Ken4Christ:


First of, who told you tithe money was used to build university? Are you one of their accountants? It is wrong to reach such a conclusion. I am not a member of winners Chapel but I know the Covenant University is an example of what you are referring to.

The are many other ways men of God make their money outside the tithe they receive. Money can be made through books you write. One good book that makes a record sale can give you millions of naira. Bishop Oyedepo is a prolific writer and I am sure he makes so much money from his books.

Another source is messages recorded in different format.

That he built a university doesn't necessarily mean it was the tithe money.

I am personally not comfortable with the fact that most of their members cannot afford to attend the school. This is another issue all together.

Concerning the deviation you noticed about the present day Church not showing much care for her members, this is another issue all together. But there are Churches that do show care. So, your duty is to locate such Churches and give the best of your support.

you are a thief! A cradle robber if not you fail to tell us the book oyedepo write that earn him the billionaire status it remains in your imagination, you tried to play along saying you are not comfortable with people not able to attend schools built with tithe monies but summersulted when you couldn't establish his sources of those billions outside tithe and stolen offerings habaaa

BERNIMOORE:
you , you tried to play along saying you are not comfortable with people not able to attend schools built with tithe monies

Did he say the schools were build with tithes monies

BERNIMOORE:
you are a thief! A cradle robber if not you fail to tell us the book oyedepo write that earn him the billionaire status it remains in your imagination, you tried to play along saying you are not comfortable with people not able to attend schools built with tithe monies but summersulted when you couldn't establish his sources of those billions outside tithe and stolen offerings habaaa

So, if he makes billions from his books, he will announce it to you? You are just envious. Keep your tithe to yourself. So many are receiving blessing from tithing and your anti tithe crusade won't stop them. Go and find a better job to do.

PrecisionFx:



U don't need a debate. The Bible is very clear on tithing.



Tithe is agricultural produce and not money.

Tithe is paid to widows, orphans, fatherless, Levites, foreigners, poor or disadvantaged people in general.

Bible also states that wen a levite receives his tithe, he should pay 10% of it as tithe into the house of God so that they may be food.

Malachi isn't someone's name, it mean ''the prophets''

Malachi 3 vs 10 is a warning for the levite who do not pay up to 10% of their tithe(agricultural produce) they received from farmers.

It is very evil to collect tithe as money.

Thieving Pastors.

Even monies given for benevolence by the early church were all laid at the Apostles feet. So, men of God plays key roles in the monies you give.

The Bible emphasizes we should support men of God in every way possible. What is 10% compared to what so many are giving in support of the ministry work? You are just stingy. I feel sorry for the woman who will marry you.

Ken4Christ:


Even monies given for benevolence by the early church were all laid at the Apostles feet. So, men of God plays key roles in the monies you give.

The Bible emphasizes we should support men of God in every way possible. What is 10% compared to what so many are giving in support of the ministry work? You are just stingy. I feel sorry for the woman who will marry you.

""I feel sorry for the woman who will marry you""

Bros don't even go there at all. Stating facts about the Bible does not translate to being stingy, that blackmail won't work.

10% if people's earning or salary is not the only money pastors loot from church goers. They collect so so so so many kinds of offering n seeds n daddy's day, mummy's day, buying evangelism bus, building new churches(office expansion), and so so many more. that already plus tithe is over 20% of someone's earning...


After all the money u and ur church members have placed on ur pastors feet over the years, have u church ever kept food in the store house ""so that they maybe food in my house""

Everything Jesus gets he shares it with the followers, if it's not enough he miraculously multiplies it and give to every single person followed him.

Yet ur pastors who claim that they are Christlike n follow Jesus teachings will NEVER and HAVE never brought 5 naira pure water for thirsty church members to drink.


