set-up a worship centre. He didn't have to pay rent or buy musical instruments. Nevertheless, when he was to feed the multitude, he got the bread and fish from the people present.

The apostles also had to raise money at a time and people volunteered to sell off some items and remit the funds to the apostles. Now because it wasn't tagged "tithe" isn't what should matter.

Instead of looking for what the bible doesn't say we should practice that is done in the church, we should be concerned about what the bible encourages us to do that we leave undone.

God's flock is not in captivity so the #FreeTheSheeple movement is a serious joke.

Let the just live by faith.

PrecisionFx:


Which means we don't have any real pastors in nigeria.

Any church where women are allowed to dress anyhow, is a no no to me.

Religion is quit different from other institutions in the sense that it deals with supernatural and unseeing power. therefore you intervene spiritually. when you are serving something and you gain nothing from it within first year please quite, it is not by force. those people paying tithes must have gained something if not, they would have quite. nobody is forcing anybody to pay tithe. if any church is forcing you to pay tithe please leave if you find it uncomfortable, those people find it comfortable will pay willingly. I use to criticize other religions until I found that it is a choice. this nation will better place for us if we mind our businesses.

Acidosis:
The way Freeze and his cohorts cry over this tithe issue is becoming worrisome.

You guys don't even realize the fact that in any religious organization or NGO, you can't control what and how people should give.

A single woman recently built a #1bn cathedral for Living Faith Church, and you guys think Pastors/Churches survive on Tithe/Offering?

Freeze's arguments are highly laughable. People donate willingly in most Churches even without being compelled.

Na golden cathedral

bedspread:
MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE......

I DONT CARE WHETHER MY PASTOR OR WHOEVER EATS MY TITHE OR NOT...

I KNOW WHERE I WAS WEN I DECIEVED MYSELF AND JOKED THINKING I WAS BEING SMART WITH NOT PAYING.

I KNOW WHERE I AM @ THIS POINT IN MY LIFE NOW THAT AM CONSISTENTLY TITHING....

ITS A CHOICE...... ITS YOUR CHOICE..

ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST IS THE GREATEST GOOD U CAN DO TO YOURSELF.... ONCE YOU HAVE JESUS CHRIST, ALL THESE TITHE TALKINGS WILL MEAN NOTHING TO U..

People perish for lack of knowledge, can't the same be said of you?

BRAV0O:



Dem child of the world many of you are agent of the last days sign according to the scriptures and you don't even know

I used to be like you until I grew to have sense. Keep on waiting for one last day until you live your life foolishly , grow old and die

ogologoamu:


Any church where women are allowed to dress anyhow, is a no no to me.

So oyedepo is a fake pastor then.

crayon001:
Daddy Freeze shouldn't be dignified with a response by any pastor. If Christians know their God and want to see the work of God done, paying tithes shouldn't be an issue.

Talking about Jesus and his apostles not collecting tithe from followers, well Jesus didn't set-up a worship centre. He didn't have to pay rent or buy musical instruments. Nevertheless, when he was to feed the multitude, he got the bread and fish from the people present.

The apostles also had to raise money at a time and people volunteered to sell off some items and remit the funds to the apostles. Now because it wasn't tagged "tithe" isn't what should matter.

Instead of looking for what the bible doesn't say we should practice that is done in the church, we should be concerned about what the bible encourages us to do that we leave undone.

God's flock is not in captivity so the #FreeTheSheeple movement is a serious joke.

Let the just live by faith.

Well said my brother. In Luke 21 Jesus collected the last money a widow had (widow's mite) and use it to teach about giving with all your heart.

Lekison:
The more i pay my tithe, the more blessings fall on me....am happy paying my tithe (my choice).....if you dont like it, jump inside the lagon.

gbam

bomasek:
Freeze is a good writer

...and that's all that he is "...a good writer".

PrecisionFx:


So oyedepo is a fake pastor then.

Pls don't put words into my mouth.

Freeze be giving these Pastorpreneurs tough time , and the Pastors can not give a sound rebuttal sef.

U promote this Freeze of a man by answering him. Just be mute to him he will assimilate all his pride. Tithing still remain one of the commands of our Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 23 vs 23)

Mariangeles:
If you really study the scriptures, you wouldn't type what you typed.
Go and study the scriptures very well about Jesus Christ and the apostles.
Freeze is just an attention seeker who's bored with life.
He's allowing the devil to use him to bring division to the body of Christ.

And you as stupid as you are think you are making any sense

EliteBiz:
Most churches dis days are business centre to be sincere, unfortunately, most people prefer this business centre to good churches this days, meanwhile, daddyfreeze or whatever, tread softly......U are attacking both the true and fake men of God, because of the few true Men of God, God might decide to punish you, tread softly, I am not saying Apostle Suleiman is fake or true sha

You have to be free from the poor mentality that God Almighty punishes humans. God Almighty has no negative emotion of anger, offence etc. The gods who are his creatures are the ones who possess anger, jealousy and such like. Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Mazda and all other creatures of God can get angry but not God Almighty who created them. So don't bring God Almighty into the matter of punishment or no punishment, he doesn't thread such step.

