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Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Nobody: 5:27pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
NgcoboP: Why should this Be followed and others which included vices, sacrifices and other nasty things be ignored? |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by PaChukwudi44(m): 5:28pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
zoedew: says a fraudster when he is caught and boxed into a corner 3 Likes |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by pepemendy(m): 5:28pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Shegzy8:thanks mehn, i appreciate |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by IMASTEX: 5:30pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Bonapart: Let every man give according to what he has proposed in his heart. Cheerfully should he give. Whether you call it, tithes, offering, seed, sacrifice, etc matters less to God as long as there is a giving out of free will. I suggest you give all instead of just a small % to God. It is at the last day many will know that giving covers time, talent, etc to the glory of God. 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Bonapart(m): 5:30pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
spartacus11:stick to what you believe okay? Ain't no one threatening you or pointing a gun at you to tithe. But I beg you, don't derail people from tithing cos only that you won't get to get away with |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by ebakhaiyhe(m): 5:31pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
When you give to God, it should not be out of compulsion nor fear but out of love |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by dynamix101(m): 5:32pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
The issue of tithing and its rightful place being in the Old Testament is very funny. Do we scrap the entire Old Testament because we are in the dispensation of grace? Do the 10 commandments become of no effect to us now? Do God's promises and instructions become of no effect to us now? Read this article with an open mind The scripture most frequently referenced regarding the tithe is indeed in the Old Testament (Malachi 3:10-12), but the tithe is also referenced in the New Testament. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy and faith. He then goes on to tell them that they should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't neglect the more important things. Jesus recognized the importance of keeping the tithe and we should, too. There are many practices in the Old Testament that don't make sense to us today, yet many of these ancient ways carry over to the New Testament law of grace as part of Christ's promise to not abolish the law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17). For instance we no longer sacrifice animals but as believers we are called to offer ourselves up as a living sacrifice (Rom 12:1). Men no longer are required to be circumcised, but we all have a circumcision of the heart through the Holy Spirit (Rom 2:29). Most of us don't have grain and produce to bring to the storehouse, but we do have incomes that we can bring the first tenth of into the church. In other words, just because something is written in the Old Testament doesn't mean it lacks application to us today in some way or another. Zoe4Ever, left a comment on my previous article regarding this principle that I found insightful: When I think of Christians asking themselves whether "tithing" is commanded in the Bible, is an Old Testament or New Testament teaching, I wonder how many of these Christians "send back" the many scriptural blessings God has given His people in the Old Testament. How many people when they are blessed and given hope through the mention of God's works, words etc. through the Old Testament Scriptures say ‘I don't receive this or that blessing or confirmation because it's in the Old Testament'?" While it is true that we are no longer under the old law, that we are under grace, we must not forget the purpose of grace: to help us live for God and do the things He wants us to do. Romans 8:4 tells us that Jesus came that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, not so that we could altogether dismiss it. And Romans 3:21-31 talks about how we have righteousness through faith and not through following the law, but verse 31 adds "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." God's grace gives us the power and ability to tithe! Let us not be deceived by false doctrine and teachers 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by lloyds(m): 5:33pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Even if Satan himself comes out to tell me not to tithe, I would just be laughing at him. The Lord has blessed me so much from it, and 10% is even small. If I start narrating my testimonies, my data will finish. 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Einl(m): 5:42pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by paulynpen(m): 5:44pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
zoedew:Are you serious? Or you are on" high" something |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by GBJakes(m): 5:45pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
lacidi:U r right sir, the best sacrifice in the new covenant, is that of our lives , that should come first before any other thing. That's is God's priority. |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by darlenese(f): 5:45pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
in other words Freeze is right ! Christianity didnt even start from the old testament , Jesus himself didnt pay tithe or talked about it . breeze don blow ,fowl anus don open 2 Likes |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by IMASTEX: 5:47pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
