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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:57pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
junnyjake:Precisely my own predicament too@Joebie |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by OMANBALA1: 1:58pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Mujtahida: And its not like Onazi is a bad player just that players that cant play simple passes bores the hell out of me. Ogu has no vision but he can play simple clean passes. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 1:59pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Mujtahida: An objective based argument is one that is based on proven facts, authoritative and substantive facts not prejudice. What are the facts ![]() 1) The EPL is rated Number 1 or 2 in the world depending which respected and or authoritative ratings body you make reference too. https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/ http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458287-ranking-the-top-20-world-football-leagues-statistically http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2836244/Premier-League-emerges-best-world-following-Sportsmail-s-depth-study-global-football.html http://bleacherreport.com/articles/786046-power-ranking-the-top-30-leagues-in-europe https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/10-Reasons-Why-All-The-World-Loves-The-EPL 2) Ratings are not absolutes but indicators for informed projection to be made. Using the baseline data, is it prejudice to rate a league higher in a far higher rated league ![]() 3) The ratings of a league and a top team in that league have an impact on the player rating as well , is that what you call prejudice ![]() 4) A methodology based on performance measurements devoid of personal subjective and emotive preferences is what clubs use around the world to identify players in the first instance. That is what you call prejudice ![]() 5) What these methodical objective based assessments highlight in the world context is how far the Chines league has come up and how high some of the south American leagues are. 6) In the 1990's like other things our domestic leagues were strong and there was not a mad dash to leave Nigeria. That is a complete irreverent comparison as things stand now and have been for over 10 years, your statement is totally misleading, WHY ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 7) Lets have an elementary lesson , what is prejudice ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 9) It was alleged that i do not consider players outside of the EPL , which is not true. I gave credence by giving examples of numerous players who left League 1 straight into the EPL. But with the proviso that they should be outstanding in team and league as the justification for a call up. 10) It is methodical and objective to consider players in a far higher league as being superior on average. That is not prejudice , but measurable and proven fact all things being equal or generally speaking. Of course there will be exceptions. The Eredivisie is ranked over 10 places below the EPL that is a huge gulf. Is it therefore not feasible to rank the Eredivisie on par or even lower than the English Championship and in that regard the Norwegian league which is 30 places below on par or much lower than League 1. Is that prejudice or methodical comparison measurement ![]() 11)The highest goals to game ratio in European leagues, is in the Eredivisie who often manage over 3 goals per game. But what does that say about a league where goals come so cheaply ![]() ![]() ![]() Finally, can the vitriolic, antagonistic, spiteful and rancorous rhetoric stop as some of us sound like a bitter woman scorned on her wedding day left holding the flowers with no bridegroom ![]() ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 2:00pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: I seriously think Etuhu should be part of the present team. Dude still got a lot to offer. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:03pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Okay Icon4s SerVik kog45 solonnachi Mujtahida junnyjake and the rest of us online how would you order these names: Bonaventure Yahaya Osimhen Kelechi Nwakali Francis Uzoho Orji Okonkwo Bright Enobakhare Kingsley Michael Sincere Seth Tega Ejaria Fikayo Tomori Joel Osoro etc Mujtahida: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 2:11pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Joebie:Yes the best should be given chance but when it come to sports pls give it to south east and south south and if you see any south west or northerners in sports they are extremely good. It's simple northerners don't give their ward very access to sports though the north central still allowed their kids to do sports but can't be compared to full blessing Igbo or South South man w give his children. Am a Yoruba man and i know how Yorubas take sports, they want you to be in school most Yoruba guys you see in sports are stubborn types,very few see the support of their parents. My growing up as a boy who love football and very talented was difficult cos my Dad believe so much in education, our house was just a minute to the Stadium. I wake up to see stadium main bowl every morning.but dodge to go to stadium despite my talent. My mates who have the opportunity of going to the stadium were well developed after secondary school, one even make it to Japan 93 squad in 1992 as secondary school boy,some played in the local league, some played professional football, at least 5 played as a full fledged national team player,one played in EPL while one played as FB for an European country at 2002 WC.Most of these guys are Igbo boys. After my sec sch i have little freedom in the university but i w not deceive you too late cos my peers in football ahead in term of fitness and confidence,I just played normal University games nothing more,my mind was on education not football. What am try to say is that the Igbo and Niger deltan we always have an edge over other tribes.They received early support from their parents than any other tribes and there is no way you can meet up with them,that's just the fact. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 2:11pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Mujtahida: I know say that Joel Obi matter never even give you mouth to yarn ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 2:12pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Mujtahida: You make an allegation indeed a very rancorous one at that , but you do not back it up with facts or any reference, that is creating animosity for no reason, unless you have your own hidden reasons. Then you end with a very friendly all encompassing statement , I am confused. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 2:20pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Joebie: 5.Victor osimhen 4.Orji okwonkwo 3.Kelechi nwankali 2.Chidiera ejike 1.Francis uzoho |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 2:24pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Mujtahida:I didn't just read the headline, I read the quote too. And you can see the contents. Or are you saying the news if false? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 2:25pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
junnyjake:Yes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:27pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Well like I said naturally all tribes will be represented. But we can't expect an equal distribution. So we are saying almost the same thing. It's just like expecting that Americans would have lots of soccer stars, when in reality many of the kids will not consider soccer as their first choice. So their best athletes gave american football, basketball etc more priority during their development because that's their top sports nationally. So yes different tribes have different value system. The Yorubas have always been known to put priority in education. So that can be a factor. Although your typical upbringing can also be seen in other non-yoruba homes. So what you have here is a generalization. Growing up I've realized success has many definitions. The focus on education is mainly to acquire jobs, but we are no longer in the industrial age. Things have changed a lot and that's why we see successful people in so many different fields of endeavor. Kog45: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 2:27pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Kog45: Thanks for the acknowledgement, believe me, it means a lot to me. You See, tribalism/racism is a very irritating concept to me and those who are accused of such are people who're not exposed, who have not seen the world from the other sides (No apologies to whoever takes offence) I have lots of Peruvian, Ecuadorian friends, some of these guys even show me love than some of my countrymen, so ironic. Just because I'm not from their side of the country, I'm considered a stranger. I try as much as I can to be globalized, so when I speak, people never guess right where I'm from, some would go as far as labeling me British. Only few people here know my tribe because I told them. I have a background with the Dutchs, was born in the West, spent almost 2 decades there, I'm from the northern (central) part of the country, that's where I live presently, that same part shares borders with some Eastern states and a southern state as well. So you see, I've been in touch with virtually all parts of the country, I speak Yoruba, Hausa, Igede, Warri pidgin fluently, and when I do, there's no need asking me where i'm from. Just imagine me walking down the street of Miami and someone asks me. "¿Estás perdido?" and I answer "sí, señor, estoy buscando a mi amigo, su nombre es Miguel" I just communicated with a complete stranger, because I've been exposed to his culture. I just wish people expose themselves to other people's culture, understand them, that's the only thing that can cure this disease of tribalism. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 2:29pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