I repeat again, Tithe is not money as clearly stated in the Bible, tithe is agricultural produce. It is an evil act to collect 10% - 20% of peoples earnings, especially many Nigerians who have heavy financial burden who are earning small salaries and barely survive. People are struggling to pay house rent, pay their children's school fees feed n cloth them and the pastors n priests are still threatening them to pay 10% - 20% of their earning.

Grow up and open ur eyes. Ur pastor is not a levite. If u want God to really bless u simply pay ur tithe to the needy.

PrecisionFx:





""I feel sorry for the woman who will marry you""

Bros don't even go there at all. Stating facts about the Bible does not translate to being stingy, that blackmail won't work.

10% if people's earning or salary is not the only money pastors loot from church goers. They collect so so so so many kinds of offering n seeds n daddy's day, mummy's day, buying evangelism bus, building new churches(office expansion), and so so many more. that already plus tithe is over 20% of someone's earning...


After all the money u and ur church members have placed on ur pastors feet over the years, have u church ever kept food in the store house ""so that they maybe food in my house""

Everything Jesus gets he shares it with the followers, if it's not enough he miraculously multiplies it and give to every single person followed him.

Yet ur pastors who claim that they are Christlike n follow Jesus teachings will NEVER and HAVE never brought 5 naira pure water for thirsty church members to drink.


I repeat again, Tithe is not money as clearly stated in the Bible, tithe is agricultural produce. It is an evil act to collect 10% - 20% of peoples earnings, especially many Nigerians who have heavy financial burden who are earning small salaries and barely survive. People are struggling to pay house rent, pay their children's school fees feed n cloth them and the pastors n priests are still threatening them to pay 10% - 20% of their earning.

Grow up and open ur eyes. Ur pastor is not a levite. If u want God to really bless u simply pay ur tithe to the needy.

I am not among the group of Pastors who care less about their members and there are many more pastors who cares. So, don't look at all Pastors with the same eye. The Scripture encourages support for ministers. If those under the old covenant could give 10% of their earnings, what should those under grace be doing? The ministry work is even more demanding than what the Levites were involved in. This is the common sense behind tithe. And those who are doing it are blessed. Most of the members who are broke all the time don't pay their tithes and they don't give good offering. If they do, they will come out of poverty.

Ken4Christ:


I am not among the group of Pastors who care less about their members and there are many more pastors who cares. So, don't look at all Pastors with the same eye. The Scripture encourages support for ministers. If those under the old covenant could give 10% of their earnings, what should those under grace be doing? The ministry work is even more demanding than what the Levites were involved in. This is the common sense behind tithe. And those who are doing it are blessed. Most of the members who are broke all the time don't pay their tithes and they don't give good offering. If they do, they will come out of poverty.

""If those under the old covenant could give 10% of their earnings'"

There's no single place in the Bible where it was written that those in convenant paid 10% tithe, they pay tithe with agricultural produce and nothing more. Farmers are the only people mandated to pay tithe in Israel. Soldiers, black smiths, Doctors, lawyers, builders, Servants, etc don't fukkin pay tithe.


""And those who are doing it are blessed""

Last time I checked, bill gates, Warren buffet, mark zuckerberg, late Steve jobs, etc are not members of ur church, they don't fukkin pay tithe and they are 10,000,00 0 times richer than u and ur pastor and all ur church members combined together so stop that shitty story about getting wealthy after u foolishly paid money into another mans account and he builds skols wit it while ur church members remain POOR. I don't pay any tithe to anyone and yet God keeps blessing me on a daily basis financially so stop that scare tactics that non tithers aew poor. U whey de pay tithe u don hammer
Swerve Joor.


""The ministry work is even more demanding than what the Levites were involved in""

There's nothing demanding about the works of priests n pastors today. This is because the word or God has spread to all nations. In eastern nigeria for example we are almost 100% Christians so I wonder what those churches are teaching. If those thieving pastors ignore going to Saudi Arabia, Iran, India, Bahrain, Sudan Egypt to preach to Muslims there and Hindus there. They just remain in 100% Christian zones preaching the same thing over and over again to fellow Christians.

