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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by BakireBulmaker: 7:54pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
Leez: When you wake up, use Coartem, you will be OK. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by g0tze: 7:55pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
Leez:Lagos belongs to us. We are not even fighting Lagos with anyone let them take osun for all i care. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Leez(m): 7:59pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
g0tze:Bakire take note 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by BakireBulmaker: 8:17pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
Leez: Shouldn't you be mourning Kanu |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Leez(m): 9:21pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
BakireBulmaker:how can u mourn d living na ehn ewedu goblin smh 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by gregyboy(m): 10:12pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
mmsen: even the white do claim land of ownership |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by fejikudz(m): 11:17pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
ProWalker:JESUS.. see savage 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by gregyboy(m): 11:37pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
YourNemesis: yea benin is suprior to yorubas in so many ways the trurh in history cnt always been hidden forever now most yoruba towns were been influenced by the benin even those words you mention where borrowed languages from the benins we ruled over ondo osun ogun ekiti lagos this alone is enuff to spread our entire language and culture but we decide for yorubas to keep thier culture as long the pay homage same for the east we also share words common due to our influence the painfull part for you yorubas to accept is that as large as the yoruba race a small benin kigdom influenced almost all the state in yoruba land including the place of your origin ife who our boy was sent to rule because yorubas lack progeniture so was easily accepted same as other yorubas state tho yorubas are leading in the present day nigeria when a benin man wants to lead in nigeria he leads above no equal i mean even the entire world would recongnise him eg antony enawoho, benson idahosa oba of benin...etc benin is grt even the British enveyed it till dey saw it downfall yorubas are just little obstacles .i wise man once said if you no your root then you will understand yoruba was never united in the time of old but benin united them so if they dont find thier root this problem will keep on persisting untill they acknowledged home benin is grt oba kha to kpere ise.... 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by gregyboy(m): 11:55pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
superstar1: benin had so many titles oba was never used in yoruba history to represent king i. yoruba history anyday untill presently i even heard Yoruba's say it was the name of the first in ife that bore the name oba but never ascended the throne as oba but ooni so our son went to ife bcame king we collected him due to progeniture he came changed the title ogiso to oba meaning shinning one. in benin who knows it could still be changed from oba to something else tomorrow even the name of the kingdom as been changed severally u fu**king yorubas go find better lies cause this one dont fit even the name yoruba was given to u all due to ur cunnity even uptill date yorubas are still cunny slways following the rulling party north thats why i like my igbo pple who dont like intimadation and says the truth unlike yaribas 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by laudate: 1:48am On Nov 21, 2017 |
gregyboy:Stop it, please. Ghe gui. The IPOB-Igbo youths were the one to start knocking the heads of the Bini against the Yorubas on this thread, with their tribalistic claims and you have fallen for their antics, just like some of the other undiscerning people here. Why can't you see through their deceitful IPOBian plot? Just read through this thread from the beginning to the end, and you would see where the whole issue arose. Otemwen, don't let anger get the better of you, and don't let some people spoil your good name here. 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Nobody: 3:12am On Nov 21, 2017 |
I believed the attention of the traditional institutions mentioned in my last posting had been drawn to that site as one of them said it was not an issue. Also, they believed young boys online are getting excited to keep themselves busy. You don't just cooked up a story against a well civilized, urbanized & commercially strong Ijebu people historical facts. The only truth in that story is that Onikoyi (the traditional owner of Ikoyi) was from Oyo just as Olubara of Ibara (Abeokuta) was also from Oyo. The camping of Orisa was just a fabrication. Will OGEGBO of IBONWON camp his Agemo in Agbara? They imported Ibefun (an Ijebu riverine town close to Ososa via Ijebu Ode). People from time immemorial refer to Eyo returning to Iperu at the end of Eyo festival day to mark the end of Eyo day as it was brought to Lagos from that area as Bamgbose, Kudeti & Ojuelegba Egungun masquerade were all brought to Lagos with their Orisa. People on nairaland immediately overshadowing historical facts & preventing people from reading the foundational truth by immediately posting series of none issues to cover up as observed by some people are we'll-done. Kabiesi, thanks sir. I also greet laudate, macof , etc well-done. 2 Likes |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by laudate: 3:30am On Nov 21, 2017 |
Leez:
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Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by superstar1(m): 6:50am On Nov 21, 2017 |
