Covert1:


Nigerians calling me out lol! Listen kid, there are Nigerians and there are Nigerians. So that's not an escape for u neither is calling me Augustine escape. I won't let this pass. Did u hear me? Cowards! That u and ignoramuses here don't know international relations don't mean I'll let it adorn nairaland.

Everything I write is continually validated here day by day only insolent-proud-I-too-know humans here act about it with f.oolery yet go behind to steal points and quote it by other terms here. I have talked on regional powers, what it means and the coercive measures it can bring to bear by various means. So, you are clearly not getting it. Because u're a kid I'll tell you again, now u cancel and remain mediocre as ur retort indicates or sit at the foot of the teacher and learn:

Long story short, you see what happened or is happening in SADC won't happen in ECOWAS, period. Why? Because an Hegemon exists: Nigeria. The states know Nigeria has the military threat dimension which don't necessarily have to be used but just the fact it exists brings Nations into acquiescence of the hegemon. I could draw you a scenario of measures Nigeria could employ in Zimbabwe to determine the outcome it wants and would it act yes it would. Failure to act makes it weaker. That's a regional power. It surreptitiously, covertly, overtly, economically or militarily determines the fate of nations under it's sphere of influence.

AK and indeed others I remember has been drawing for blood in Zimbabwe to show your military might now he's singing a different tune. Next time when a Nigerian talks y'all should just shut up and acknowledge whose your boss. That's the fact.

Here you are babbling nonsense. You think after all the noise you southies make of your capabilities condescending on us at every turn and the opportunity presents itself to prove it and you failed again I'll swallow it hook line and sinker, nah, imma call you out so it's documented. Where's your shiny Gripens? but alas the Zims know you have no combat capability. You can't fight. If you were a threat those Generals would dare not do what they did knowing the consequences. What happened in your backyard won't happen here and everyone knows it but the bias of ur media cousins especially bbc would have us read a different narrative to make SA still appear relevant in power dynamics but would never give Nigeria it's due. No, you are not.

One phone call from a Nigerian General and any officer planning a coup in sub-Saharan Africa will think twice and stand down.

I can't continue to indulge a kid. Oya cancel and get a jolt to your veins. The point has been made. SA military power and regional claim only exists on paper. Covert has been validated again and will be validated again.

LOL the biggest power in your neck of the wood is France and every one knows it.

patches689:



So happy that the light is starting to shine at the end of the tunnel...

But, god, if Dlamini-Zuma wins, I reckon thats it. Curtains for RSA.

If Dlamini-Zuma wins, I will personally sell my belongings and jump ship from Satafrika


But I have hope in private sector South Africa, they'll always find ways to detach from South African current affairs eg the building of private cities like Styne City and Waterfall City.... You'll simply move to the west coast and build a series of private cities there and probably create a private government system based on economic efficiency with mini defence capabilities. You could literally ditch the Rand and trade with crypto currencies and the dollar. The ANC and it's supporters seem to be clueless about that part of the country so you could literally pull off.

Covert1:


[s]Nigerians calling me out lol! Listen kid, there are Nigerians and there are Nigerians. So that's not an escape for u neither is calling me Augustine escape. I won't let this pass. Did u hear me? Cowards! That u and ignoramuses here don't know international relations don't mean I'll let it adorn nairaland.

Everything I write is continually validated here day by day only insolent-proud-I-too-know humans here act about it with f.oolery yet go behind to steal points and quote it by other terms here. I have talked on regional powers, what it means and the coercive measures it can bring to bear by various means. So, you are clearly not getting it. Because u're a kid I'll tell you again, now u cancel and remain mediocre as ur retort indicates or sit at the foot of the teacher and learn:

Long story short, you see what happened or is happening in SADC won't happen in ECOWAS, period. Why? Because an Hegemon exists: Nigeria. The states know Nigeria has the military threat dimension which don't necessarily have to be used but just the fact it exists brings Nations into acquiescence of the hegemon. I could draw you a scenario of measures Nigeria could employ in Zimbabwe to determine the outcome it wants and would it act yes it would. Failure to act makes it weaker. That's a regional power. It surreptitiously, covertly, overtly, economically or militarily determines the fate of nations under it's sphere of influence.

