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What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by GP2015(m): 10:04pm On Jan 15, 2016
just as the question implies.. what lies ahead for an optometry student? How can they get to the point of a normal medical doctor? what will it take to make him a hot cake and also as conspicuous as a normal doctor? what can make him as important as a doctor? I've seen good hints given to people on nairaland, please answers.. what what what?
I need more light pls
salary scale, respect etc..
docs and graduates in the house...
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by GP2015(m): 9:13am On Jan 16, 2016
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Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by evansvenus(m): 10:27am On Jan 16, 2016
Optometry is a medical course that has itz specialty with treatment of eyes diseases,refracting lens and correcting eye defects through operation,itz a six years course with one year internship making it a cumulative seven years course,youth service exluded
on completion of programe you will be awarded a doctor of optometry(O.D) nt the usual Bsc,making it a break from the norm.
Job opportunities include working in military or para-military organisations,public hospitals or you can go into private practise!

They are in the same league with doctors with a thin difference,while an optometrist have his or her specialty with the eyes,a medical doctor deals with the whole body,it is a nice course,you going to love it.

On the issue with salary scale,they are the same with doctors working in government owned hospitals,though they might be a thin difference due to area of specialization.

Are u satisfied now?not forgetting to add that only few universities offers the course and they are
abia state university(ABSU)
imo state university(IMSU)
university of benin(UNIBEN)

i dnt know if the course is accredited in futo..take care!

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Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by evansvenus(m): 10:28am On Jan 16, 2016
GP2015:
just as the question implies.. what lies ahead for an optometry student? How can they get to the point of a normal medical doctor? what will it take to make him a hot cake and also as conspicuous as a normal doctor? what can make him as important as a doctor? I've seen good hints given to people on nairaland, please answers.. what what what?
I need more light pls
salary scale, respect etc..
docs and graduates in the house...

just replied you!
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by GP2015(m): 11:25am On Jan 16, 2016
evansvenus:
Optometry is a medical course that has itz specialty with treatment of eyes diseases,refracting lens and correcting eye defects through operation,itz a six years course with one year internship making it a cumulative seven years course,youth service exluded
on completion of programe you will be awarded a doctor of optometry(O.D) nt the usual Bsc,making it a break from the norm.
Job opportunities include working in military or para-military organisations,public hospitals or you can go into private practise!

They are in the same league with doctors with a thin difference,while an optometrist have his or her specialty with the eyes,a medical doctor deals with the whole body,it is a nice course,you going to love it.

On the issue with salary scale,they are the same with doctors working in government owned hospitals,though they might be a thin difference due to area of specialization.

Are u satisfied now?not forgetting to add that only few universities offers the course and they are
abia state university(ABSU)
imo state university(IMSU)
university of benin(UNIBEN)

i dnt know if the course is accredited in futo..take care!

can a graduate of optometry perform surgery or will there be another study required to specialize in performing operations?
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by evansvenus(m): 11:29am On Jan 16, 2016
GP2015:


can a graduate of optometry perform surgery or will there be another study required to specialize in performing operations?

you are already in your specialty...yes you can perform surgeries....eye surgeries only!
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by GP2015(m): 11:52am On Jan 16, 2016
evansvenus:


you are already in your specialty...yes you can perform surgeries....eye surgeries only!

Okay, I'm sorry. I thought optometry was for eye care and then you had to be an ophthalmologist to perform eye surgery. thanks
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by cahnellven: 2:12am On Jan 18, 2016
evansvenus:


you are already in your specialty...yes you can perform surgeries....eye surgeries only!


No he can't...... Eye surgery is the exclusive reserve of ophthalmologist, and you need a medical degree (MBBS,MBchB,MD,DO) to become one.


Ps: DO as written above means doctor of osteopathy.

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Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by GP2015(m): 8:06pm On Jan 18, 2016
cahnellven:



No he can't...... Eye surgery is the exclusive reserve of ophthalmologist, and you need a medical degree (MBBS,MBchB,MD,DO) to become one.


