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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:18pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Joebie: I repeat, no one is against enquiring. The call is against convincing. It is easier for us to identify those who want to play for us by them declaring. As for the young ones that want to wait, I wish them the best. My concern is with those who want to represent us. Finito. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 9:20pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Mujtahida:Lmaoooo I wonder too. Has a poor touch but great final pass. Na wa for Nacho ooo |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:23pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
okay.. Idowu, Aina, Iwobi etc should have declared first your unreasonable pride will kill you. kwantinue!!! TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 9:25pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:I beg to disagree regarding what you call a misconception. Not to be too effusive but Joebie's analysis is spot on. The misconception you wrote about is really you misconceivibg obvious facts by saying that we adopted a 'conservative' approach in the first half. Noo no no. Rather the players were 'conservative' not the approach. Joebie did not say that Shehu was poor. This is what he said "Olaoluwa Aina and Abdullahi Shehu did not perform to expectation, especially as they did not offer much options going forward." and this is because as Mikel said they were playing a new system for the first time. Aina and Shehu are simply not suitable for the set up. In the second half did Rohr switch the system or the personnel? Did he become 'radical '? No he did not. The system, the approach, the tactical formation remained the same but the personnel changed. All the players still played the same role as they did in the first half. What Rohr did was that he brought in two players who were suited to the system and bang! It worked. So there's no misconception in what Joebie wrote. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:26pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Joebie: The point is too simple. No one is against Enquiring (not begging). It is EASIER to identify players when they declare. I Wonder why this is incomprehensible. What is pride in that? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 9:28pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
forgiveness:Iheanacho is a better finisher and has a better final ball. Solanke is more mobile, skillful and technically gifted. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:29pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
We are going in circles. I just made you understand that majority of these players making us proud now did not declare for us first.. it's a lazy approach to wait for them to declare. That is pride, and that's my point. You are waiting for them to declare because even if you enquired you could still be "slapped on the face"..lol modified how do you enquire? TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 9:31pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:You've just reminded me of what Keshi said when he was asked of Abiola Dauda...he said he hadn't contacted him and can go play for Serbia if he wants. That's not always the right approach. You first have to ask to find out where their allegiance lies. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:32pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Misconception is not only about Bryan's article but from other comments and articles. People are tagging Shehu poor or to the article's point of not performing as expected. Rohr set-up the team in a conservative way in the first half. You can judge to our playing approach of giving the ball back to the Argentines with little bravery to play. So saying Shehu Abdullahi did not perform as expected does not work. You do not set-up a team to play in a conservative manner and criticise the players for not playing in an offensive fashion. The changes was to get us to play in a more offensive fashion. It is so simple. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:34pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Not that you can change the set-up of a formation from a conservative to a progressive set-up through a change of personnel. That was precisely what Rohr did. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:34pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: The point is the guys we have didn't declare, so why make it any different? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 9:36pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:Simple question: did the coach change the formation in the second half? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 9:37pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
MetalJigsaw:It should be 25. It's even a more apt figure than 23 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:39pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Joebie: It is not lazy. The players out there should know that the easiest path for the crew to know they are available is by them declaring themselves ready and willing to play for us. After they do that, it makes it easier for the crew to reach out to them. People like Iwobi and Aina had ties that made it easy to reach out to them to enquire. Apart from that, we can end up with repeated embarrassing situations like Jordan Ibe and Nedum Onuoha. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:40pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: After watching the match again I don't think we were that poor. The boys really were unlucky to go 2 goals down because I don't see anything special in what Argentina played. I am not sure that the second goal wasn't offside in the build up and Akpeyi's really was a freak accident. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:41pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