AK and indeed others I remember has been drawing for blood in Zimbabwe to show your military might now he's singing a different tune. Next time when a Nigerian talks y'all should just shut up and acknowledge whose your boss. That's the fact.

Here you are babbling nonsense. You think after all the noise you southies make of your capabilities condescending on us at every turn and the opportunity presents itself to prove it and you failed again I'll swallow it hook line and sinker, nah, imma call you out so it's documented. Where's your shiny Gripens? but alas the Zims know you have no combat capability. You can't fight. If you were a threat those Generals would dare not do what they did knowing the consequences. What happened in your backyard won't happen here and everyone knows it but the bias of ur media cousins especially bbc would have us read a different narrative to make SA still appear relevant in power dynamics but would never give Nigeria it's due. No, you are not.

One phone call from a Nigerian General and any officer planning a coup in sub-Saharan Africa will think twice and stand down.

I can't continue to indulge a kid. Oya cancel and get a jolt to your veins. The point has been made. SA military power and regional claim only exists on paper. Covert has been validated again and will be validated again.[/s]

The ramblings of a child. Lots of words, no substance.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe we (and the rest of SADAC) want a coup?

Its posts like this why no one (even your brethren) takes you seriously.

andrewza:





LOL the biggest power in your neck of the wood is France and every one knows it.

Lol! Andrewza don't just go there, my adrenalin is a notch higher today and I'm ready for combat. Conspiracy theories are not facts.

Covert1:


[s]Lol! Andrewza don't just go there, my adrenalin is a notch higher today and I'm ready for combat. Conspiracy theories are not facts.[/s]

French have more combat jets in your region than you do...

patches689:


The ramblings of a child. Lots of words, no substance.

Tell me - has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, we want a coup?

Its posts like this why no one (even your brethren) takes you seriously.

Lol! Whose begging for faceless people to take me seriously? Again you're cowering behind innuendos kid. Last I checked Patch you were among those calling for an invasion of Zimbabwe should the Mugabe succession get out of control. It has! SA where at thou to invade? Glory is begging

Kid let it go. Just admit your country or let me not be hard on you even though I should but u're just a kid—your leadership dey fall una hand.

patches689:


French have more combat jets in your region than you do...

T'is not about France, it's about Zimbabwe don't change subject. And no they don't have more combat jets in the region if u mean numbers.

Breaking: President Buhari calls for respect of the Constitution in Zimbabwe. Abuja monitoring the situation which is very fluid closely.

Covert1:


[s]Lol! Whose begging for faceless people to take me seriously? Again you're cowering behind innuendos kid. Last I checked Patch you were among those calling for an invasion of Zimbabwe should the Mugabe succession get out of control. It has! SA where at thou to invade? Glory is begging

Kid let it go. Just admit your country or let me not be hard on you even though I should but u're just a kid—your leadership dey fall una hand. [/s]

You constantly beg to be taken seriously - "I am a military analyst", "I am a spy" (Posts photos of "spy uniform" and "gun" "I work with top USAF fighter pilots" - examples of your prior infantile ramblings. The ramblings of a sad little man, whos stutter has given him an inferiority complex which he desperately tries to compensate for online.

Now you come and write a fvking wall of text - desperately trying to, well, I dont know what you are trying to do. You see Augustine, you have lost all credibility. No one gives a single flying-fvck about your opinion - look at the responses you get, people dont engage. They just poke fun at you.

Its hard not to, when someone makes the argument that one country should invade another - without any legal justification to do so - so that they may show how "tough they are".

That is quite literally how a childs mind works.

To all intent and purposes what is happening in Zimbabwe is a coup. Putting your commander-in-chief under house arrest is a coup. Under AU statutes there is a legal justification for intervention whether through diplomacy or other instruments of international pressure.

Covert1:
[s]To all intent and purposes what is happening in Zimbabwe is a coup. Putting your commander-in-chief under house arrest is a coup. There is a legal justification for intervention whether through diplomacy or other instruments of international pressure. [/s]

No, r.et.ard - "Doctrine of Successful Revolution"

Fvcking hell - talking to us about geo-pol and he understand the most basic principles.

Covert1:


T'is not about France, it's about Zimbabwe don't change subject. And no they don't have more combat jets in the region if u mean numbers.

