MetalJigsaw:
No disrespect to Dessers but he has only performed in the Dutch second league so he doesn't deserve a call up so soon. Let's see what he comes up with now that hes in the Eredivisie.

If I said that my detractors who stand entirely on emotive negative prejudice, not objective appraisal.

Would be up in arms and screaming for blood. Oh he is biased.

The Eredivisie is ranked by FIFA at number 12 in Europe. Having that in mind how good is he. Is the Eredivisie better than the English Championship and or leagues1. It's a question not a proposition and then how good is the Dutch 2nd tier in comparison


Where do we have the overwhelming number of Nigerian origin players outside of Nigeria

All the Francophone countries have thier first port of call the French leagues, for talent why

No Matter what is said the best players are in the best teams and leagues.


Nonetheless there are always exceptions just like Shehu. Of which he hasn't had much competition already to show how fickle we are one game and we are saying Ebuehi is the best.

edi287:

Thank you. Joel Obi is hands down better at the CM position than either one of Ndidi or Onazi.

So why is he not invited but we can go to League rated 30 in Europe in a bottom of the league club and invite a player.

Bewildered !!!

Something got me thinking today. If Sterling could play as an AMF,why couldn't Guardiola play Iheanacho the same when he was there?

edi287:

I meant only Mikel is better than an inform Joel Obi and that's the truth. He has the work rate to go with his technical ability. He is superior to Onazi and Ndidi in terms of TECHNICAL ABILITY. That's the edge he has over both Onazi and Ndidi.

My man am not disputing his TECHNICAL ABILITY superiority but he w need to work hard to displace Ndidi and Onazi.

I hope you know how valuable is Ndidi and Onazi to Rohr.

TECHNICAL ABILITY doesn't do it alone

Kog45:
My man am not disputing his TECHNICAL ABILITY superiority but he w need to work hard to displace Ndidi and Onazi.

I hope you know how valuable is Ndidi and Onazi to Rohr.

TECHNICAL ABILITY doesn't do it alone

If you've watched J Obi well you'll know he has work rate too. Back when he was at Inter, he was compared to Edgar Davids. Continuity is the only argument I can see that'll be made for him not making the team.

COOL10:
Something got me thinking today. If Sterling could play as an AMF,why couldn't Guardiola play Iheanacho the same when he was there?

The answer is simple and clear, guadiola likes people that r shorter and with lower center of gravity thats the first impression, most importantly he prefers people that can hold the ball, dribble and run with it without losing d ball, if u watch iheanacho physical appearance expecially his legs, u will know that he is not built to hold the ball too long, he cant make succesful dribbles without losing d ball, that doesnt mean he is not a good player, him iheanacho can build on it as well, ronaldo doesnt hold the ball or dribble the way messi can but he is the best player in the world. So the issue is gaudiola wants people that holds ball well.

Kog45:
Uzoho got his national team opportunity cos he kept in two LA liga matches not cos he was doung well in division 3,meaning he need to force his way back into contention for Deportivo number 1.

I believe he can do it,division 3 might be good for his age but not good for national team.

Remember Alampasu was in division 3 last season and cos of that we believe he was not good enough to keep for Eagles.

I see Uzoho as potential eagles number 1 but keeping in div 3 w not help him,LA liga 2 should be enough for him to develop as eagles number 1 if he can get a loan deal.

To be honest. Uzoho got talent but he is a division 3 player. His situation those not make him better than Alampasu who featured regularly in division 3 last season and has been promoted to the first team this season. His ability is not in question because he has been tested against some of the best clubs ( Fc Porto) in the world and he came out with distinction.

After all, it only took us 2 games in La Liga to give Uzoho the chance in the National team. Whereas, so far, despite his exploit against Fc Porto , Alampasu has not been gven the equal or fair chances to prove himself in all the friendlies he has been invited.

So, to quickly dispose him without a substantial opportunity is tantamount to injustice.