Ps: DO as written above means doctor of osteopathy.
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by originbm: 2:29pm On Jan 11, 2017
evansvenus:


you are already in your specialty...yes you can perform surgeries....eye surgeries only!

An optometrist can't perform ocular surgery in Nigeria, though they can in USA.
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by Nobody: 11:58am On Apr 29, 2017
originbm:


An optometrist can't perform ocular surgery in Nigeria, though they can in USA.
Even in d U.S., d surgery an optometrist performs is a minor surgery. Besides, it's not every country dat recognizes it. For instance, Italy and France (where they are trained by an ophthalmologist as his assistant, hence no formal training). But it's still a good profession if u can't get admission into medicine or dentistry.
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by originbm: 6:58pm On Nov 14, 2017
Mandeyy:
Even in d U.S., d surgery an optometrist performs is a minor surgery. Besides, it's not every country dat recognizes it. For instance, Italy and France (where they are trained by an ophthalmologist as his assistant, hence no formal training). But it's still a good profession if u can't get admission into medicine or dentistry.

what dentistry...oga speak of what u know...nobody goes into dentistry as a substitute for optometry in Nigeria. In that Italy and France, they dont have ods or any optometrists for that matter. They have just opticians. The mode of eye care practice is different from that obtainable in other places. Opthalmplogists dont train optometrists anywhere in the world...are they going to teach an optometrist clinical refraction or what? Only a fool will choose dentistry over optometry....am yet to see one person do that...Again, b4 u start ranting surgery, how many ocular surgeries are performed in Nigeria...Non-invasive proceedures are much more higher than the invasive proceedures in ocular care...in case u dont know, the eye is the only part of the body in which u can see nerves and blood vessels performibg diagnosis thereon without the need for cutting into the body...that is d reason that surgery is not as critical in ocular treatment as in other specialties.
pls dont mention optometry as a substitute for failure to get dentistry. only few people actually go for dentistry in Nigeria. 2015 had only 300 people putting for dentistry for jamb in uniben, so its not competitive at all. peace.

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Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by Nobody: 2:11am On Nov 15, 2017
originbm:


what dentistry...oga speak of what u know...nobody goes into dentistry as a substitute for optometry in Nigeria. In that Italy and France, they dont have ods or any optometrists for that matter. They have just opticians. The mode of eye care practice is different from that obtainable in other places. Opthalmplogists dont train optometrists anywhere in the world...are they going to teach an optometrist clinical refraction or what? Only a fool will choose dentistry over optometry....am yet to see one person do that...Again, b4 u start ranting surgery, how many ocular surgeries are performed in Nigeria...Non-invasive proceedures are much more higher than the invasive proceedures in ocular care...in case u dont know, the eye is the only part of the body in which u can see nerves and blood vessels performibg diagnosis thereon without the need for cutting into the body...that is d reason that surgery is not as critical in ocular treatment as in other specialties.
pls dont mention optometry as a substitute for failure to get dentistry. only few people actually go for dentistry in Nigeria. 2015 had only 300 people putting for dentistry for jamb in uniben, so its not competitive at all. peace.

