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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 10:12am On Nov 18, 2017 |
NiyiOmoIyunade: You are right on Oga Chris bservation about axpert inverters .. Saipro case is different as I know the inverter he mentioned . Pure sinewave inverters varies and you can't really compare same with axpert or modified sinewave inverters which most companies claim its pure wave like your 'I power plus" which had issues and most of these cheap inverters with "inbuilt solar charge controllers" ... You are also right about opening some equipment and voiding warranty seals .. DIY really has its limitations tho !! 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 12:24pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
kiekie1: ![]() ![]() ![]() You have insider info thus know the inverter in question, plus its ruggedness and ability to recover from hard and soft breaks. I view breaking the DC side under load the same as I would view switching off the inverter under load (Pranil's parallel LVD relay) though his resets itself and is easier to maintain (no need to manually reset the breaker). Yes, mine has an LVD (programmable) as well OVD and lots of other features (which I'm willing to bet kiekie1 hasn't explored like I have, as I've found a way to "talk" to the hardware via an interface) but my breaker is purely to avoid overload abuse and not really an LVD issue thus I did not address the original issue whereas Pranil did. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 1:23pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
NiyiOmoIyunade: With regards to a dead or dying battery, desulphators help but aren't really reliable. The true benefit of desulphators (thus the alternate term of battery life extenders) is in attaching them to new batteries ab initio. If all else works as planned and the batteries are fairly well maintained, they do work wonders. I use car batteries for about 2 -3 years (run-of -the-mill types) and up to 5 years (OEM batteries). My current run-of-the-mill type has lasted four years without showing significant capacity degradation. I installed a battery optimizer right from the start. The other cars in the house are showing the same trend. Same battery for them all (GT). |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 3:53pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
Inverters uses power MOSFETS as the switching device and they are susceptible to stray capacitance, inductance and static charges. they have a high tendency to fail if for instance mains is connected but the battery line is broken either by a breaker or blown fuse that while in my installation, the mains passes tru one pole of a 3 pole breaker while the battery cable and solar cable passes tru the others so that when the breaker trips, all the power inputs are cut off. Also a tripped battery breaker with mains on will provide no grounding for the MOSFETS which also functions as the rectifiers during charging and thus prone to failures. I use mustpower 24v, 3kva but it is well protected and everything works well including charging however when i want to disulphate, i switch off my breaker to my Epsolar charge controller due to tendency of it going on fault due to the high desulphation voltage. NiyiOmoIyunade: 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 3:59pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
I doubt they work else batteries would live forever ![]() earthrealm: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 4:02pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
I fix my mustpower temperature issue by relocation the themistor to the transformer body that way the fan kicks in at 40degrees vs 65 degrees so mine runs cool now. use to be very hot before the fan kicks in Saipro: 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 4:08pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
Evrything has limitation ![]() kiekie1: 2 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 4:14pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by HeartforGod: 4:39pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
Hello Pranil, a question please, With your multiple inverters, do you have a COMMON NEUTRAL output AC wiring for all the loads connected to them? or does each inverter have its separate live and neutral wiring for their loads? pranil: 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 9:09pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
who can guess. ![]()
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dejidotun2000(m): 10:08pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
I own a 1kva and a 3kva ipowerplus(Axpert) inverter. Both have tripped the Dc input breaker at least twice without any damage. NiyiOmoIyunade: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 11:37pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
I agree with you that desulfators seem to work best when clamped on a new battery bank from day one. Interestingly, I have a powerpulse 12v desulfator on my car battery as well and I am going on 3+ years now with that particular battery - again, car/starter batteries never really suffer deep discharge hence little sulfation on their plates unlike in a deep cycle battery application. What I learnt the hard way now is before I commission any new batteries, I charge each battery fully to be sure they are all 100% charged, if time and client permits, I also load test each one to be sure of its initial capacity - this helps me to avoid premature battery failure and happy clients overall. Indeed batteries are the weakest point and always give the most trouble and expense in any RE system - with the promise of Lithium ever so good now, I see light at the end of the tunnel. On a lighter note, I noticed I am the only one who spells sul f ur and desul f ation American style ![]() Saipro: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 11:46pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
This is an innovative way to tackle this MustPower temperature management problem. Indeed, human ingenuity knows no bounds! Kudos Sir DMerciful: 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 12:01am On Nov 19, 2017 |
You do bring a unique perspective to equipment/cable safety using breakers. The three pole breaker you mentioned - is it dual rated to handle both AC & DC currents? If it is please share the brand names and specs. I only break my inverter battery connection (60/100A DC MCB, Inverter AC charging input (32A MCB), Inverter ouput (6A or 10A or 16A.... AC MCB) as typical loads dictate. In solar applications, I break only the solar input - I stopped breaking the CC to battery connection after I lost my 60A morningstar MPPT CC to an unexpected breaker trip one fine sunny afternoon like that - as I heard the loud bang and rushed to the balcony, I saw magic smoke, fire and brimstone coming out of the CC - IMMEDIATELY I STARTED HAVING A NASTY HEADACHE AS I CONTEMPLATED THE REPLACEMENT COST OF A NEW MORNINGSTAR CC. ![]() DMerciful: 2 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 11:15am On Nov 19, 2017 |
