I have written before on this issue,i took time again to study what the young generations are writting,it is wrong for the old men to continue their divisionary and hatred propaganda. Lagos Island/Eko is different from Lagos State.Some Bini's don't even know the road to Lagos State yet other migrants from bini will tell you Bini's own Lagos,Is it the Ijebu section they own or the Awori Section or better still the badagry/egun section.From my experience, Bini's came to settle in Eko,where the present lagos island is Located today.What about the more bigger eko,the mainland?alot of ijaws settled around the riverine areas of Lagos and never for once claimed Lagos,I don't just understand this complot of bini owns Lagos.

helpishere:

In the palace of the Oba of Lagos, there is a Bini man who must be made a chief. That's the tradition. If the Oba and Anayo Bembe who is an illustrious son of Lagos and from a well known family says so with evidence to prove so,why are those who have no evidence counter his claim. He quoted what his grandfather also did and Azikiwe quoted what his grandma told him and yet you all are in doubt. There are tribes in Ghana, Togo and Benin that traced their roots to Benin but we don't gloat over it because those people have been liberated . If you don't know where you come from, how will you know where you are going.

The truth is bitter for them to swallow. But history is there for all to see
The oba of Lagos will always pledge his alliance to the oba of Benin not ooni.

laudate:


Thank you for the translation, o! Unfortunately, my grasp of Yoruba language is minimal, so I wasn't sure about how to proceed with the translations. See as he was just cutting and pasting everything gbururu.... without checking to see which one was fact, which was fiction and which had become a fable. See, a few of these Bini chiefs writing these articles, end up inserting some aspects of folklore into their works, and if you are not very observant, you would not be able to distinguish fact from fiction. Part of it has been influenced by impressions of grandeur of the old Benin royal court and its' empire.

Nobody is disputing the fact that kings were sent from Benin to rule Lagos island. But this was done for the sake of commerce. Those kings did not own lands or property in Lagos at the onset, and they were not there to colonise the people but to give the Bini access to the sea!

Here is one account that captures this aspect:



This view is also supported by a number of scholars. The Benin royal court did not set out to colonise the Yoruba-Awori people, or take over their lands, because they just wanted access to the sea in order to trade.

You don't need to argue with them. Let them show you one Bini Omo onile (land owners) in Lagos. Its easier for a kabba man in faraway kogi to claim Omo onile in Lagos than a Bini man (who born im papa well).
You don't argue reality.

PabloAfricanus:


Either you are ignorant or you are pretending to be ignorant.
Fact 1, I did not author those articles
Fact 2, I never mentioned nor tried to prove a Lisa is an Oba in Ikorodu. You did, then changed tunes when ur ignorance was exposed.
Fact 3, you have shifted from there is nothing like Lisa in Ikorodu to it's just a title to they are Olojos or whatever when the facts hit you.
Fact 4, you are not that conversant with the history you are discussing.
Fact 5, you need to go home and learn more about the history you claim to be yours.

PS: I am only trying to add more to the discuss by bringing the Edo narrative.
It's good to hear what their sons, historians or intellectuals think about this topic.
We can not take the narratives and conclude only from the Yoruba perspective can we?
That you are being all defensive and insulting tells me you have no grasp of the history.

Your article claimed Lisa was an Obaship. Which is a bloody lie. You are a liar and a scammer, editing articles to make your point. All the Oba's have been pure Yoruba descendants. I have an ancestor from the Ayangbure family too. Nobody on the kings council flaunts that they are Bini except you. Trying to make a point and overblow Bini influence when these people were just settlers looking for new life opportunities and had nothing to do with the Oba of Benin. So many groups have later settled in Lagos, so what is your point? That they now own Lagos. Which was the beginning of your argument. Nonsense.

PabloAfricanus:


Contradictory?
How? I know the author did missed a lot in his Bini attributions and I clearly stated it when I quoted him.
Did you miss that part?
I quoted that article to bring in an Edo narrative since everyone here seems to be from the all Yoruba or nothing camp.

How did you know the meaning of core Yoruba names like these
Akiolu, Oyekan, Tinubu, Opebi, Okouromun, Esan, Akiode, Ojuelegba, Onigbongbo, Igbobi, Ikeja, Ogba, Ipodo

When you needed this??


So much for your minimal grasp of Yoruba language?
Swear you did not know Ojuelegba means the Eye of Elegba? Can you bite an iron bar and swear to Ogun?