So why did you bring in Nigeria. Any case fact is yes South Africa does not have a massive difference in power over SADC. It not due to a weak South Africa but a strong SADC with multiple big hitters like Angola, Tanzania, Zambia, extra.

Now concerning Zimbabwe, fact is people either don't care about a coup, are happy for it or even support it.

So far there is no justification for a intervention in Zimbabwe. No call for aid or any human right violation.

patches689:


You constantly beg to be taken seriously - "I am a military analyst", "I am a spy" (Posts photos of "spy uniform" and "gun" "I work with top USAF fighter pilots" - examples of your prior infantile ramblings. The ramblings of a sad little man, whos stutter has given him an inferiority complex which he desperately tries to compensate for online.

Now you come and write a fvking wall of text - desperately trying to, well, I dont know what you are trying to do. You see Augustine, you have lost all credibility. No one gives a single flying-fvck about your opinion - look at the responses you get, people dont engage. They just poke fun at you.

Its hard not to, when someone makes the argument that one country should invade another - without any legal justification to do so - so that they may show how "tough they are".

That is quite literally how a childs mind works.

This guy here is Augustine Oso Ebosele, he was deported in Zambia. He made claims that he was a pastor/prophet/investor... This could be the very Augustine who claims to be in the USAF or spy/military researcher.

Smh.....here we go again

Covert1:


Nigerians calling me out lol! Listen kid, there are Nigerians and there are Nigerians. So that's not an escape for u neither is calling me Augustine escape. I won't let this pass. Did u hear me? Cowards! That u and ignoramuses here don't know international relations don't mean I'll let it adorn nairaland.

Everything I write is continually validated here day by day only insolent-proud-I-too-know humans here act about it with f.oolery yet go behind to steal points and quote it by other terms here. I have talked on regional powers, what it means and the coercive measures it can bring to bear by various means. So, you are clearly not getting it. Because u're a kid I'll tell you again, now u cancel and remain mediocre as ur retort indicates or sit at the foot of the teacher and learn:

Long story short, you see what happened or is happening in SADC won't happen in ECOWAS, period. Why? Because an Hegemon exists: Nigeria. The states know Nigeria has the military threat dimension which don't necessarily have to be used but just the fact it exists brings Nations into acquiescence of the hegemon. I could draw you a scenario of measures Nigeria could employ in Zimbabwe to determine the outcome it wants and would it act yes it would. Failure to act makes it weaker. That's a regional power. It surreptitiously, covertly, overtly, economically or militarily determines the fate of nations under it's sphere of influence.

AK and indeed others I remember has been drawing for blood in Zimbabwe to show your military might now he's singing a different tune. Next time when a Nigerian talks y'all should just shut up and acknowledge whose your boss. That's the fact.

Here you are babbling nonsense. You think after all the noise you southies make of your capabilities condescending on us at every turn and the opportunity presents itself to prove it and you failed again I'll swallow it hook line and sinker, nah, imma call you out so it's documented. Where's your shiny Gripens? but alas the Zims know you have no combat capability. You can't fight. If you were a threat those Generals would dare not do what they did knowing the consequences. What happened in your backyard won't happen here and everyone knows it but the bias of ur media cousins especially bbc would have us read a different narrative to make SA still appear relevant in power dynamics but would never give Nigeria it's due. No, you are not.

One phone call from a Nigerian General and any officer planning a coup in sub-Saharan Africa will think twice and stand down.

I can't continue to indulge a kid. Oya cancel and get a jolt to your veins. The point has been made. SA military power and regional claim only exists on paper. Covert has been validated again and will be validated again.

Augubugu is yet again high on Ozone

Algerian SF fan video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvH2cr9aluw

jakeporeshenko:
Pictures of Soldiers in Harare CBD by Shepherd Tozvireva

pls any idea the make of that tracked APC

SANDF

It has been close to 24 hours, it does appear that:
a) The A.U. having not come out forcefully to declare this a coup are in a wait and see mode.
b) Whatever Political credit Uncle Bob had with PJZ has been used up over the years and deep down really want him gone .
c) Nigeria's position as articulated by PMB while stressing the need for respect for the constitution, has not exactly called for Uncle Bob's whereabouts .
d)In a bitter twist of Irony , the President of Botswana and outspoken critic of Uncle Bob announced he was stepping down at the end of his tenure, it now appears Uncle Bob beat him to the punch.

finally, mugabe is gone.
man.... this kinda coupe is very laudable.
i doubt any sane leader will stick it's head out for the old power hungry f00l.
congratulations zimbanwe

Tweets from one of our defence researchers. Just putting it out there as random thread info/pics....not meant to start a fight.