A direct entry student of dentistry at University of Nigeria, Enugu Campus (UNEC) is a graduate of optometry. I know him personally. Optometry is good, but in the Nigeria's context, they're ophthalmologists' technologists. in our dept of ophthalmology here, they're called technologists. But dentistry is a faculty having dental therapists and dental technologists as technologists. just recently in delta state, this surgery was performed by dentists who are consultants in oral and maxillofacial surgery and the bill was footed by the governor. here is the link: https://independent.ng/okowa-restores-hope-to-12-year-old-boy-with-tumour/ http://teemdental.org/about.html http://teemdental.org/services.html it's this same woman that owns this dental clinic at Warri, Dr Etetafia Mabel that led the surgery. stop arguing foolishly. A nairalander once mentioned here that it's a lie to say that dentistry is not lucrative in Nigeria. he said it after he was charged N90,000 for the removal of two teeth in which one was impacted. he also paid N15,000 and N5,000 for x-ray and consultation respectively. he advised newly graduated dentists to form an alliance of two or more dentists to set up a dental clinic that, unknown to people, it's lucrative in Nigeria. he said his dental treatment was done in Ilorin, that the least charge for a dental treatment in the smallest dental clinic among all of them he visited was N7,000, and that the patients were up to 20 in that smallest dental clinic. he further said he visited govt hospital for the surgery and was charged N60,000, but he was afraid he might die since a nerve passed thro the teeth. Hence he needed a safe hand who could do the surgery well to avoid complications, and that was when he visited different private dental clinics in Ilorin to look for d best among them. i have never heard that somebody switched from dentistry to optometry except he failed 2nd MBBS/BDS exam.

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Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by Rihsabmohd(m): 4:25pm On Nov 17, 2017
evansvenus:


you are already in your specialty...yes you can perform surgeries....eye surgeries only!
u can't perform surgery if u are an optometrist u can only perform surgery if u are an opthalmologist. A optometrist can only prescribe medication and treat certain eye problems
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by Rihsabmohd(m): 4:55pm On Nov 17, 2017
evansvenus:


Are u satisfied now?not forgetting to add that only few universities offers the course and they are
abia state university(ABSU)
imo state university(IMSU)
university of benin(UNIBEN)

i dnt know if the course is accredited in futo..take care!
There are seven schools offering the O.D. (Doctor of Optometry) degree.

Abia State University Uturu, Abia State - also offers MSc and PhD programmes in Clinical Optometry in combination with FNCO
Bayero University, Kano, Kano State
Federal University of Technology Owerri
Imo State University, Owerri, Imo State
Madonna University Okija, Anambra State
University of Benin, Ugbowo, Benin-City, Edo State, Nigeria - also offers MSc programmes in vision science
University of Ilorin, Kwara State
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by MrEgghead(m): 11:50am On Nov 18, 2017
originbm:


what dentistry...oga speak of what u know...nobody goes into dentistry as a substitute for optometry in Nigeria. In that Italy and France, they dont have ods or any optometrists for that matter. They have just opticians. The mode of eye care practice is different from that obtainable in other places. Opthalmplogists dont train optometrists anywhere in the world...are they going to teach an optometrist clinical refraction or what? Only a fool will choose dentistry over optometry....am yet to see one person do that...Again, b4 u start ranting surgery, how many ocular surgeries are performed in Nigeria...Non-invasive proceedures are much more higher than the invasive proceedures in ocular care...in case u dont know, the eye is the only part of the body in which u can see nerves and blood vessels performibg diagnosis thereon without the need for cutting into the body...that is d reason that surgery is not as critical in ocular treatment as in other specialties.
pls dont mention optometry as a substitute for failure to get dentistry. only few people actually go for dentistry in Nigeria. 2015 had only 300 people putting for dentistry for jamb in uniben, so its not competitive at all. peace.
Its not competitive and the cut off this year in Uniben is 72 only second to medicine which is 77...And you think Uniben will admit 300 candidates for Dentistry?If you don't know, Dentistry doesn't take more than 25..And your optometry which is more competitive is 60.....It's high time you remove this hatred for BDS from your heart because it's damaging your reputation slowly.
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by Unlimited22: 10:53pm On Nov 18, 2017
Rihsabmohd:
There are seven schools offering the O.D. (Doctor of Optometry) degree.