Ur pastor is not a levite, we all know what a levite is.


I'm beginning to suspect that he either a pastor or ur in a pastoral school.



These mumu pastors are in for a shock in a few years. More education, more enlightenment more access to internet n more advancement in human knowledge and further evolution of man will lead to a halt in church going and pray @ home.

Just bear it in mind, the days are already counting down, 33% of the world population are already irreligious, 30% of Americans admit that they are Christians and most if them don't go to church. 60% of all millenias)people born between 1980 and early 2000 in America are Atheist.

SUNDAY SERMON: THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING


I came across this piece on a Whatsapp page and it so represented my views on tithing that I could have written it myself. Please enjoy the read!

The Trial of Pastor Jones (Author unknown)

Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.

How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis Chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you
Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in Chap. 3, Mr Jones?

Mr Jones: No your Honor!

Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that.

Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Mr. Jones: Well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Mr. Jones: I don't know

Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding. Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Mr. Jones: Man must have.

Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge: By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.
Sentencing....... All Arise .....

Ken4Christ:


It is an eternal tradition. The 10% is even not enough. We ought to give more. The coming of Jesus is near. If there is any time the gospel needs funding, it is now. Don't be stingy. Pay your tithe. You can't give to God and lose out. I assure you. Try it. You will come back with testimonies.

"you can fool some people sometimes but you can't fool all the people all the time"

Repent, tithes payments and collection in Christianity is the biggest fraud in human history.

Ken4Christ:


The New Testament Saints is also a Jew by faith. We are the faith seed of Abraham.

Romans 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

First I will ask you - How old you are? Many Christians do not literally understand their religion. They just go about ranting stuff. Do you know who a Jew is? Please challenge yourself to understand the history of Christianity. Jews are not Christians. In fact a Jewish man maybe annoyed with you if you label him that.

There are a lot of things some Christians do not understand and I don’t blame them. Many were born into it and had no opportunity to explore anything outside the religion. Their pastors too either deliberately choose not to let them know or proceed blindly with their own interpretation.

Go and thorough learn about Christianity - your findings would shock you

Boss13:


First I will ask you - How old you are? Many Christians do not literally understand their religion. They just go about ranting stuff. Do you know who a Jew is? Please challenge yourself to understand the history of Christianity. Jews are not Christians. In fact a Jewish man maybe annoyed with you if you label him that.

There are a lot of things some Christians do not understand and I don’t blame them. Many were born into it and had no opportunity to explore anything outside the religion. Their pastors too either deliberately choose not to let them know or proceed blindly with their own interpretation.

Go and thorough learn about Christianity - your findings would shock you

I know who I am. I am the seed of Abraham.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 3:4-6.
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be FELLOWHEIRS, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Ephesians 2: 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but FELLOWCITIZENS with the saints, and of the household of God;

christemmbassey:
"you can fool some people sometimes but you can't fool all the people all the time"

Repent, tithes payments and collection in Christianity is the biggest fraud in human history.

It is a great blessing to those who are practicing it. Try it and you will come back with testimony.

petra1:


Did he say the schools were build with tithes monies

The truth is that when covenant university wanted to be established, money was raised in the church...members paid thru their nose. people were cajoled to test God with their giving to the church university and see what God will do in their life...

yes money were raised from the members. ask any winners member if I lied.

Ken4Christ:


It is a great blessing to those who are practicing it. Try it and you will come back with testimony.

shall we continue in sin........ God forbid.


I refuse to be involved in sin.

Tithes payments in Christianity is the biggest fraud in human history.

christemmbassey:
shall we continue in sin........ God forbid.


I refuse to be involved in sin.

Tithes payments in Christianity is the biggest fraud in human history.

You are wrong. Tithe which is 10% is even very small. It should be your minimum budget to support the workers in the house. I doubt If you are born again. Anyone who has received the love nature of God will just love to give.