Are you sure you are not Yoruba, you this pathetic cheerleader??
Cmon let the cat out of the bag, history is good to discuss we know.
Atleast you can stop hiding and playing the chameleon.
Come outta the shadows and play in the sunlight cheerleader, can you do that?

laudate right now

cyrilamx:
Yet Bini art because of it worth became the symbol of festac in Nigeria. Why didn't organisers see the so called Ife art?

Pls try to be smart when posting.

FESTAC was a black African festival of arts and culture that took place only 2 times. The first and maiden event took place in Dakar, Senegal in 1966.

Nigeria hosted it just once (1977) and of course, it had to have a theme image- similar to mascots of sports events today- and the benin ivory mask was chosen as that years’ mascot.

FESTAC ended and is no more celebrated, but any Nigerian art of reputable standard could have been chosen to be the official face of FESTAC if Nigeria had gotten more chances to host the event, or even back then in ‘77.

If The Nigerian Olympic team of 2020 decides to wear Agbada with green Gele to the parade of Nations repping Naija for that year’s event, does that mean Yoruba clothing is superior to the traditional clothing of all other groups within the country?

Stop living a life of delusion.

PabloAfricanus:
Contradictory?
How? I know the author did missed a lot in his Bini attributions and I clearly stated it when I quoted him.
Did you miss that part?
I quoted that article to bring in an Edo narrative since everyone here seems to be from the all Yoruba or nothing camp.

How did you know the meaning of core Yoruba names like these
Akiolu, Oyekan, Tinubu, Opebi, Okouromun, Esan, Akiode, Ojuelegba, Onigbongbo, Igbobi, Ikeja, Ogba, Ipodo

When you needed this??

So much for your minimal grasp of Yoruba language?
Swear you did not know Ojuelegba means the Eye of Elegba? Can you bite an iron bar and swear to Ogun?

Are you sure you are not Yoruba, you this pathetic cheerleader??
Cmon let the cat out of the bag, history is good to discuss we know.
Atleast you can stop hiding and playing the chameleon.
Come outta the shadows and play in the sunlight cheerleader, can you do that?

I have asked the Yoruba people on this thread to translate those names for you, and I am sure they will do so shortly. Baby124 has already done part of it. I am not an adherent of Ogun, and it is not worshipped in my own part of the country, so swearing by Ogun would be an exercise in futility. I have spent several years in Lagos, so I can make out quite a bit of the language. This means I can tell which ones are cuss words, and which ones are jokes, enough to make sense of the context in which they are used.

As for the contradictions in the articles you have been cutting-and-pasting as well as your own position.... gosh....they are so many. Where do I even start from? The list of names just jumped out at me, because some of my Yoruba friends and I, have had cause to debate the meanings of these names, in the past. So I will advise that you actually read up works by academic scholars, and use their articles to confirm if those cut-and-paste pieces of yours,' actually make sense.

Your pasted articles were written by Benin chiefs, not academic scholars with access to historical evidence, using rigorous analytical methods to determine the authenticity of such accounts. One of the writers is Sam Igbe the Iyase of Benin, who is fond of reciting history from a Benin perspective, with little regard for accuracy of events and patterns of migration. If you knew the articles were inherently defective, why were you cutting and pasting it with such relish, as if it was the gospel truth??

Anyway, all said and done your pseudo-intellectual antics are truly quite amusing. Were you a comedian by any chance in your former life?

baby124:

The Obaship is strictly Yoruba. Rademo and Lasunwon are descendants of the children of Akarigbo. The Olisa or Lisa family are a king making family. But they are settlers, they did were not founders of Ikorodu and therefore cannot be Oba's. Like I said, it's a title.
http://www.akdusa.org/home.aspx

Ha! You just landed after finding out for yourself right?
So they are BINI SETTLERS huh?
How come you did not know there was a title called Lisa of Ikorodu?
And how come you did not know they were Bini settlers who are now the King makers of Ikorodu?
You even had to assume it was an Obaship?
So much ignorance after all the bluster

You only need to acknowledge I was right after all

Soon after, some large contingents of Benin migrants came by land through Iki in Ogun State (where almost the whole land belongs to the Olisa family of Ikorodu). This group of Benin people was led by a wealthy and powerful man called Eregbouwa (now called Rebugbawa in Ikorodu) from the ancient royal family of Oliha of Benin City. In Benin language Ere means King and Uwa means peace and prosperity.

The Benin people settled down amicably with the children of Akarigbo and the farm started to grow into a large establishment. This was about 1630. The institution of Obaships was conceded to the line of Akarigbo while the Olisaship was conceded to the Benin settlers.