Abia State University Uturu, Abia State - also offers MSc and PhD programmes in Clinical Optometry in combination with FNCO
Bayero University, Kano, Kano State
Federal University of Technology Owerri
Imo State University, Owerri, Imo State
Madonna University Okija, Anambra State
University of Benin, Ugbowo, Benin-City, Edo State, Nigeria - also offers MSc programmes in vision science
University of Ilorin, Kwara State
Correction
Madonna University, Elele, Rivers State.
Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by originbm: 4:12am On Nov 22, 2017
MrEgghead:
Its not competitive and the cut off this year in Uniben is 72 only second to medicine which is 77...And you think Uniben will admit 300 candidates for Dentistry?If you don't know, Dentistry doesn't take more than 25..And your optometry which is more competitive is 60.....It's high time you remove this hatred for BDS from your heart because it's damaging your reputation slowly.

oga you are not wise.
1. ur cut off mark is artificially inflated to match up with medicine. In 2015 despite the fact that only 300 people put in for dentistry in jamb for uniben (as against nursing 3150, and mcb 1135), u guys managed to have a higher cut off than these two departments. Go and check out how many people put in for dentistry this yr.
This yr dentistr's cutoff is also higher than that of pharmacy and even nursing. You mean to tell me that dentistry is more competitive than pharmacy. Your cut off mark is more political and ego-boosting than anything. Even microbiology is more competitive than dentistry.
Competitiveness should be a ratio of the number of applicants to the number of intakes. Anything else is politics. Medicine recieves about 7000+ applicants and will take about 80, therefore their cutoff is fully justifiable. What is the justification for dentistry with an application of about 300+ and an intake of 25 having higher cutoff than pharmacy with an application of 3000+ and a an intake of 120. or nursing which may even be slightly higher?
Dentistry takes only about 25 students and yet they want to compare with those that take up to 120. If denistry should take up to 120, I assure u that the bulk of their intakes will be those who couldnt get medicine.
Dentistry is not competitive. Ur cut off is a political statement. Despite the fact that pharmacy is much more competitive, yet u manage to hv higher cut off. And that is hw everything about dentistry is in Nigeria:always dressed up to mimic medicine.
As for hating dentistry, I dont. But like I said, the record must be set straight, and the myth separated from the realities.
And then you are telling me that dentistry takes only 25 as if that is a product of dentistry's desirability. Their board only takes 25 because anything above that will create hungry dentists. No future in the private practice in case they dont get govt employment, so where will they earn a living? think again.
As for my reputation, suffice it to say that truth is forever a defence to defamation. A reputation is only worth its ounce of honesty.

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Re: What Lies Ahead For An Optometry Student? by originbm: 5:33am On Nov 22, 2017
Mandeyy:


A direct entry student of dentistry at University of Nigeria, Enugu Campus (UNEC) is a graduate of optometry. I know him personally. Optometry is good, but in the Nigeria's context, they're ophthalmologists' technologists. in our dept of ophthalmology here, they're called technologists. But dentistry is a faculty having dental therapists and dental technologists as technologists. just recently in delta state, this surgery was performed by dentists who are consultants in oral and maxillofacial surgery and the bill was footed by the governor. here is the link: https://independent.ng/okowa-restores-hope-to-12-year-old-boy-with-tumour/ http://teemdental.org/about.html http://teemdental.org/services.html it's this same woman that owns this dental clinic at Warri, Dr Etetafia Mabel that led the surgery. stop arguing foolishly. A nairalander once mentioned here that it's a lie to say that dentistry is not lucrative in Nigeria. he said it after he was charged N90,000 for the removal of two teeth in which one was impacted. he also paid N15,000 and N5,000 for x-ray and consultation respectively. he advised newly graduated dentists to form an alliance of two or more dentists to set up a dental clinic that, unknown to people, it's lucrative in Nigeria. he said his dental treatment was done in Ilorin, that the least charge for a dental treatment in the smallest dental clinic among all of them he visited was N7,000, and that the patients were up to 20 in that smallest dental clinic. he further said he visited govt hospital for the surgery and was charged N60,000, but he was afraid he might die since a nerve passed thro the teeth. Hence he needed a safe hand who could do the surgery well to avoid complications, and that was when he visited different private dental clinics in Ilorin to look for d best among them. i have never heard that somebody switched from dentistry to optometry except he failed 2nd MBBS/BDS exam.

