lordfalcao:
you can shift your narrative to suit you, that's None of my business. I am mentioning strikers whose goals gave their team good points that edged them to win the league. You guys mentioned lukaku, according to stats lukaku goals only gave Everton 6 crucial points.

Troy deeney, benteke Joshua king scored lesser goals than lukaku. but their little goals won more crucial point for their teams more than lukaku's high Number yet it doesn't mean they are better strikers. Costa lesser goals won more points to Chelsea to win the league ahead of harry Kane, lukaku ND co high numbers yet it doesn't mean lukaku is a better striker to Costa.

Then why are you bringing up this bolded part of your input in this discussion when nobody mentioned it??

The same way u and ur friend shifted the narrative and brought up points won to suit ur argument when u noticed u cant win the Lukaku-Morata debate based on goals scored.

Goals scored is the only metric we recognise on this forum coz even the FA rewards the best strikers in the league with the golden ball based on their total number of goals scored. So u can limit ur "total points won" punditry to the beer parlour coz it wont fly here.


Meanwhile, Icardi scored another brace on the weekend. 13 goals now. While Lacazette had another CS and is still stuck on 6 goals.
All these Ls wey u just dey pack so..

Lana1:
The same way u and ur friend shifted the narrative and brought up points won to suit ur argument when u noticed u cant win the Lukaku-Morata debate based on goals scored.

Goals scored is the only metric we recognise on this forum coz even the FA rewards the best strikers in the league with the golden ball based on their total number of goals scored. So u can limit ur "total points won" punditry to the beer parlour coz it wont fly here.


Meanwhile, Icardi scored another brace on the weekend. 13 goals now. While Lacazette had another CS and is still stuck on 6 goals.
All these Ls wey u just dey pack so..

you did not make sense. When I mentioned morata been better than lukaku this was what I pointed out.


Take it or leave it morata is a far more intelligent, experienced, more technically gifted and all round striker than Lukaku. Morata has gone to two good leagues and not only doing well but contributing to these club success when he was there

airmark:


Ode, so what party was going on when you mentioned me today? Instead of using knife to make your tribal marks, they should have buried UTC axe in your cheek.

Mumu. What party was going on when you mentioned here..

airmark:

The mexicans followed the words of lana1 and still failed

Or when you were dragging dopejemi into an argument wey no consign am yesterday??


U sabi disturb person but when they start disturbing u back, u go dey cry of how "they are stupídly mentioning you". Typical airhead....olori apoti

raumdeuter:

Yes he is. He is Liverpool and Liverpool have a lot of following in the league among analysts, coaches who do the votes.

Any small thing you do in Liverpool will get you English press recognition quickly, thats how Jordan henderson became national team captain

Really! Ok like when Rooney and Cahill became captains it was popularity, fine.

Back to performance and recognition.

So are you of the opinion Mane did not deserve it, I mean if it were by popularity and it had to be a liverpool player why not Coutinho?

lordfalcao:
you did not make sense. When I mentioned morata been better than lukaku this was what I pointed out.


Take it or leave it morata is a far more intelligent, experienced, more technically gifted and all round striker than Lukaku. Morata has gone to two good leagues and not only doing well but contributing to these club success when he was there

Lmao. Keep feeding urself all this zobo if it makes u sleep well a night. It is easy to do well when all u do is sit on the bench of teams that know how to dominate their leagues and UCL. We'll all be alive to see how well he ll contribute to Chelsea's success by May.

Let Morata go to West Brom or Everton and lets see how well he can contribute to those teams success.

BlueAngel444:
Really! Ok like when Rooney and Cahill became captains it was popularity, fine.
Back to performance and recognition.
So are you of the opinion Mane did not deserve it, I mean if it were by popularity and it had to be a liverpool player why not Coutinho?

Mane missed several weeks due to injury and Nations cup. While Alexis was delivering week in week out. Cahill became captain by seniority and Terry na by popularity

At the time POTY was voted in March April, Mane was Liverpools best player aead of Coutinho. Coutinho had 13 goals last season same as Mane but we have to note Mane was out injured for the last 2 months of last season and Coutinho scored 7 goals in the last 2 months of the season

So at the time POTY was voted Mane had 13 goals Coutinho had 7. Now tell me who should have been chosen at liverpool

Lana1:
Mumu. What party was going on when you mentioned here..

Or when you were dragging dopejemi into an argument wey no consign am yesterday??


U sabi disturb person but when they start disturbing u back, u go dey cry of how "they are stupídly mentioning you". Typical airhead....olori apoti

Don't mention my moniker to spread falsehood. That's the point your brain cant process.