gregyboy: Lol!!!!! Revisionist at work again. Go an look for your lost Son among the Igbos in Onitsha or Ijaws in Gelegele. We own your thrown, we own your crown, you worship our gods, our kingdom was bigger in all ramifications, we gave your throne the title of an Oba. You never had an Oba before we impregnated your Princess, which your men could not do. We named Benin what it is today - Ile Ibinu. The Ife Art -- the terracotta head -- has been scientifically proven to predate Benin Art. Our words are strongly entrenched in your lexicon when tell us the Bini words in our lexicon. The impact of our culture and influence is undeniably written all over Bini culture. Some nonentities are saying Yorubas were never United. Really!!!!! Then they should be read up on Emperor Alaafin and centuries of ruling. Read up on Obatala Obatosa. You will know since when the Oba has been in the lexicon of the Yorubas. Oba came into your lexicon when Oranmiyan was sent to establish a our lineage on your throne and which he did successfully. The title of your throne was Ogiso. Truth is bitter but we will keep ramping it down your throat. Our lineage still rule Bini kingdom till today. Deal with it and cry us holy water. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by ModsWillKillNL: 8:51am On Nov 21, 2017 |
The moderator that banned my friend for smashing the flattheads of looonatic flatiyeasterners mercilessly is a bastard! And for the dolt asked, Nnamdi KANU is better dead than missing without trace. The way it is now, he'll be totally forgotten in a matter of months Even IPOB have been screaming to world that he is unreachable. He deserves to be mourned!! |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:37am On Nov 21, 2017 |
babaolofin: Dude stop heating up the space with this your lamentations over phantom issues. No one cooked any story against anybody, you just happen to not be conversant with your history. Lack of documentation, excessive attachment to needless secrecy and nonchalant attitude to history is to blame. These are the take home points for you Point 1, you share more, far more than you already know with your Bini cousins (believe me, it will shock you to ur bone marrows) Point 2, back in precolonial days, there was nothing like Yoruba land or an Ijebu nationality, there was an Ijebu alliance, an Ijebu-Oyo alliance, an Ijebu-Ife alliance...same with Owos, the now Egbas and other sub groups now called Yoruba. Point 3, the Bini empire extended to more areas now popularly known as "Yoruba" land, a portion of Ekiti from Ijero axis for example was under Bini, I am sure you are probably not aware of the relationship between Ondo/Akure and Bini. Point 4, there is more to the Oranmiyan/Oduduwa lineage than you are probably aware of (let me leave it at that) Point 5, your fierce Ijebu "nationalism" or Yoruba "nationalism" is entirely misplaced. The boundaries and ethnic identities before colonization were not that rigid, else Oranmiyan won't have had a chance at going to Bini to start a dynasty. If it were that rigid, many families in Ife and Oyo now bearing the Yoruba ethnic tag, who were originally had Tapa, Hausa, Borgu, Fulani and Nupe origins won't have settled and blended successfully. If you doubt me ask the Fani-Kayode family where they are from originally. Another clear example that you are largely ignorant of history is the fact that most Yoruba people are completely unaware that there is a Yoruba enclave in the heart of Anioma lands in Delta state, the Olukumis, who not only speak Igbo, but also speak an old Yoruba dialect till today. Another example is the Fulani ruling houses of Hausa lands, they HAD NOTHING to do with Hausa language, culture or history apart from the Jihad that saw them taking over. Guess what? They have been the face, voice, hands and rulers of Hausa land since then, infact they signed the handover documents ceding those territories to the British A few years from now, guess who will be crying over the dominance of Bola Tinubu's dynasty, who are not even Lagosians not to talk of being biologically related to Madam Tinubu's family in the first place? These things happen, and politically astute men like Bola Tinubu carve out a befitting niche for themselves, I give him kudos though, he's earned it well. Point 6, this bush rat you are chasing under the guise of crying over the news that Bini has influence in Ikorodu or Ijebu lands might hurt you more if you go about it this way. Who told you your own family are "pure" Yorubas or Ijebus? Have you really bothered to trace your family tree? When the original Obalades went out to found kingdoms, they left with war parties and entourages, guess where the men who made up those war parties and entourages came from? Even worse, to ensure loyalty and prevent usurpers from taking over their thrones, they regularly freed slaves or setup slave households that will be perpetually subservient to them, then made them generals, collectors of isakole or court officials. The family and orishas that regularly have to be worshipped required certain heads I can not mention here.Do you want to guess where they got the men and women for all these power plays? Point 7, If you were shown whose signatures were actually on the document ceding sovereign territories like Eko, Bini and other kingdoms to the British, you would probably jump inside the Lagoon. Point 8, goan sleep joor. Na ignorance of history dey worry una. The kings and their descendants know what's up. And its not as rigid as you crying lots are trying to make it sound. You share more with your neighbours than you are aware of. 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by PabloAfricanus(m): 10:16am On Nov 21, 2017 |
superstar1: Another one bubbling with fierce nationalism! When next you go home, ask your elders about how Ifa saw Oduduwa coming and told the elders at Ife to welcome him, that he will help them. They saw him coming, though some heads of the houses like Obatala put up a resistance and fought to maintain the status quo. Guess who formed awo cults to protest his dominance? Guess where he came from? Guess why there has always been a mythology and story about Oduduwa coming from somewhere in the east? If you believe the recent fabrications to distance now learned Yoruba historians from that Far East migration story, then I am sorry. There is a whole lot of intertwined history with Nupe, Bini, Hausa and Yorubas...especially Nupes than is presently documented. May be you should do some research and inform yourself. 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by gregyboy(m): 10:53am On Nov 21, 2017 |