Mickael2:


yes!!! You are correct Sir, that was when Tbaba and Forgiveness started saying he should be considered for the world cup, please forgive my memory loss. Yes I think he scored as a sub then, recently their main striker got injured and he was called upon to lead the lines and he didnt register a single shot on target for two games straight and he was sent back to the bench. The boy is not quality, simple and short, but for him we would have been in that Olympics final against Brazil

Good just to tell you the depths in Torino squad.Torino of yesteryears w never signed player like Sadiq talk less of loan.

Humility017:

please don't mind him...
just because Martins scored a goal
he won't allow someone to rest....

even if he choosed to score 5 he is still not good enough for the super eagles...
they can only lament here....and that will be all....


dessers scored today in a Dutch league...that all I see...

Who told you Obafemi just scored a goal?

Last season, Odion Ighalo played 47 matches and scored only 17goals with 9 assists while Obafemi played 17 matches and scored 9 goals with 4 assists. Which is better?

We need Obafemi, Joel Obi and Sone Aluko in the team.

forgiveness:


To be honest. Uzoho got talent but he is a division 3 player. His situation those not make him better than Alampasu who featured regularly in division 3 last season and has been promoted to the first team this season. His ability is not in question because he has been tested against some of the best clubs ( Fc Porto) in the world and he came out with distinction.

After all, it only took us 2 games in La Liga to give Uzoho the chance in the National team. Whereas, so far, despite his exploit against Fc Porto , Alampasu has not been gven the equal or fair chances to prove himself in all the friendlies he has been invited.

So, to quickly dispose him without a substantial opportunity is tantamount to injustice.

That's my point.

Alloh Agu is not helping the situation regards our goalkeepers.There is need for him to forget sentiment and give us the best at home or abroad.

I believe Uzoho performance w give Alampasu the opportunity cos the two are in the same category nothing much

Also i want to see Ajiboye in CHAN may be he can do it.

I believe so much in Uzoho, Alampasu and Ajiboye,they can do it.

I don't want to talk on Ezenwa and Akpeyi again

Humility017:


please no need imagine obagoal im Leicester...just take him there...

good you have network of connections in England...you can auction him there...

same Chinese league odion have scored over 15 goals and here one tired leg...scored just a goal and you and forgiveness wont let someone rest...and even call nacho,odion,iwobi and co pretenders......

Odion - 47 matches 15 goals 9 assists.

Obafemi - 17 matches 9 goals with 4 assists.

Kelechi - 11 matches 2 goals 1 assist

Kog45:
That's my point.

Alloh Agu is not helping the situation regards our goalkeepers.There is need for him to forget sentiment and give us the best at home or abroad.

I believe Uzoho performance w give Alampasu the opportunity cos the two are in the same category nothing much

Also i want to see Ajiboye in CHAN may be he can do it.

I believe so much in Uzoho, Alampasu and Ajiboye,they can do it.

I don't want to talk on Ezenwa and Akpeyi again

Don't expect Alloy Agu to give Ajiboye the chance to prove himself in the CHAN.

Anyway, I agree with you on the three choice goalkeepers but they want t force Ezenwa on us.

However, I still expect Eyeama to join the team and I hope Dele Aiyenugba should be given the chance prior to the final selection.

edi287:

If you've watched J Obi well you'll know he has work rate too. Back when he was at Inter, he was compared to Edgar Davids. Continuity is the only argument I can see that'll be made for him not making the team.

Yes making 23 man list not an issue but starting is a huge task for him.

Fernando Adi used to be one of the most mentioned player on this thread...
Where's he now?? has he run out of form already?

Fernando Adi used to be one of the most mentioned player on this thread...
Where's he now?? has he run out of form already?

ChrisKels:


A team that has a whack player like Moses Simon as a starter in an attacking position and a team that was fighting for an over hyped average striker like Tammy, shouldn't question the abilities of such strikers as Dessers.