Okola ole omo ibadan.

raumdeuter:


You obviously have a lot to learn about football. Morata doesnt have the brute strenght to bully defenders and score out of nothing situation like Costa but what he has is the intelligence to link up and bring his other attackers into play, like the second goal last weekend.

COsta instead of that flick to Hazard, might control the ball and engage the defender.

In a brawl! He might not even control the ball.

End up in a foul, won't say yellow card cause Costa wasn't that careless and silly 'usually' .

Anyway Morata doesn't need brute strength to have the stamina to knock off defenders, e.g Messi, Hazard. even Kane doesn't have brute strength, and probably neither does Huigan or Lewandoski.

Not debating what Morata can do but you you say he can't do.

Check some of Morata's goals, esp those that curve in. Stop saying he doesn't have the ability you make it sound like Costa did it regularly.

Lana1:
Lmao. Keep feeding urself all this zobo if it makes u sleep well a night. It is easy to do well when all u do is sit on the bench of teams that know how to dominate their leagues and UCL. We'll all be alive to see how well he ll contribute to Chelsea's success by May.

Let Morata go to West Brom or Everton and lets see how well he can contribute to those teams success.

not everybody was privileged to seat on the bench in their youthful age in football, even lukaku couldn't sit on the bench in a prestigious club like Chelsea

raumdeuter:


Yes I did watch him both in Bremen and Wolfsburg

Ok cool



(thank God atleast some understand simple question unlike that monkey was reacting earlier forming Chimp)

BlueAngel444:
In a brawl! He might not even control the ball.
End up in a foul, won't say yellow card cause Costa wasn't that careless and silly 'usually' .
Anyway Morata doesn't need brute strength to have the stamina to knock off defenders, e.g Messi, Hazard. even Kane doesn't have brute strength, and probably neither does Huigan or Lewandoski.
Not debating what Morata can do but you you say he can't do.
Check some of Morata's goals, esp those that curve in. Stop saying he doesn't have the ability you make it sound like Costa did it regularly.

There are some things you can do with Costa as your striker that you cant do with Morata as your striker

With Costa he can be the only man upfront battling with 2 defenders strenght for strenght and win, Morata will never win in such situation and he will be bullied

With Morata he can play linkup and quick interchange of passes with other attackers that will make them score more which Csta might not be able to do

Which was why I always stated, If Chelsea wanted to do their usual pattern of sending long ball to striker and hope he battles defenders like Drogba then they have to go beg Costa back

But if they get Morata, he wont be a Costa 1 for 1 replacement but he will bring other things into the game so that if other attackers like Hazard are sharp and delivering the team will benefit more

raumdeuter:


And Benzema prove himself in the CL as well. He is the 3rd all time top scorer that is still active tell us about the failed player called Hidden Hazard

Pls don't drift off point. Your bases for comparism is flawed. You can compare Benzema to Huigan, Costa etc. or even Lewandoski and Aguero.

As a Madrid fan I know Benzema's accomplishments and how unfair your comparisms are to spite and ridicule Hazard and as a Chelsea fan I tell you this Hazard as only played as an AM till this season unlike Benzema that is a striker.

raumdeuter:


Mane missed several weeks due to injury and Nations cup. While Alexis was delivering week in week out. Cahill became captain by seniority and Terry na by popularity

At the time POTY was voted in March April, Mane was Liverpools best player aead of Coutinho. Coutinho had 13 goals last season same as Mane but we have to note Mane was out injured for the last 2 months of last season and Coutinho scored 7 goals in the last 2 months of the season

So at the time POTY was voted Mane had 13 goals Coutinho had 7. Now tell me who should have been chosen at liverpool

So it's not by popularity but by performance and also not by stats. Therefore Mane's performance had more impact to his team's more than Sanchez or Coutinho.

Probably why Kante won EPL POTY and Cannavaro won FIFA POTY.

raumdeuter:


Lets see their production in the CL not in the local competition

Let's say a 100 career goals in europe makes an attacker(7,10,11) world class.

In 2007 Madrid bought Robben for 35m while Ribery was valued for 30m. Now Robben is a forward and has played as a s./striker while Ribery is an AM mostly on the left like Hazard. Ribery has been considerd beta than Robben (who in my opinion is 3rd best RWF after Bale & Messi).

In 2009 when Ribery was 26yrs Hoeneb said he wasn't worth 65m but 100m. Ribery then had just 57 career gls (144gls now) compared to Hazard 26yr 120+ career gls even among great forwards that's impressive.

Sanchez @26; 110gls
Bale @26; 100gls
Greizmann @26; 130gls even Neymar and C.Ronaldo scored 100+gls in europe before world record moves.