superstar1: funny have gone through the list of yourubas kings from day one and nothing oba was used the title was ooni even if thier was a persin named obatal dat u acclaimed sky dived from heaven which we know is a myth it was assured in d yorubas that the name was never used as a title rather ooni as the title followed by the name a typical exp obama is a name of a person but when he took leadership over america he was then adress as president obama now the president is a title not the name obama that is the same thing that occured in ile ife now a young izodowa wondered to ile ife u made him king because of the system u pratice which has to do with ruling house and the ifa priest gets to appoint who to rule unlike the benin where is progeniture .so your gods loved him added him to the ruling house e became king later we went in search for him as a true son to the throne .he gave us is son and d child of d son became king changing the dynasty to oba note it was oromiyan that ruled and changed the name oba but rather was eweka so i dont see any connection btw d father that came from ile that changed the name oba but rather is son who was never been to ife and in benin oba means shinning our conqurors actually took most of our words there if you check lagos names like oshodin are benin names here to the east names like okoro are benin names here if i start to mention i wont stop writting accept the truth benin conquered almost all yoruba towns even llie ife the birth place |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Olu317(m): 12:58pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
laudate:Are you sure some Edo inclined historians doesn't try to claim Odu'a as a prince from IDU/Ogodomigodo? If some people claim Odu'a migrated from IDU to ILE IFE then doesn't it show he developed ILE IFE through such claim? And on the issue of Olusegun Aganga, is just showcasing how people may in the distance future claim things. Ordinarily I don't have any problem with the man in anyway. So, don't get me wrong. If Yoruba want to claim glory on achievement, there will be too much to make as a reference. 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by laudate: 1:15pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Olu317: Why are you fixated on Olusegun Aganga? Is he owing you anything or has he ever made any statement about Bini owning Lagos? NO!! So why do you keep bringing him into this conversation? As for the Bini historians that talk about the history of the Benin people or their empire, have they done anything wrong by recording the history of their people or their culture? Even Yoruba historians like Prof Festus Ade Ajayi and others did so. Did anyone raise any dust? So why does the chronicle of history by Benin historians trouble you so much? Didn't the christian missionaries, foreign scholars, Portuguese scholars, merchants and colonial masters also write about the history of different places in Nigeria?? Abeg, stop chasing after petty issues.... 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by laudate: 1:18pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
PabloAfricanus:Here comes the pseudo-intellectual Igbo boy that wants to lecture others about their history, without any source or proof to back up his claims. I laugh today in Greek.... Oh, I miss the days of Terracotta, Jakumo etc, who were the true masters that would have put such braggarts in their place. 2 Likes |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by nobaga: 4:29pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
While I share Ajayi-Bebe feelings about the intentional exclusion of Lagosians from the scheme put together by Tinubu from Oragbiji in Osun State, Ajayi affiliation conceding Lagos Island to Benin is misplaced. Bini itself is Yoruba regardless of the politics of the day. The ligua franca in Bini palace until recently was Yoruba, their gods are Yoruba and the names of the royals until recently are Yoruba. Oduduwa came before Christ and existed not only in Yoruba history buy in that of their cousins worldwide including Ijaw before Ikalehan appearance in the 14th century. Ajayi-Bembe cannot reconcile that by claiming Bini and Awori are the same. That is pure self serving. He can get away with that by claiming all Yoruba are cousins. Aromire own Isale Eko a descendant of Ogunfimonire, an Awori from Ife own Lagos from Isheri to Isale Eko. https://www.nairaland.com/4018415/ogiso-bini-ijaw-came-ile-ife#59914051 |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by gregyboy(m): 4:48pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
nobaga: who was the first king of ile ife some says is obatala you are here saying is oduduwa benin giving yorubas oduduwa did a lot in ile ife it changed thier political systems introduced d benin gods and benin tongues in ile ife he did what the earlier ooni couldn't do indeed oduduwa the prince was great i see why yorubas revered him so much |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by lawani: 5:13pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
The Names Obasanjo, Obafemi Etc Should have told you oba is part of the yoruba lexicon. once again bini was a yoruba speaking town until relatively recently |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Olu317(m): 7:03pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