BTW, about the other day, my moniker on kickoff was chrisjoe

Where Dessers failed in Belgium Simon Moses has gone ahead to be counted among the best in Belgium Pro league.

Go to Belgium and ask for Gent's Messi who singlehandedly won the league for them.

Theaverage Tammy is a Chelsea player and has so far scored 4 goals in the 2nd best league in the world not Eredivise.

forgiveness:


Who told you Obafemi just scored a goal?

Last season, Odion Ighalo played 47 matches and scored only 17goals with 9 assists while Obafemi played 17 matches and scored 9 goals with 4 assists. Which is better?

We need Obafemi, Joel Obi and Sone Aluko in the team.

Go and put dem dere

MetalJigsaw:
Moses Simon a whack player? then how come he's a regular starter at his club and even their set piece taker? Hoe come he's constantly invited to SE even before Rohr's appointment?

Tammy is oveehyped, I agree. But at least he's Swansea's number 1 striker and a Chelsea player. So he's not in same class with your Dessers.

Forgive him for he knows not what he saying.

forgiveness:

Don't expect Alloy Agu to give Ajiboye the chance to prove himself in the CHAN.

Anyway, I agree with you on the three choice goalkeepers but they want t force Ezenwa on us.

However, I still expect Eyeama to join the team and I hope Dele Aiyenugba should be given the chance prior to the final selection.

I don't think Alloy Agu want Enyeama back though he made some comment recently on him but initially he wasn't dispose to Enyeama return.

I don't think Aiyenugba is on their radar cos we have seen Ogu and Nwakaeme from the same league getting invitations.

Yes Ajiboye not getting the chance ties to Ezenwa performance,any flop from him that's the end.

Danielnino00:
Fernando Adi used to be one of the most mentioned player on this thread...

Where's he now?? has he run out of form already?

This thread na turn by turn na Dessers and Onuachu dey in vogue now

ChrisKels:


How many goals has your Simon this season and what's the position of Gent in the jupiler league? Lol Tammy being a Chelsea player is now a factor? Gael Kakuta was also a Chelsea player bro and he had more hype than Tammy. To me, Tammy is another Yaya Sanogo. Yes Tammy is Swansea' top striker little wonder Swansea is second from the bottom with 8points. If he was worth the hype, Swansea wouldn't be languishing in the relegation dugout. Watch Swansea dump him soon for a better striker to rescue them from the jaws of relegation.

How many goals has Iheanacho scored this season?

Don't you think if he worth the hype his club will not be battling to survive relegation?

sontoly:
My conclusions:

Pros:

cyriel desser will be a like for like, or even better replacement for Odion Igalo, he has same characteristics with him and good physicality that is suitable for african footballs, he has good awareness and nice positioning skills, carries hot shots on both feet, has a good footwork required of a striker. He will give Ighalo a run for his money.

cons:

Cyriel desser struggles with aeriel balls, may waste a couple of chances cos of unnecessary wayward shots, has contributed lesser assists and doesnt often help with buildup plays.



PAUL ONUACHU

Pros:

paul is excellent with aeriel balls because of his height, has a good speed cos of his longer legs, he has a nice footworks considering his stature, may add something similar to Agali or even better.

Paul has a good sense of awareness and good positioning skills, he has contributed to so many goals this season apart from scoring making him a good teamplayer, he also contributes to buildup play which makes him fall a bit deeper to the midfield most times. He will be a good asset to the super eagles.


Cons:

He often get tangled while trying to dribble an opponent, he needs to do better on footworks, his physicality may not be suitable for playing african opponents. His shots mostly are not weighty and needs to add more power to his shots.

Final conclusion:

having both in the team will be nice, but probably overcrowded, its left for the coaching staff n scouts to decide.

'Dessers doesn't engage in his team's buildup plays; he struggles with aerial balls'.. These are huge disadvantages for an attacker.

komekn:


If I said that my detractors who stand entirely on emotive negative prejudice, not objective appraisal.