zoedew:That is the whole idea. Salvation is gradually been commercialized. Jesus had to chase some for turning His house into a market, same is happening now. At bolded, why not read from chapter 1 of the same Malachi to get clearer understanding for yourself. Not the pastors interpretation. What explanation do you also have for Deut: 14. How come none of the pastors reacting are willing to quote at least a verse to prove there point rather personal and emotional explanation. The new testament said it all, "give all to God according to your heart". 10% is even nothing. 2 Likes |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Nobody: 5:47pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
His Grace The most Reverend Nicholas Okoh Primate church of Nigeria Anglican communion He has spoken and so be it........ 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by oruma19: 5:55pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Daddy freeze, thus says the lord, My covenant of peace is upon you after the order of Phinehas, the grandson of Aaron the priest because of the zeal that u have shown in upholding my word and turning away my wrath from this generation. I shall bless and expand your coast beyond measures and make you a wonder unto many . Numbers 25: 1- end, psalm 71:7. The Lord of host has spoken.... 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by kjhova(m): 5:55pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
zoedew: My dear friend, be less emotional about the fact that tithing is being debated in public space and you might gain a little knowledge from the discuss. Malachi 3:10 is the steady back up for many churches in demanding your tithe but have they ever read Deuteronomy 14:22-27 to you before? Now let's put the torchlight to your claim above that "...tithe is commanded for Christians and not folks who do not believe in Christ". This statement is incorrect. In fact it is a lie by a magnitude of 2 to 3. Nowhere, in the New Testament (otherwise called the Christian Bible) are Christians instructed to pay tithe to anyone. There is no evidence at all that Jesus and/or his immediate apostles after him ever preached the payment of tithe never mind collecting such from anybody. The Malachi, whom the churches quote so often, was a prophet under the law whose specific mission was to the Jews and whose admonition to pay tithe was solely in accordance to the law in order to provide for the priests who are forbiden from commercial activities. According to Revelations 22:18-19, anyone who corrupts or changes the word of God, either by adding to it, or taking from it, shall face the consequences. Why then do the churches add to the word of God by declaring curses on members who refuse to pay tithe? Why do churches add to the word of God by demanding that you pay tithe when there are no longer priests who are forbiden to work? From all evidence available from the Christian scriptures as well as contemporary writings of the first century A.D., The early church did not collect tithe from worshipers. Therefore, these latter day denominations (for they are not really churches in the sense of the days of Acts) are scammers for demanding tithes from worshippers. 3 Likes |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by kolaaderin: 6:00pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Bonapart: The same height Dangote, Buhari and other blessed Muslims never attained in life without tithes. Giving is different tithing, and very rich Christians mostly gives in form of charity to the less privileged not 10% of there money to one fake pastors on a monthly basis. Any pastor receiving 10% of Bill gates income on a monthly basis should be on the forbes list by now. What I'm I even saying, bill gate himself is not even a christian and he is stupendously blessed. 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by AreaFada2: 6:01pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Slaveman343:There is nothing like tithing in the teaching of early Christianity. Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses. The bits of the old laws that we need to keep were re-iterated by Jesus. Like the ten commandments in the Old testament. Cash was never demanded from those who were not land workers. Money already existed before Moses. The Bible would have clearly mentioned it. Or instruct farmers to give 10% of money got from their sale of produce to God. It never happened. Jesus scolded the Pharisees that they paid tithes but didn't do the greater work of God. Of which from Jesus' preaching, love is the most important law. The very moment Jesus died, we were liberated from old laws such as circumcision. Jesus preached those that should remain. There are many ways to give to the church and the needy as early Christians were instructed. Tithe is not one of them. Abraham paid tithe on war booty to Melchizedek. A specific occasion. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that he paid any tithe on his personal wealth. Jacob promised to pay a tithe if God kept him safe and guided him. There is no where in the Bible that confirms that Jacob actually paid the tithe. Being a good servant of God let us assume that he did. But nowhere in the Bible says Jacob's tithe was an ongoing one. To say that "oh God has blessed me, I can pay tithe, even more than 10%" is pure ignorance cum hypocrisy. Why do what is not Biblical (since not incumbent open Christians) and ignore Jesus' command of love as the greatest law? Like not giving to the poorest people around you as a show of love. The Primate just indirectly condemned churches by saying no curse or punishment awaits those who do not tithe since it is not compulsory. Because the fear of damnation/curse is what the vast majority of churches use to compel people to pay tithes. 3 Likes |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by oruma19: 6:02pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
I love u with the love of GOD. U are one of us missing the true preaching we used to hear in the early days of Christianity in Nigeria. The days are coming back don't worry. God is working to return His people to true worship. Nice and perfect commentary. kjhova: |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by miketayo(m): 6:03pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Bonapart: And u think u r a Christian with this statement.. what were Jesus words? Whatever you do to d least of my brother you do to me.. whenever ever u help d poor or needy God sees it Nd bless u not when u give it to some pastors that threatens you. Read Ur bible especially d gospels Nd learn how a Christian should live 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by oruma19: 6:09pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