SerVik:Onyi nam, obenu. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enigmaticmotik(m): 2:34pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Joebie: Good comment all through except for that last paragraph. He shouldn't have written such, I know he's one of the oldest contributors here and should be a true leader that he is God bless Nigeria (not just a single tribe) |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:35pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Let's consider the quotes together. “I played against Angel Di Maria, a great player of course, and I cannot quite realise that I can play against him Defensively, I stood my ground, and offensively I tried to do as much as possible, and it all went well, I think.” “All of a sudden you play against world stars, normally you see them on TV or you play them with FIFA on the computer,” “I think it (playing against Argentina) went well, I have a lot of speed and I try to get a lot of the ball,” “I think I left a good impression, it would be nice, that I play at the World Cup next year.” The last quote is the only one where player seems to suggesting something. But the player is just saying he THINKS he left a good impression -- which he actually did. But the following remark is a hopeful one. Even players that didn't get to play are still hopeful, and they have as well expressed their hope. It's not in anyway saying he deserves to go to the World Cup just by that performance if that's what the headline was suggesting. MetalJigsaw: 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 2:36pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
junnyjake:You forgot Yakubu, Taiwo, Shola Ameobi, Pius Ikedia, Aghahowa, Ifeanyi Udeze, Amokachi, Finidi. Even Babayaro ![]() junnyjake:You forgot Yakubu, Taiwo, Shola Ameobi, Pius Ikedia, Aghahowa, Ifeanyi Udeze, Amokachi, Finidi. Even Babayaro |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 2:38pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
I think you are misunderstanding him. Read his following posts. enigmaticmotik: 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 2:39pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
kennysville: Firstly , i appreciate your sincere approach. But do not presume, do you really think Rohr knows anything about the Norwegian league, there will be whole series of people official and unofficial that advise him. A good number will have their own agendas. I call them gate keepers. You really do not know sometimes what your gate-man is doing to those who seek audience with you. He could be charging a gate fee unknown to you. Particularly , you will never have the time to check or even discover unless he slips up, it could go on ad finitum. Football should be about equity and Fair-play however in reality it is not. The most important word for a player is OPPORTUNITY and those who are most deserving should get it the opportunity. But that doesn't always happen. For instance anybody who has three O/Levels and applies themselves at university should be able to make a good degree. However, the opportunity to study is restricted, justified, qualified by the minimum requisite qualifications and JAMB score. People by pass all that in numerous ways and still graduate , is it RIGHT or JUSTIFIABLE ![]() ![]() ![]() In the same way you do not have to be the best just good enough. So if given an undeserving opportunity to come to the SE you may still perform, IS IT RIGHT OR JUSTIFIABLE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() My prejudiced, biased and sentiment view as some have called it, is that your club top rated consistent performances balanced by the league you play in are the basis for a SE CALL UP and recognition for outstanding achievement. These attributes are usually open and there for all to see, the examples of the teenagers KC, Mbappe, Dembele, etc come to mind. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 2:40pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
MetalJigsaw:I am saying they put a spin on the news. Show me in the article where he said he deserves a place in Rohr's World Cup team I deserve a place in Rohr's World Cup team is not the same as saying 'I think I left a good impression, it would be nice that I play in Russia next year' If you write an exam and you come out saying you deserve to pass that connotes you having a sense of entitlement. But if you say you feel you have done well and that it would be nice if you pass that's expressing hope. In any case the young man is still under probation. 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Petrobros: 2:45pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: I tell you again: you will do your self good by purging ur heart of Nepotism. I am not Igbo, so don't think I am on a solidarity mission. Icon4s said something: that he cares less about comments that are not meaningful or something like that. Have you not noticed he has stopped engaging in discussions with you? I don't comment much here but I do plenty of observations. I too have personally stopped reading most of your comments. Until you change your approach. 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 2:45pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