In effect the Oba became the reigning monarch while Olisa became the King maker and the Prime Minister of the City State. Prior to the advent of the Benin people, Oga was the head of the settlement. When Oga died, Lasunwon was installed the first Oloja of Ikorodu by Olisa Rebugbawa (the first Olisa of Ikorodu).

Like I said, it's a title.

Attempt to save face
Nope, its not a title, they are Ikorodu's king makers.

Leez:

fulani slaves afonjas are

Please I do not understand what you have there.

PabloAfricanus:


Ha! You just landed after finding out for yourself right?
So they are BINI SETTLERS huh?
How come you did not know there was a title called Lisa of Ikorodu?
And how come you did not know they were Bini settlers who are now the King makers of Ikorodu?
You even had to assume it was an Obaship?
So much ignorance after all the bluster

You only need to acknowledge I was right after all





Attempt to save face
Nope, its not a title, they are Ikorodu's king makers.

It is a title. They sit on a council, yes but there is no Obaship to the Lisa title which was the argument from the beginning. They were also settlers, which is clearly evident. They had nothing to do with the Oba of Benin. Your shady claim has been destroyed. They may be a king making family, but that is where it ends. One out of many king making families obviously.

baby124:

Your article claimed Lisa was an Obaship. Which is a bloody lie. You are a liar and a scammer, editing articles to make your point. All the Oba's have been pure Yoruba descendants. I have an ancestor from the Ayangbure family too. Nobody on the kings council flaunts that they are Bini except you. Trying to make a point and overblow Bini influence when these people were just settlers looking for new life opportunities and had nothing to do with the Oba of Benin. So many groups have later settled in Lagos, so what is your point? That they now own Lagos. Which was the beginning of your argument. Nonsense.

LOL
Ad hominems all over the place over a simple historical fact.
Haba, these are the yoots of today

I did not edit the article or any articles I quoted. I copied and pasted verbatim with the links included.
Can you show me where I edited any of the articles?
Also show me where the articles claimed the Lisa (whom you were not even aware existed ) is an Oba as you claimed?
Can you do that?

laudate:


I have asked the Yoruba people on this thread to translate those names for you, and I am sure they will do so shortly. Baby124 has already done part of it. I am not an adherent of Ogun, and it is not worshipped in my own part of the country, so swearing by Ogun would be an exercise in futility. I have spent several years in Lagos, so I can make out quite a bit of the language. This means I can tell which ones are cuss words, and which ones are jokes, enough to make sense of the context in which they are used.

As for the contradictions in the articles you have been cutting-and-pasting as well as your own position.... gosh....they are so many. Where do I even start from? The list of names just jumped out at me, because some of my Yoruba friends and I, have had cause to debate the meanings of these names. So I will advise that you actually read up works by academic scholars, and use their articles to confirm if those cut-and-paste pieces of yours,' actually make sense.

Your pasted articles were written by Benin chiefs, not academic scholars with access to historical evidence, using rigorous analytical methods to determine the authenticity of such accounts. One of the writers is Sam Igbe the Iyase of Benin, who is fond of reciting history from a Benin perspective, with little regard for accuracy of events and patterns of migration. If you knew the articles were inherently defective, why were you cutting and pasting it with such relish, as if it was the gospel truth??

Anyway, all said and done your pseudo-intellectual antics are truly quite amusing. Were you a comedian by any chance in your former life?

See how he tried to over inflate Benin influence on Ikorodu. They were clearly settlers. He even edited the article to where you will think that Rademo house is a Benin house. LMAO. Nonsense. How many groups have since settled in Lagos? So that now proves that they own Lagos.

baby124:

It is a title. They sit on a council, yes but there is no Obaship to the Lisa title which was the argument from the beginning. They were also settlers, which is clearly evident. They had nothing to do with the Oba of Benin. Your shady claim has been destroyed. They may be a king making family, but that is where it ends. One out of many king making families obviously.

Trying to save more face are we?
They had nothing to do with the Oba of Benin? Did you even read the article you quoted?

Soon after, some large contingents of Benin migrants came by land through Iki in Ogun State (where almost the whole land belongs to the Olisa family of Ikorodu).
This group of Benin people was led by a wealthy and powerful man called Eregbouwa (now called Rebugbawa in Ikorodu) from the ancient royal family of Oliha of Benin City.
In Benin language Ere means King and Uwa means peace and prosperity.

http://www.akdusa.org/home.aspx

ib0221:
Please I do not understand what you have there.

conquered by gambaris and the igbos afonjas have been dominated over the years.
their sloppy atitude and backbiting n cowardly ways has ensured that they remain slaves-Afonja Chronicles

PabloAfricanus:


LOL
Ad hominems all over the place over a simple historical fact.
Haba, these are the yoots of today

I did not edit the article or any articles I quoted. I copied and pasted verbatim with the links included.
Can you show me where I edited any of the articles?
Also show me where the articles claimed the Lisa (whom you were not even aware existed ) is an Oba as you claimed?
Can you do that?