EliteBiz:
Most churches dis days are business centre to be sincere, unfortunately, most people prefer this business centre to good churches this days, meanwhile, daddyfreeze or whatever, tread softly......U are attacking both the true and fake men of God, because of the few true Men of God, God might decide to punish you, tread softly, I am not saying Apostle Suleiman is fake or true sha

You have to be free from the poor mentality that God Almighty punishes humans. God Almighty has no negative emotion of anger, offence etc. The gods who are his creatures are the ones who possess anger, jealousy and such like. Yahweh, Allah, Moloch, Mazda and all other creatures of God can get angry but not God Almighty who created them. So don't bring God Almighty into the matter of punishment or no punishment, he doesn't thread such path.

Is Freeze really attacking these pastors?....or exposing them? Help me understand why these pastors who preach and quote soooo much about tithes....... and even be performing miracles ......refuse to counter what Freeze is saying. Is that the best they can do?...tell him to basically shut up?

Livefreeordieha:
i don't know wat to say...So i will just chuckle sovietly and remember what someone once said here...That apostle wey nor fit cure bald hair...Iz dat one an apostle...Nor be me talk am Ooo...And nobody shud attack me ooo,cuz it's like I'm sleepy���

You and d guy are wrong. Now, I am not debating whether apostle Svleman is true or fake as I cannot vouch for most ''men of God'' in Nigeria. But you cannot use dat logic. Why? In d scriptures Prophet Elijah was said to be bald, he performed many miracles, n he surely was a man of GOD. 2 Kings 2:23. Shalom.

bedspread:
MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE......

I DONT CARE WHETHER MY PASTOR OR WHOEVER EATS MY TITHE OR NOT...

I KNOW WHERE I WAS WEN I DECIEVED MYSELF AND JOKED THINKING I WAS BEING SMART WITH NOT PAYING.

I KNOW WHERE I AM @ THIS POINT IN MY LIFE NOW THAT AM CONSISTENTLY TITHING....

ITS A CHOICE...... ITS YOUR CHOICE..

ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST IS THE GREATEST GOOD U CAN DO TO YOURSELF.... ONCE YOU HAVE JESUS CHRIST, ALL THESE TITHE TALKINGS WILL MEAN NOTHING TO U..

Exactly!

ogologoamu:



Jesus collected offering even from a poor widow (widow's mite), pls get your facts right read Luke 21 down.

If your daddy freezer knows the scripture as you claim, where's his wife?.

As stupid as you are, do you think you are making any sense

bedspread:
MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE......

I DONT CARE WHETHER MY PASTOR OR WHOEVER EATS MY TITHE OR NOT...

I KNOW WHERE I WAS WEN I DECIEVED MYSELF AND JOKED THINKING I WAS BEING SMART WITH NOT PAYING.

I KNOW WHERE I AM @ THIS POINT IN MY LIFE NOW THAT AM CONSISTENTLY TITHING....

ITS A CHOICE...... ITS YOUR CHOICE..

ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST IS THE GREATEST GOOD U CAN DO TO YOURSELF.... ONCE YOU HAVE JESUS CHRIST, ALL THESE TITHE TALKINGS WILL MEAN NOTHING TO U..

I don't pay tithe and financially I am doing very well, God keeps blessing me
.
Stop deceiving urself, tithers n none thithers are making money day in day out.

Bill gates n mark zuckerberg aren't Christians, and they are richer than most people on earth.

Atheists, Buddhists, Deists, Christians, Muslims, strange white garment members, Eckankar, Animists, Panatheists etc are all wealthy on earth n God blesses them all.

Paying tithe does not translate to blessings from God.

IamtherealRita:



Daddy Freeze has nothing to worry about on this matter, any man who claim that he is of God will not be part of such group of Pastors, I just hope you are not one of their sheep

I am not.....mind ur business

kevoh:
Freeze be giving these Pastorpreneurs tough time , and the Pastors can not give a sound rebuttal sef.

Jesus did not give Satan a "sound" rebuttal when Satan instructed Him to turn stone to bread

ogologoamu:


Pls don't put words into my mouth.

As long as the words am putting agree with ur beliefs

vickeybrown92:


all this controversy of pastor collecting tithes.. is not among the old generational churches.... like Baptist, Apostolic Faith, catholic... e. t. c

Young man the issue in the church today is not just about tithing, any Church that lead people to any way contrary to the way of Christ, are classified as the same. Please don't worsen the matter

babfet:
In my own humble opinion, the answer is in John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Please let note the word whosoever
God has the power to force everyone of us to be Christian, Muslim, Hindu or anything he wants us to be but yet he gives us free will to choose.i stand to be corrected have never seen or hear any pastor that arrested anyone for not paying tithes and paying tithes does not means you will become rich doing nothing cos the bible says faith without work dead.
Some people believes in giving to orphanages while some will never give. It is all about choice
Have you ever wonder why suicide bombers kills themselves it is all about choice.
Also I want to say this even if Bill Gates gives all his money to the poor that will not put an end to poverty
So if all these pastors sell their properties and gives to beggars on the street there will be another sets of beggars tomorrow
Above all just follow the religion of your choice and worship at place of your choice,all church doctrine are not same. Some allows ladies to wear jewelries while to some it isn't great sin. Vision and doctrine are different .

Let me shock you sir.A lady was denied a scholarship in one of these Mega church because her parents amount on their 'tithe card' is small compare to the other applicant's parents amount.In other words,the selection was based on how much their parents pay as tithe.

ayukdaboss:

#FreeTheSheeple
There are people who are more judicious than you are in their tithing still facing financial challenges till tomorrow

Do you have evidence of such people or are you just typing...?

bomasek:
Freeze is a good writer

No doubt. Very good one