* backs away slowly with hands in the air *

Zimbabwe military chief was in china last week,How strange!

A trip to Beijing last week by Zimbabwe’s military chief was a “normal military exchange”, China’s Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday, after the military in the southern African nation seized power.
Zimbabwe’s military took control targeting “criminals” around President Robert Mugabe but gave assurances on national television that the 93-year-old leader and his family were “safe and sound”.
General Constantino Chiwenga met Chinese Defence Minister Chang Wanquan in Beijing on Friday, where Chang expressed a willingness to promote relations with Zimbabwe, China’s Defence Ministry said in a short statement last week.
The ministry showed a picture of the two men, both wearing military uniform, shaking hands, and another one of officers from both countries sitting opposite each other holding a meeting at the People’s Liberation Army headquarters in Beijing.
Asked whether Chiwenga had briefed China on plans to seize power, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said the Defence Ministry had already released information about his trip and that he didn’t have an understanding about the specifics of his reception in China.
“I can only tell you that his visit to China this time was a normal military exchange mutually agreed upon by China and Zimbabwe,” Geng said, referring other questions to the Defence Ministry, which has yet to respond to a request for comment.
“As a country that is friendly with Zimbabwe, we are paying close attention to developments of the situation in Zimbabwe,” Geng added. link http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Zimbabwe-military-chief-China-trip-normal-visit/539546-4187684-7vmgeb/index.html

andrewza:



So why did you bring in Nigeria. Any case fact is yes South Africa does not have a massive difference in power over SADC. It not due to a weak South Africa but a strong SADC with multiple big hitters like Angola, Tanzania, Zambia, extra.

Now concerning Zimbabwe, fact is people either don't care about a coup, are happy for it or even support it.

So far there is no justification for a intervention in Zimbabwe. No call for aid or any human right violation.

Now you make a good point speaking of the countries you mentioned. We might just throw in Namibia they are not exactly a push over. I expected that from you though as I've been wanting a southie to be objective, no! I don't mean the ignoramuses on here bragging about none existent capability which is why I call them out for documentation. People should be held accountable for their comments here when the chickens come home to roost. Patch and Ak & Co. along with their chief jingoist have long spoken of an invasion of Zimbabwe even when I told them at pains SA can't and won't do it but instead of learn what they don't know they resort to insults and cheap escape.

Speaking of the situation in Zim right now, military intervention will lack home support in Nigeria or elsewhere as Mugabe has become odious. However soldiers welding political power in Africa today upends AU statutes justifying an intervention by other means which will come by relevant stakeholders.

As you have pointed the strengths of the SADC member nations validates my point de jure that SA' regional influence as touted exists only on paper and not in practicality. Nigeria, is de facto the regional hegemon in West & Central Africa for which a different scenerio would have played out. In this case Nigeria will still intervene one way or the other not to prop up Mugabe but to establish constitutional order which is in our national security interests having been prone to coups in the past. The AU has that clause for a reason.

Covert1:


[s]Now you make a good point speaking of the countries you mentioned. We might just throw in Namibia they are not exactly a push over. I expected that from you though as I've been wanting a southie to be objective, no! I don't mean the ignoramuses on here bragging about none existent capability which is why I call them out for documentation. People should be held accountable for their comments here when the chickens come to roost.[/s] Patch and Ak & Co. along with their chief jingoist have long spoken of an invasion of Zimbabwe even when I told them at pains SA can't and won't do it [s]but instead of learn what they don't know they resort to insults and cheap escape.

Speaking of the situation in Zim right now, military intervention will lack home support in Nigeria or elsewhere as Mugabe has become odious. However soldiers welding political power in Africa today upends AU statutes justifying an intervention by other means which will come by relevant stakeholders.[/s]

No I havent, Augustine. There is no need to lie. The only person here talking about an invasion is you - you are arguing against yourself again!

Please learn to draw distinctions between your fantasies and our realities.

newafricaken254:
Zimbabwe military chief was in china last week,How strange!