Your article was cleverly copied and edited to look like the Lisa family shared Obaship with the Lasunwon family. I have shared a more detailed article which shows the Obaship is purely Yoruba descendants. That they have Benin people a space on the council does not make them owners of the land. It was clearly for inclusion. One family on the kings council out of how many trace their progenitor to Benin. But you cleverly tried to make it seem that the Benin people have some kind of Obaship.

baby124:

See how he tried to over inflate Benin influence on Ikorodu. They were clearly settlers. He even edited the article to where you will think that Rademo house is a Benin house. LMAO. Nonsense. How many groups have since settled in Lagos? So that now proves that they own Lagos.

You must be a funny chap.
I never mentioned anything about Benin influence in Ikorodu.
I never edited any article as I copied verbatim to the thread.

You on the other hand, had to go and find out there was a Lisa of Ikorodu after all
That is after vigorous denials and ignorant puffery.
You did not even have the courtesy to quote properly and acknowledge you were wrong.
Cmon stop trying to save face and face the topic.

What if I brought more evidence of families with Edo origins in Lagos not to mention over Yoruba land?

PVision2020:
You don't need to argue with them. Let them show you one Bini Omo onile (land owners) in Lagos. Its easier for a kabba man in faraway kogi to claim Omo onile in Lagos than a Bini man (who born im papa well).
You don't argue reality.

Hehehe.... The average Bini man is not interested in territorial expansion, or claiming other people's lands, unlike the average IPOB yoot. Can't you see that much of the fire and exchange of words has been fueled by these IPOB-igbo yoots?

ProWalker:


Come here, let me use you to wipe the floor since your messiah and personal lord and savior has ran away like a goat

gambari slave ranting as usual

TheKingIsHere:

Funny thing is that the oba of Lagos who is an awori man has pledge his alliance to the Benin Kingdom.
So why is a man like you from osogbo so pained?
History is there for all to see

Pain ke, we are only looking at you and cry because this is how you will wail till end of life and nothing. You know the sweetest thing, we derive joy in your wailing over our land. It is a thing of joy. You know when you are important, people will talk about you. How far, Yoruba is compulsory in Lagos, call your oba of bini to come and change it. You have wailed here on that but sorry, that has been. Look down, what do you see, a great site where you can end your misery. So that you can have rest of mind. It is a nice site anyway.

baby124:

Your article was cleverly copied and edited to look like the Lisa family shared Obaship with the Lasunwon family. I have shared a more detailed article which shows the Obaship is purely Yoruba descendants. That they have Benin people a space on the council does not make them owners of the land. It was clearly for inclusion. One family on the kings council out of how many trace their progenitor to Benin. But you cleverly tried to make it seem that the Benin people have some kind of Obaship.

You must have comprehension problems really.
I did not cleverly copied and edited any article, neither did I author it.
I copied and pasted verbatim from here
http://www.ayayogong.com.ng/2017/01/what-you-dont-know-about-history-of.html

Exactly as the author, who goes by the name Com. Folarin Adegboyega posted it.
Did you read it at all?

And the counter you pasted from here,
http://www.akdusa.org/home.aspx

Concurred word for word with the information I pasted.
Atleast you now know there is not only an Edo presence in Ikorodu, there is also a Lisa of Ikorodu and they are the king makers.
Just history I was trying to point out.
So what is your point?

Gotze1:
Oga ade, you never answer me o. I said as a geographer you are, tell me another route I can take to Lagos from bini apart from ondo ogun or oyo states. And tell me any boundary the binis has with Lagos.

Have you ever heard of Bight of Benin / Biafra that was even mentioned in the OP?
If you haven't, no need to read it up, just know that teleportation can take you from Benin to Lagos.

Gotze1:
Pain ke, we are only looking at you and cry because this is how you will wail till end of life and nothing. You know the sweetest thing, we derive joy in your wailing over our land. It is a thing of joy. You know when you are important, people will talk about you. How far, Yoruba is compulsory in Lagos, call your oba of bini to come and change it. You have wailed here on that but sorry, that has been. Look down, what do you see, a great site where you can end your misery. So that you can have rest of mind. It is a nice site anyway.