I think the writer was saying the substitutions made the difference. The formation remained the same. We can't be sure if Rohr instructed Aina and Shehu not to go forward and be more defensive minded during the first half. You are making assumptions. Personally, I think it was a like for like substitution after the first half. We played 3-5-2 which can easily translate to 5-3-2 when defending. Both Idowu and Ebuehi did just that in the second half. TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:41pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Mujtahida: You must not change formation to change the team's set-up. I have already explained to you that you can play the same formation with a different set-up through change in personnel. The point is too clear. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 9:42pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Argentina Drubbing: It was the best night of my life, says Brian Idowu Super Eagles’ debutant, Brian Oladapo Idowu, has said he’s in cloud nine after scoring less than ten minutes after coming on for Nigeria against Argentina on Tuesday night, AOIFootball.com reports. The 25-year-old Russian-born Nigerian, who just switched allegiance to play for the Super Eagles, told AOIFootball.com exclusively that it was a dream come true for him to finally play for Nigeria. “To be honest, I am short of words to describe how I feel right now. Should I just say this is the best night of my life, yet may be if I make it to the World Cup then it will surpass this achievement for me,” Idowu said. Idowu, who was born and raised in St. Petersburg to a Nigerian father and a Russian mother, also praised the technical crew and players of the Super Eagles for welcoming him with open arms to the team. “I must show my appreciation to the coaches and my teammates and to all Nigerians who made this debut possible for me, because without you, all this might not have been possible. “I am a proud man today because I chose to play for one of the best national teams in the world and we demonstrated it by beating Argentina. I am very confident we can replicate this kind of form at the World Cup next year. The Amkar Perm of Russia defender continued: “It’s always a joy to score a goal as a defender but when you score on your international debut, then I will say it is an amazing feeling for me. I am super excited and I hope this will not be my final game for the Super Eagles of Nigeria. “I know I may sound over-ambitious, but I definitely want to represent my fatherland at the World Cup come next year in my country of birth. I know the competition in the national team is intense but I believe I have what it takes to be a part of this great squad,” Idowu concluded. Idowu made a sensational debut for the Super Eagles after replacing Ola Aina at half time, and put the Nigeria 3-2 up, nine minutes later before Alex Iwobi made it 4-2 on the night to complete a massive turnaround for Nigeria in Krasnodar. http://aoifootball.com/2017/11/15/argentina-drubbing-it-was-the-best-night-of-my-life-says-brian-idowu/ 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:42pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
@ bolded. very WRONG assumption TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by soetanoreoluwa(m): 9:43pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Icon4s: Well done sir... I really appreciate your work.. And for not swiping it under carpet... Am sure NFF will get to see it.. As someone suggested add the link into it... Great job sir |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 9:44pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Joebie:No need going over this issue again. Your position has been well articulated here several times. You will only keep going in circles. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:45pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Joebie: Analysis is making assumptions by watching playing patterns. I even went as far as pointing out our turnover rate to express that we were playing conservatively in the first half. It is something I have sang about repeatedly and called for a more offensive set up. Rohr played in a conservative manner and Shehu played it well. When Rohr switched to a more offensive set-up, Ebuehi excelled. So I am against tagging Shehu poor because he played well with respect to the set-up. Do you remember Chelsea playing a similar formation against Manchester City but the set-up was negative. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:46pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Joebie:That is not an assumption. It is more of a suggestion. They should know it is easier to get reached when they declare. Gerrit? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 9:47pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
MetalJigsaw:3-4-3 accommodates V.Moses perfectly well. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 9:48pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
komekn:Hmmm na one. Look at how you are choke full of and dripping with bias. Solanke is a failure at Liverpool too abi If dem see this your posts now and dem begin accuse you of being biased no talk ooo 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 9:52pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
edi287:This is the simple point that has been drummed here using different words like engagement, rapport etc but No, some refuse to see the point. How can you make a blanket prescription that any and all FB players must first declare for us like Balogun before we invite them. Are they all Balogun? I drop this issue. I wont be sacked into it. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by terzurum5(m): 10:02pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
mank1234:Collin (not Collins) Udoh 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:02pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: This is either sophistry on your path or your misconceptions or we are using the same words to talk about different things because for me set up means tactical formation while personel means the players. Both the personel and the tactical formation must match if a coach's strategy must pay off. So Please how can the bolded be done because what I see is just words flying around. It's simple Bro. Rohr simply brought in Ebuehi and Idowu and that changed the game. The set up, the formation remained the same. The approach in terms of formation and tactics remained the same whether conservative or radical. Rather perhaps you mean to say he removed the 'Conservative' Shehu and Aina and brought in the 'offensive' Ebuehi and Idowu. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kakamorufu(m): 10:04pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
A day without reading this thread is like a day without sunshine. ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:08pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Chrismario: You miss the point completely. Aluko was called he answered and put up a commanding performance. He was in the EPL at this stage. And after him.and Hope did so well they call ups ended we then took a number of mediocre players to the World cup. Nonetheless. Aluko has been continously consistent with very good performances. At both championship and EPL. in the current team there isn't anybody that will leave him standing. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:08pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: For a start, Balogun declared. I knew we stood a big chance with Aina when he sent kits home and tagged the picture with sending it to his fatherland. We can not reach out to everyone or make a catalogue of those to visit and enquire. The easiest way is to declare. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:10pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Humility017: Hull have expressed interest openly. |
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