komekn:I was careful to make that accusation. Infact I have defended him against those who before now accused him of tribal bigotry. However after reading his comments this morning I had the impression that he was looking at things through ethnic prism hence my accusation. He's come out to say that is not how he looks at things and I have withdrawn my accusation. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 2:46pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: You know my major problem with you? You come out too strongly when making a case for players you like. You throw strong words like : Tribalism, Bribery, corruption, Moi Moi league, Nepotism, Bigotry, "this player is better than everyone in the present team" When you bring up these accusations, you imply that all the players in the team are not good enough, and are only there as a result of corruption, it's only human psychology that people would spring up defensively against such strong accusations and by the end of the day the players you make cases for end up being hated. Who has ever said anything bad about Ajagun? In fact, I say this on behalf of everybody here, No one on this thread hate Martins, he's everyone's favorite. Most of us on this thread pushed for the inclusion of Kayode in the team, What about Raheem Lawal, people love the way he plays, you've started to make people hate these players we once loved. In the past, someone on this thread said they hated you, not quite long ago, another threatened to behead you, just because you come out too strong. If I were you, I'd be watching my back. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Petrobros: 2:48pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
junnyjake: This is comment will definitely pass for the thumbs down of the week |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enigmaticmotik(m): 2:53pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
OMANBALA1: I like that your dream, it looks promising |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 2:53pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
junnyjake: Como estas Amigo I couldn't but help laughing about your experience in Miami. I got lost in Miami and found myself in Liberty city in my shiny new rental car, realized i was going to get mugged and not with a cutlass but a .9mm . Decided using Queens English would be a re flag to a bull, or Warr pidgin no go work here. I jumped out the car and called to the first'G' , " Yo dreader, whappen, step across a me wan callin u" I speak fluent patwa and so they though i was one of the numerous Rude bwoy bout d place, and i escaped. I speak Igbo, Uhrobo/Isoko and some basic Yoruba, i am de tribalised too. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EmmGee: 2:56pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Barcelona do homework on Everton loanee Henry Onyekuru ![]() FC Barcelona sent scouts to observe Nigerian star Henry Onyekuru, who on Saturday scored his seventh goal this season for Anderlecht. Clubs lining up for Onyekuru According to CompleteSportsNigeria, apart from Barcelona, clubs including Manchester United, Tottenham, Ajax, Fiorentina, PSV, Southampton and Stoke City are also believed to have sent scouts to see the player in action. A report in 90minutesgoal.com claims that Tottenham are interested in the striker as a potential replacement for Harry Kane. "Yes, Tottenham are watching proceedings and have made contact with Him (Henry Onyekuru) about a potential move, they see him as the next big thing and a good replacement for Harry Kane who they feel might join Madrid next summer,” a Spurs source told 90MinutesGoal.com. In June, Onyekuru made his international debut for Nigeria in a 3-0 friendly win over Togo. He was also featured in the Super Eagles’ 2018 World Cup qualifier against Algeria earlier this month which ended in a 1-1 draw. https://en.as.com/en/2017/11/20/football/1511218126_629036.html 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 2:56pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Petrobros: have to agree 100% |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 3:01pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Tbaba1234, Joebie and Mujtahida, u guys disappointed me today. Men of ur class shouldn't stoop so low to exchange words with kids in here. A man of repute doesn't engage a man of no substance or value in a fight bkus it will amount to bringing himself to disrepute to the glory of the destitute he engaged. The best way to treat a lunatic is; totally ignore him whenever he is acting funny. We know the men here and we also know the kids amongst us, yes we don't segregate but when one makes himself a black sheep, u treat him like one, by acting like he doesn't exist. Don't give credence to their preposterous and puerile posts that reeks of tribalism and insensitivity. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 3:02pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Icon4s: I honestly don't think he's a tribal bigot but what I think is he enjoys taunting people with ridiculous comments. It really is just a hobby for him. I might be wrong though. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 3:04pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Jo.ebie: 1. Bonaventure - Moved from Ukraine to Belgium and he hit the ground running straight up. I hope he picks up from where he stopped after coming back from injury. 2. Francis Uzoho - Being the youngest foreign GK to feature in the LaLiga simply means he had a positive impression on his handlers. Impressing also on his NT debut. 3.Orji Okonkwo - As a foreign teenager, making your way from the B - team to the 1st team is no easy feat, scoring 2 goals in the process too. Worth applauding. 4. Bright Enobakhare - He's been doing fine for Wolves presently, scoring goals, so he deserves a place in the list. 5.Chidiera ejike - This young man, if he continues with his present form, he won't last long in Norway, the kind of goals end scores as a midfielder tells you about him quality. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 3:04pm On Nov 21, 2017 |
Joebie: Gbam you deserve a big calabash of palmi!!!!!! |
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