OK.

Leez:

conquered by gambaris and the igbos afonjas have been dominated over the years.
their sloppy atitude and backbiting n cowardly ways has ensured that they remain slaves-Afonja Chronicles

Buhari is coming to our land to tell us that we are slave forever..... Emma powerful. Ipob spokesman . The part I love most in his chest beating statement.

Leez:

conquered by gambaris and the igbos afonjas have been dominated over the years.
their sloppy atitude and backbiting n cowardly ways has ensured that they remain slaves-Afonja Chronicles

I now understand. One- Ilorin was and is not conquered. 2- Ilorin was settled by Yoruba, Fulani, Gambari, Tapa, Nupe and likes. 3- They are muslims and influenced by islam and their king is called emir ( in their own words, oba musulumi).

ib0221:
I now understand. One- Ilorin was and is not conquered. 2- Ilorin was settled by Yoruba, Fulani, Gambari, Tapa, Nupe and likes. 3- They are muslims and influenced by islam and their king is called emir ( in their own words, oba musulumi).

ur gambari masters beg to differ

TheKingIsHere:


OK.

Yes now, oba has reward for you on that

Gotze1:
Buhari is coming to our land to tell us that we are slave forever..... Emma powerful. Ipob spokesman . The part I love most in his chest beating statement.

after being massacred by africanus and d kingishere with facts na igbo matter stee dy worry u
wouldnt expect less from a gambari slave

Habakus:

Have you ever heard of Bight of Benin / Biafra that was even mentioned in the OP?
If you haven't, no need to read it up, just know that teleportation can take you from Benin to Lagos.

Bight of biafra/benin. Is that the route or the boundary I asked you about. In fact, I folked up to stoop myself so low to engage you.

Leez:

after being massacred by africanus and d kingishere with facts na igbo matter stee dy worry u
wouldnt expect less from a gambari slave

Buhari has come to tell us we are forever slaves. Wow, what a statement from Emma powerful

laudate:


I have asked the Yoruba people on this thread to translate those names for you, and I am sure they will do so shortly. Baby124 has already done part of it. I am not an adherent of Ogun, and it is not worshipped in my own part of the country, so swearing by Ogun would be an exercise in futility. I have spent several years in Lagos, so I can make out quite a bit of the language. This means I can tell which ones are cuss words, and which ones are jokes, enough to make sense of the context in which they are used.

As for the contradictions in the articles you have been cutting-and-pasting as well as your own position.... gosh....they are so many. Where do I even start from? The list of names just jumped out at me, because some of my Yoruba friends and I, have had cause to debate the meanings of these names, in the past. So I will advise that you actually read up works by academic scholars, and use their articles to confirm if those cut-and-paste pieces of yours,' actually make sense.

Your pasted articles were written by Benin chiefs, not academic scholars with access to historical evidence, using rigorous analytical methods to determine the authenticity of such accounts. One of the writers is Sam Igbe the Iyase of Benin, who is fond of reciting history from a Benin perspective, with little regard for accuracy of events and patterns of migration. If you knew the articles were inherently defective, why were you cutting and pasting it with such relish, as if it was the gospel truth??

Anyway, all said and done your pseudo-intellectual antics are truly quite amusing. Were you a comedian by any chance in your former life?

Coming from a pathetic cheerleader who does nothing but troll, ask for sources and links while cheerleading
Coming from the master of copying and pasting links, articles and books in over 12,000 posts according to you.
Guess who would have been the first to request for sources had I pasted those articles without referencing the authors?

I nearly spilt my tea when reading your pseudo intellectual rants on the thread about the Forbes article on Ojukwu's father and the Rolls Royce saga.
And other threads I bother to read where your cheerleading gets in my way.
I watched as this pathetic cheerleader shifted goal so many times just to spite the Igbo guys commenting.
You even had to shame to insist the author must be Igbo, then shifted to something else and then another, without contributing anything to the discourse.

I could not believe a man would stoop so low to play the chameleon.

You this pathetic chameleon of a cheerleader

Finally we can speak our very own Yoruba in peace, the way Lagosians attack you when other Yorubas speak Yoruba language before them, you will think they own the Yoruba language.
you better trace your roots
Am a Yoruba man,
oya kill yourself.

Gotze1:
Buhari has come to tell us we are forever slaves. Wow, what a statement from Emma powerful

we own ur lands o ye afonja
i know its hard but try to stop wailing