Would be up in arms and screaming for blood. Oh he is biased.

You project alot. You are as guilty of prejudice as those you accuse. But you are so steeped in your prejudice that you think your own view is all that there is and that's why you are shocked when people see things from other perspectives and the only way for you to cope is to label them 'emotive negative prejudice'. And when you have deflected attention to others, you tuck in safely behind your own prejudices and continue your song.

The Eredivisie is ranked by FIFA at number 12 in Europe. Having that in mind how good is he. Is the Eredivisie better than the English Championship and or leagues1. It's a question not a proposition and then how good is the Dutch 2nd tier in comparison

Na so. Let the Coaches invite him. If he performs, good for him. Tell me - how many players from the much vaunted 94 set played first team football in the best teams in the best leagues? Where were Amokachi, Rashidi, Siasia, Keshi, Ugbade, Amunike, Iroha etc playing then?

Please tell me where the leagues in south America apart from Brazil rank? Yet south American countries routinely feature players from their league.
I don't give a hoot where a player plays. I'm prejudiced against our home based players but if an home based player is invited and he performs then good for him.
Dessers is not in the second division. He's in the Eredevisie. Are you not the one who a while ago was saying that Nigeria must not wait for England to discover players for us? That doesn't matter so long as it is England. But if it's outside England we have to wait for the player to be bought by Real Madrid before we know he's quality.

Where do we have the overwhelming number of Nigerian origin players outside of Nigeria

All the Francophone countries have thier first port of call the French leagues, for talent why

No Matter what is said the best players are in the best teams and leagues.

EPL, championship and league one- are these not where you were headed to since? I've said it and repeat it again- until our team is populated from 1-23 by UK league players you won't rest. Look at the disdain with which you talk about the Dutch and Belgian league. You are guilty of negative emotive prejudice.
The bolded is not an ancient, unchanging law of the Medes and Persians. At best it's just a guide and it should be a very, very flexible one at that.

Nonetheless there are always exceptions just like Shehu. Of which he hasn't had much competition already to show how fickle we are one game and we are saying Ebuehi is the best.

The exceptions are why you cannot make an absolute criteria which players must pass. Ebuehi's performance was good. Not the best but he's shown great potential, to have played in such a way that even the foreign press took note is no mean feat. But before then and even now you spat on him, Shehu and others from leagues outside of your beloved EPL and Championship even league one. If it were Aina that performed as good as Ebuehi you for no let us rest because even before his two outings for us you no let us rest. don't think I don't like Aina. I do and I've defended him against those who want to put him down but you are negatively emotively, subjectively prejudiced against Ebuehi and others of his ilk. You use one measure for Aina and another for Ebuehi. Aina is in the Championship, Ebuehi is in the Eredevisie. Who is on a higher level? I know you will say that the English championship is higher than the Eredevisie which is ranked 12th. All that doesn't cut it. Come and perform. That's all.
Read what Toyin ibitoye NFF press officer said

Danielnino00:
Fernando Adi used to be one of the most mentioned player on this thread...

Where's he now?? has he run out of form already?

That is one of the characteristics of an average football player- Inconsistency .

They find it hard to keep up a good performance and/or improve their game.

COOL10:
Something got me thinking today. If Sterling could play as an AMF,why couldn't Guardiola play Iheanacho the same when he was there?

Help me ask him O! Ask him very well sef.

ChrisKels:


Then he (Tammy) should prove he is up there with the big boys. He can't continue riding on the back of his exploits in the championship else he remains a flash in the pan. Dessers had similar exploits and he's picked up from where he left off after making the step up to a better league. Tammy will remain all hype and no jack until he proves his mettle now that he is in a better league.

I used Simon to drive home a point and u straggled, but even at that, a fellow winger in Samuel Kalu is also performing his primary duties as a winger at same club yet his numbers still speak loud unlike ur Simon's

Tammy- 15 matches 5 goals 1 assist in EPL

Dessers - 18 matches 8 goals 3 assists in EREDIVISE

Iheanacho - 11 matches 2 goals 1 assist

Does Tammy statics look like flash in a pan to you?