It is a DC breaker of 100A. The mains going through one of the poles is usually less than 20A so no issues and mind you this breaker will not trip due to AC overload or surge but when the DC line trips, the whole breaker trips ensuring mains no longer feeds into the inverter until the breaker is reset. NiyiOmoIyunade: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 11:22am On Nov 19, 2017 |
For my EPsolar, itracer 60A, i use 2 breakers. One breaker which is a double pole breaker of 40A is btw the PV and CC lines. The other breaker of 80A double pole is btw the CC and battery. Here i only protect the positive terminal with one pole while the remaining free pole is use to break the PV input positive. This way, anythime the CC-battery breaker trips, there is no PV input to the CC ![]() NiyiOmoIyunade: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 3:48pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
DMerciful: Genius !!! 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 4:07pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
DIY-ification: 1. DC fan to reduce CC temp; timed to work between 10am - 5pm automatically 2. CC Temp at peak; used to be nothing less than 47 degrees celcius. 1 Like
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 4:27pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
This bros DMerciful is a sure guy! The more I read his posts, the more I come to respect the man's genius. makavele: DMerciful: 5 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by oneshowguy: 4:40pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 6:22pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 11:42pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
makavele: It's a nice step if you can toggle between the DC load timing. You might not need to go all this stress if you install in an airy room / lobby / balcony etc .. Cheers ! 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 2:00am On Nov 20, 2017 |
kiekie1: It's actually installed in a spacious and airy lobby; but still get hots during peak hours, I believe it is quite normal to be; but man, I don't want to take chances. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 6:54am On Nov 20, 2017 |
Hey guys, good morning, please can someone tell me if we were duped. We installed 2,000 watts worth of solar in our house, running on a 48v inverter and I have never seen more than 20amps being generated no matter the level of sun luminosity. I even loaded a 1,600 watt vacuum cleaner one sunny afternoon to try and force as much amps as I could out of the panels, but still couldn't get above 1,000watts. Could they have mixed defective panels with good ones ![]() Also, I don't get any power after 6pm. Is that how solar panels work ![]() |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by zeestone99(m): 8:20am On Nov 20, 2017 |
NoMoreTrolling: Give us spec of ur setup sir, hw many panels is being used, wattage?, wher did u place panels, roof mount, ground mount, wht direction southern, Eastern etc |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by zeestone99(m): 8:21am On Nov 20, 2017 |
makavele: This my oga jst dey explore dey go. Enjoy |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 8:37am On Nov 20, 2017 |
makavele: Nice move, after watching several reviews about epever A tracer, You need to install fans in order to extend the lifespan as they get hot during peak periods.. most user on YouTube did exactly the same, they even go the extent of adding temperature sensor that automatically controls the fans... |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 9:06am On Nov 20, 2017 |
NoMoreTrolling: Hello, if your location is within Lagos state , we can help you in troubleshooting . Contact: Sir Frankie Smartcell global services 081-350-319-51 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 10:15am On Nov 20, 2017 |
zeestone99: Think they are 10 200 watt panels, roof mounted on a one storey building. Unfortunately I don't know the direction. Everything is still under warranty, so I can call the guy back if something is wrong somewhere. He was saying that, solar amps harvested is dependent on the battery AH rating. i.e for a 200ah rating, he was saying the charge controller would never output more than 20amps (10% of 200AH), to preserve the life of the battery. I on the other hand was arguing that the solar amps harvested should be depended on the load. So if I have a load that requires say 30amps, then it doesn't matter if my battery bank is 200ah. If the panels can supply that 30amps, then they should. I don't know who is right here, me or him. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 10:16am On Nov 20, 2017 |
kiekie1: Thanks Kiekie, but everything is still under warranty. 2 years for the battery and 10 years for the panels. So i will be calling him back, once i get some feedback on here. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 10:27am On Nov 20, 2017 |
zeestone99: hey, also when he was connecting the panels, he said he was going to do a 2 series/ parallel string. okay, i think they were 250 watt panels, so he must have done, 2 series by 4 parallel. The thing is, when he showed me the VOC for the panels, it was like 60 something volts, we are using a 48v inverter. I told him that since we are installing an MPPT controller, he should do 3 series by 3 parallel connection, even if it means that we have to buy an additional panel, but he said that having a high VOC could damage the controller, even if the controller is rated for high VOC. He said on some sunny days, the VOC could exceed rated VOC and damage the controller. I dunno, but I thought the whole point of having an MPPT controller was so you could get very high VOCs and step them down, so that on cloudy days, you would still make some power. What time does your solar setup stop producing power? Is it still a bit light outside, or does yours stop only when its completely dark outside? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 10:40am On Nov 20, 2017 |
NoMoreTrolling: Something might be wrong somwer in your set up.. Send pictures of the mppt , wire guages in/out of the mppt .. 3×3 PV configuration is always best for 48v inverter systems ...Did you use a combiner box & mc4 connectors or he looped all the PV cables together ? If a combiner box was used, trouble shooting of PV array strings is always easier ![]() NOTE: In my set-up, its ground mounted due to the weak asbestos roofing sheet on the bungalow I intended using and trouble shooting "measuring individual panel voc/vmp/isc" is very easy for me.. In my storey building jobs,I always make use of improvised affordable combiner box with DC breakers.. Pending on mppt, mine stops charging -sleeps before 7pm most days ... See attached pics below ; 2 Likes 1 Share
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