A trip to Beijing last week by Zimbabwe’s military chief was a “normal military exchange”, China’s Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday, after the military in the southern African nation seized power.
Zimbabwe’s military took control targeting “criminals” around President Robert Mugabe but gave assurances on national television that the 93-year-old leader and his family were “safe and sound”.
General Constantino Chiwenga met Chinese Defence Minister Chang Wanquan in Beijing on Friday, where Chang expressed a willingness to promote relations with Zimbabwe, China’s Defence Ministry said in a short statement last week.
The ministry showed a picture of the two men, both wearing military uniform, shaking hands, and another one of officers from both countries sitting opposite each other holding a meeting at the People’s Liberation Army headquarters in Beijing.
Asked whether Chiwenga had briefed China on plans to seize power, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said the Defence Ministry had already released information about his trip and that he didn’t have an understanding about the specifics of his reception in China.
“I can only tell you that his visit to China this time was a normal military exchange mutually agreed upon by China and Zimbabwe,” Geng said, referring other questions to the Defence Ministry, which has yet to respond to a request for comment.
“As a country that is friendly with Zimbabwe, we are paying close attention to developments of the situation in Zimbabwe,” Geng added. link http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Zimbabwe-military-chief-China-trip-normal-visit/539546-4187684-7vmgeb/index.html

Not even the most haphazard, backyard coup is plotted over a week. And in this day and age, if information/orders needed to be passed by China he didn't have to be physically there. Plenty of covert ways.

Hell they were even sending ravens in Game of Thrones, no need to ride to Castle Black .

ssaengine:


Not even the most haphazard, backyard coup is plotted over a week. And in this day and age, if information/orders needed to be passed by China he didn't have to be physically there. Plenty of covert ways.

Hell they were even sending ravens in Game of Thrones, no need to ride to Castle Black .

so your saying they have failed and what is your point !?

newafricaken254:
so your saying they have failed and what is your point !?

He is saying that the China link may be a dead end because if you are planning a coup the last thing you do is travel to that country and meet those parties infront of the worlds media and before the eyes of your own president.

Its 2017, they could have organised the coup via twitter

newafricaken254:
so your saying they have failed and what is your point !?

"Zimbabwe military chief was in china last week,How strange! "

This implies China has something to do with it. If China has anything to do with it, it wasn't planned a week ago. So there's nothing strange in your "how strange!"

Covert1:


As you have pointed the strengths of the SADC member nations validates my point de jure that SA' regional influence as touted exists only on paper and not in practicality. Nigeria, is de facto the regional hegemon in West & Central Africa for which a different scenerio would have played out. In this case Nigeria will still intervene one way or the other not to prop up Mugabe but to establish constitutional order which is in our national security interests having been prone to coups in the past. The AU has that clause for a reason.

"South Africa has no power because they didnt invade to not prop up Mugabe"

"Nigeria has lots of power, but will also not invade to not prop up Mugabe"

(When you contradict yourself in your own post)

patches689:


No I havent, Augustine. There is no need to lie. The only person here talking about an invasion is you - you are arguing against yourself again!

Please learn to draw distinctions between your fantasies and our realities.

Where's your brigade-sized exercises kid? They should come in handy

You can mock and insult kid, it's your forte. Fact is your country South Africa has failed again. Your leadership is an embarrassment. Own up. Zimbabwe will never happen in Nigeria's neck of the woods because we are Africa's superpower. Go cry! Pained kid.

Covert1:


Where's your brigade-sized exercises kid? They should come in handy

You can mock and insult kid, it's your forte. Fact is your country South Africa has failed again. Your leadership is an embarrassment. Own up. Zimbabwe will never happen in Nigeria's neck of the woods because we are Africa's superpower. Go cry! Pained kid.

So you are saying that we should invade to protect Mugabe?

patches689:


Augustine, stop trying to stir this into an RSA v Nigeria thing.

Everyone else has moved on from the other thread - why cant you? Is it because your buttocks are still raw from the hiding we gave you?

My hats out to SupremeCourt! I hail Ooo! Everything you bragged against him is now egg on your face. Shame! Here's Zimbabwe you bragged about invading, solve it and we will give you a sit among men. Now run along the Baba in Abuja is now trying to get u out of this one, again. Just this once, after this you will be left to be humiliated by Botswana.