If you listen carefully, you will hear my laughter as I read your comment. Alright.
1. Recently an outreach was conducted in Lagos. It was called LAGOS SEES. It was held at Ikotun-Ikotun lga. Another will be held in two weeks, I suggest you attend to see what optometrists do in Nigeria. There were gps there, but only the optometrist handled any vision problem presented by the pxs. The gps only handled cases of high bp which were referred to them. Over 1500 pxs came there and clerking in pxs stopped as early as 1p.m because the optometric doctors on ground couldnt handle the load. Every examination required in such screening was carried out by the optometrists. This was an unpublicised outreach. Till the end pxs were trooping in begging to be attended to even when the doctors where already leaving.
Optometrists are technologists, hw come they own and run the biggest eye clinics in Nigeria?
How come they treat, diagnose, prescribe drugs, plus non-invasive interventions of all type, assuming we call gonioscopy and other such proceedures like corneal fb removal non-invasive.
In best low vision consultants in Nigeria are optometrists. Prof. Akpalaba in Uniben routinely get low bision refferals from hospitals in Nigeria.
They are technologists, yet a graduate doctor of optometry starts lecturing from lecturer 2 just like a medical doctor.
Perhaps dental technologists and therapists run dental clinics. Well it may be possible because they may know all you know.
Well optometrists have opticians and optical technologists. Optical technology is a full bsc degree in Imsu. Dispensing optics is a 3yr diploma programme in ubth and other schools. Unlike dentistry we dont denigrate our people and we don't give ourselves ego simply because we have non-doctors in our midst.
Optometrists are technologists, yet any programme on visual health held in Nigeria must feature an optometrist. Army 68 reference eye hospital is headed and run by an optometrist.
A general dentist has no single advantage over the general optometrist in a clinical setting. None whatsoever. Whether in clinical training or otherwise. The apparent dichotomy in the public sector
appears at the consultant level because dentistry is in bed with nma. A general dentist has no business in a tertiary institution. Everybody must not be a consultant. What other option is open to a dentist who cannot get a residency slot. Herein is optometry much more rewarding than dentistry. A general practice optometrist has much more options than the dentist. This is the reason why you admit only 25 in your department.
In private practice mamy ophthalmologists visit eye clinics run by optometrists to perform cataract surgery when needed.They may consult 2 days in a week and get paid for that.
I laugh when you start citing ur reasons for comparing dentistry to optometry financially...
Px load determines the lucrativeness of any specialty. Proceedures in a standard optometry are many and expensive. Just fundus photography, tomometry, slb , perimetry etc to mention a few are money spinners which every px who walks into the clinic will likely perform.Tonometry at 10k for a proceedure lasting less than 20 seconds, which is cumpulsory for any glaucoma suspect, meams that 200k can acctue in 3 or 4 days only from one proceedure.Oct cost 50k. A proceedure not lasting more than 5 mins. Oga you domt know what optometry is. Sit there and continue talking. Go and ask your honest senior colleagues. They should know. Some optical labs in Benin (run by opticians and optical technologists) net an verage of 40 - 60k daily, just from glazing and prescription filling. What of surfacing and importing of lenses and contact lenses ...
Some lenses cost upward of 50k with a profit margin of..............if u r smart you will understand. Not to talk of drug prescription. Consultation is 5k in medium eye clinics. Bigger ones charge 10k for individual card and more for family card.
In an eye clinic a doctor can make 80k in 30 minutes just from refraction. Proceedures amd consultation fee is not added ooo.
Even illegal outreaches mounted by unscrupulous elements who are not even doctors can net 200k a week in consultation only without adding the bigger income from prescription of lenses.
If you are wise, take the advice of the man who adviced you to team up with another dentist. But I will add this, dont team up with another dentist, look for an optometrist who can help you with px load.But the idea is not very original. Smart dentists have been hooking up with optometrists in times past.

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