laudate:You seem not to have read what I sent and you definitely owe me an apology. I mentioned descendants of Olusegun Aganga....... There is a clear difference. Go back and read again on my previous post before the last. Then, Edo people whose historical account contradict the true issue need be corrected. This has been the way at which they distort history. And such need serious correction because of the future. Kindly give these a good thought . If I may ask you, how would you feel, if someone lied about your own personal ancestors history? How would you feel if people send thrash online about your ancestors migration pattern? And how would you feel, if people lied about the name your ancestors call God? You can't understand my purpose if you don't understand my reasons. |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by laudate: 11:14pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Olu317:Now you are talking again about the descendants of Olusegun Aganga. Wait first....Have they said anything to you, or made any claims to you? Again I need to ask......why bring them into this conversation? And why are you thriving on conjecture? It appears you have some deep seated grudge against the man, or you envy him in some way. Tell us what your problem is, so that we can treat your case. I fail to see why you keep dragging someone into a conversation, that has absolutely nothing to do with him or his descendants. Do you know him personally? Or did Aganga or his descendants trash your ancestors history online? Gosh!! If you must talk about someone making claims, why not talk about Layi Ajayi-Bembe, the old man who started the controversy about Benin-Yoruba claims over Lagos?? I know the history of my ancestors, and if anyone lied about it, I would simply tell him the truth and clear his misconceptions. I would point out the fallacies or inconsistencies in the erroneous accounts of those who try to write my ancestors history, from their own perspective. The truth is that oral history cannot be studied in a rigid continuum. There are so many different perspectives of any particular event. Like Chimamanda Adichie said: "We remember differently." But the burden lies on those recounting such events, to do so in a way that is as factual as possible. Revisionists exist in every culture, and the only way to counter their assertions is to use the weapon of truth. There are some people that can't be bothered with their ancestral history, because they have formed new identities for themselves, or have chosen to become citizens of other countries. But the truth is that culture is dynamic. And there are so many factors that shape culture, languages, traditions and history, through the ages. One just needs to keep an open mind and document as much of it, as one can, in order to keep the records for posterity. |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by gregyboy(m): 12:57am On Nov 22, 2017 |
Olu317: benin havnt lied at all far back then benin was so developed that they documented history through art thats how benin still got all the oba faces right from the ogisos to present era. and basic fact of oduduwa are still in benin musuem nd in the palace for those who believed benin was speaking yoruba language in the olds i wonder how they think .benin was an empire who ruled so many ethnic group and spreaded most of thier words to those of his colonies same as the gods they worshipped basic fact oduduwa was from benin not from mecca 1. he was dressed in white clothes hunged around is neck just like the late ovaramen hunged is on is neck 2. his beed on his neck was round just like the benin round beeds 3.the chains on his hands which shows he was about to be killed in his hometown false stories about oduduwa which aint true due to scientific analysis 1.migration from mecca that so wrong during is migration he could have established other settlement along the way but it didnt because it is false story 2.descending from the sky that 100 percent myth even krishna the son of god had to come through a human no historians accept that unproven fact 3.distance from Mecca to ille ife is 1000 of miles which was never possible of him making the journey to my conclusion the benins have a more valid history of oduduwa than the yorubas 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by helpishere(m): 6:11am On Nov 22, 2017 |
gregyboy:That number 2 point made all story about oduduwa fake. Did he fall from the sky like Satan did or Ufo plane dropped him using the chains since there were no parachute in those days. Laudate. The way you mediate in this matter makes me wonder what is really going on. The story about Lagos is being told by the Lagosians and not by us and we don't need to know Bembe'said igiogbe before we believe his story. I know of a carribean girl who wanted to go back to Africa because she wanted to know her roots. People are doing funny Stuff to get to know their roots while the ones who should ask questions about their origin are claiming super power. England colonised India and Pakistan and Nigeria and yet they were not more than 20m. I think our Oba should establish a commonwealth of Benin territories |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by odigbosky(m): 8:21am On Nov 22, 2017 |
Laudate whoever you are may Osanudazi bless you my bro.....I don't know why people like dragging us into their person issues. If the Igbos and the Afonjas have issues, why will they start throwing insults at the Oba of Benin, something no Edo person does. The last time during coronation when we where in a bus one igbo driver just made a remark about the Crown prince then who is now the Oba. it was the Edo man sitting at the front that slapped senses into him first before they forced him to park the bus. It was an uhrobo that was begging for him, he would have been lynched for making a remark that wasn't an insult but it just puts blame on the oba....What i want people who like insulting the Oba of Benin here should please stop it. We Edos won't do anything to bring insult to our monarch and we wont tolerate it....call our girls prostitutes, call us thieves, call us all sorts of name to derogate us we will swallow it and move on but never insult the Oba of Benin. Don't tell an Edo man that....Lahor OBA gha to kpere......ISE!!! 1 Like |
Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by gregyboy(m): 8:27am On Nov 22, 2017 |
helpishere: i think thats a good idea but it wont work at all due to language differences ,tribalism and so on it will go ahead becoming a disaster |
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