lacidi:in summary, tithe is a scam! Say it as it is Mr primate. God loves people who fight His cause. Numbers 25:1-end |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by spartacus11(m): 6:12pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Bonapart: Get away with from who? Typical religious fellow, same fear factors ur religious leaders have used to scare u away from questioning doctrines 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by spartacus11(m): 6:13pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
miketayo: God bless u for this piece 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Nobody: 6:14pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
When you are paid like a king but you live like a maid...no savings, indebted to subordinates or mates, struggling to achieve what your counterparts achieved with little stress, hard for you to keep track of your expenses, zero impact on peoples life... It is time for you to try tithing... Even if you are a general in the free sheeple army of Mr Freeze... |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by greatermax77(m): 6:20pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
God do not your money |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Bonapart(m): 6:26pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
spartacus11:thank you |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Bonapart(m): 6:26pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
miketayo:oga you must need give the poor that's for sure and you must also pay to God |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Bonapart(m): 6:28pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
kolaaderin:they all make their sacrifice I different ways.... Most of the people you mentioned are in procession of evil money |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by Bonapart(m): 6:29pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
IMASTEX:you have well said God speed bro 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by IMASTEX: 6:32pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
akinemma1:You spoke my mind. You added a new one at bolded. Powerful quote 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by vivalavida(m): 6:33pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
I am proudly an Anglican Thanks sir for the summation 1 Like |
Re: Primate Nicholas Okoh Speaks On Tithing by dannielight(m): 6:41pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
I am sorry to shock you. I am a child of God. I have a covenant relationship with my God and my saviour. I DO NOT PAY TITHES! I AM NOT IN ANY COVENANT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD FOR 'PAYMENT' OF TITHES! (Only the Jewish nation and her priest do) I believe in GIVING...no one that is truly born again should have problems with giving. I mean GIVING and giving all to the Lord. I GIVE TITHE TO MY LORD...i do not pay tithe. That is what i know and believe. You always need to 'pay' for whatever service deliveries that you are owing based on signed agreements and/or covenants. I was never part of any such agreement or covenant sir. My fathers were never part of such covenants. The prophet-priest, Malachi was used by God to speak to 'a' nation...a particular nation - Israel and the people in the regularly quoted Malachi 3:16. I am from one of the nations of the earth hitherto referred to as "gentile". I am grafted, by God's mercy to the commonwealth now, based on a FRESH, NEW & BETTER COVENANT! This relationship is based on LOVE and GRACE! Lovers do not 'pay' each other rather they give! This new relationship is the envy of Satan and his cohorts. Their job is enticing us to DOWNGRADE our liberties in Christ to inferior agreement (The Sinai Agreements) which by the Blood of Jesus, had been superseded, discarded and has faded away! I am a child of God based on fact that He (God) GAVE freely His Only Begotten Son for me. He gave 100% of that Life. Therefore i must live by the principle of Love (and not Law) by giving back willfully what belongs to Him as appreciation of the love relationship. My entire life belongs to Him, 100%! I can’t pay Him, i am not asked to pay...but encouraged to give as a sign of honour to the One who has given me this new life. 'Paying' of Tithes (10%) must of necessity stop at death, isnt it? Giving of Tithes and our entire self (100%) will continue throughout Eternity! This is what is in the original plan of God not the Sinai Temporal Agreements. My conviction sirs. For God so loved the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son...whosoever believes on Him... Do i believe? Believe on Him and the One He gave? Yes i do. Finally, i have no right to judge or condemn whoever still believes in PAYING. Everyman according to the level of illumination he has received. As long as you do not erode your relationship with the Saviour from grace down to law, be faithful in Christ. One day, we shall all come to the unity of faith and understanding. Love always! The assessment of ambiguity is entirely yours. When you 'give' to your loved ones (parents, children, wife and friends, relations), are you 'paying' them or 'giving' based on love relationship? At any rate, some get it and some disagree, what does matter that is that we understand what exactly makes the New Covenant different from the Old, and recognise that the New is not just new but better and has replaced the Old. The Old is gone! If i sound like 'flexing muscle' then i regret that. That is not my intention. Of course there are issues on which i am totally dogmatic. Then i shall exert all muscles possible This laid it all to rest 1 Like 1 Share |
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