Onyekuru - 20 matches 8 goals 0

Simon - 14 matches 3 goals 1 assist

Samuel - 14 matches 4 goals 3 assists

Simon Moses still remains Gent best player.

COOL10:
Something got me thinking today. If Sterling could play as an AMF,why couldn't Guardiola play Iheanacho the same when he was there?

I wonder o. Nacho is our most potential AM after Mikel.

forgiveness:



Tammy- 15 matches 5 goals 1 assist in EPL

Dessers - 18 matches 8 goals 3 assists in EREDIVISE

Iheanacho - 11 matches 2 goals 1 assist

Does Tammy statics look like flash in a pan to you?


Onyekuru - 20 matches 8 goals 0

Simon - 14 matches 3 goals 1 assist

Samuel - 14 matches 4 goals 3 assists

Simon Moses still remains Gent best player.

Help me ask him in which league did Dessers make his mark and "score goals"

In the Dutch second division ,imagine!

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Everybody has their own prejudice. Let none act like he is free from prejudice.

komekn:


If I said that my detractors who stand entirely on emotive negative prejudice, not objective appraisal.

Would be up in arms and screaming for blood. Oh he is biased.

The Eredivisie is ranked by FIFA at number 12 in Europe. Having that in mind how good is he. Is the Eredivisie better than the English Championship and or leagues1. It's a question not a proposition and then how good is the Dutch 2nd tier in comparison


Where do we have the overwhelming number of Nigerian origin players outside of Nigeria

All the Francophone countries have thier first port of call the French leagues, for talent why

No Matter what is said the best players are in the best teams and leagues.


Nonetheless there are always exceptions just like Shehu. Of which he hasn't had much competition already to show how fickle we are one game and we are saying Ebuehi is the best.

Spot on!

Napoleon55:
i decided to watch his game today,unfortunately i could not watch the first half,but the second half that i watched,for about 15',his leg didn't touch ball,up till he was subbed off,he did not make any meaningful contribution,for about 5 or 6 times he tried to make contact with the ball,he fell down 3 or 4 times,then he was removed.
i didn't know about the first half,just the second half,but from the 30' i watched,that kind player is not going to do anything better than what we have.
the fact is that after Mikel,we don't have another attacking midfielder that can control the game,Joel Obi can not do the job.

i don't know the standard u want SE to attain, for me,i'm looking at the standard we can be able to compete with the best,we are talking about winning the world cup in 2022,is it all these type of players you have been mentioning every now and then that we are going use to win the world cup,or even AFCON?
it's not just any player u c playing in europe should be invited if we are serious of winning any trophy,we have gone beyond just participating in tournaments,we should b able to aim of winning not just participating,that's why it's not every player should b invited just because he is a good footballer.
u want to win a WC,u will invite a player like Joel Obi that will perform for one game,then get injured in the next game,and the rest of the tournament,n start looking 4 rplacement.

i don't know the kind of result you want to achieve with all these your players.
try to check the type of players that have won something for us in the past and c how good they were.
players in the mold of Kanu,Okocha,Finidi Olisey,Mikel,etc that's the type of players u should b clamouring for,if u can't c these type players i have mentioned,don't disturb us with all these type of players u and Komekn kept throwing at us as if they are going to win us WC if they are invited.

Who was the MOTM in same match you watched? Abi you sabi pass those ones?


Because you want to win the WC we should discard the best players we currently have, ba?

Joel Obi will comfortably and conveniently bench Ogu, Ndid and Onazi in that CMF role without stress.

edi287:

Joel Obi walks into our first 11 if fit. Only Mikel is better when in form. If Etebo, Ogu, Onazi, etc are making our team, then there's no way in the world a fit Joel Obi doesn't make it.

Help me tell am.