How abt Robben @26; 90gls

If Hazard was hidden for a season where was Robben & Ribery from 2010-2012 for 2 seasons 2 'world class' players?

BlueAngel444:

Pls don't drift off point. Your bases for comparism is flawed. You can compare Benzema to Huigan, Costa etc. or even Lewandoski and Aguero.

As a Madrid fan I know Benzema's accomplishments and how unfair your comparisms are to spite and ridicule Hazard and as a Chelsea fan I tell you this Hazard as only played as an AM till this season unlike Benzema that is a striker.

Hazard played as an attacker last season. And he has been a winger for most of his life, can you compare his output with those of other wingers in the CL

BlueAngel444:

So it's not by popularity but by performance and also not by stats. Therefore Mane's performance had more impact to his team's more than Sanchez or Coutinho.
Probably why Kante won EPL POTY and Cannavaro won FIFA POTY.

Its still a popularity contest and that doesnt mean they sometimes dont get it right. There were times Messi or Ronaldo were voed the best players in the world and they deserved it and there are some times maybe other players deserved it more

Its what you do on the field that matters not what you do on ballot boxes

BlueAngel444:
Let's say a 100 career goals in europe makes an attacker(7,10,11) world class.

In 2007 Madrid bought Robben for 35m while Ribery was valued for 30m. Now Robben is a forward and has played as a s./striker while Ribery is an AM mostly on the left like Hazard. Ribery has been considerd beta than Robben (who in my opinion is 3rd best RWF after Bale & Messi).

In 2009 when Ribery was 26yrs Hoeneb said he wasn't worth 65m but 100m. Ribery then had just 57 career gls (144gls now) compared to Hazard 26yr 120+ career gls even among great forwards that's impressive.

Sanchez @26; 110gls
Bale @26; 100gls
Greizmann @26; 130gls even Neymar and C.Ronaldo scored 100+gls in europe before world record moves.

How abt Robben @26; 90gls

If Hazard was hidden for a season where was Robben & Ribery from 2010-2012 for 2 seasons 2 'world class' players?

It doesnt matter what you do at 26 or what you do at 28. Some players started early in their careers and some are late bloomers

Suarez and Mikel are the same age when they were both 19 no one heard of Suarez but Mikel was well known. So because Mikel was better at 21 does not mean a thing

Ribery led his team to the CL success he had an assist in the final, Robben ledd his team to CL success, world cup final and 3rd place. What has Hidden done in his entire career

raumdeuter:


It doesnt matter what you do at 26 or what you do at 28. Some players started early in their careers and some are late bloomers

Suarez and Mikel are the same age when they were both 19 no one heard of Suarez but Mikel was well known. So because Mikel was better at 21 does not mean a thing

Ribery led his team to the CL success he had an assist in the final, Robben ledd his team to CL success, world cup final and 3rd place. What has Hidden done in his entire career

Who is Hidden ? When did the guy stop playing football?

raumdeuter:


Its still a popularity contest and that doesnt mean they sometimes dont get it right. There were times Messi or Ronaldo were voed the best players in the world and they deserved it and there are some times maybe other players deserved it more

Its what you do on the field that matters not what you do on ballot boxes

If it's the field that matters, then why then do you fail to openly admit your recognition for Hazard's achievement, it's not pride is it to admit when your wrong?

BlueAngel444:
Who is Hidden ? When did the guy stop playing football?

Hidden Hazard. Is that not his full name

His career till date what has he done in any major final on the big stage

BlueAngel444:
If it's the field that matters, then why then do you fail to openly admit your recognition for Hazard's achievement, it's not pride is it to admit when your wrong?

What are these performance on the field? This is Hidden 6th season of playing CL football, he has 4 goals from open play right?

raumdeuter:


Hazard played as an attacker last season. And he has been a winger for most of his life, can you compare his output with those of other wingers in the CL

Mou played 4-2-3-1, 3 AM i.e LAM, CAM & RAM Hazard was LAM for 3 years, as you said last season under Conte 3-4-2-1 Costa still a lone striker with 2 AMs who drop deep pick the ball, drive forward etc.. Is just this season Hazard started consistently playing as an SS. Even in lille belgium LM, 10, midfield but hardly ever a forward.

Shiiiiiiiii......... Liverpool this weekend

BlueAngel444:

Mou played 4-2-3-1, 3 AM i.e LAM, CAM & RAM Hazard was LAM for 3 years, as you said last season under Conte 3-4-2-1 Costa still a lone striker with 2 AMs who drop deep pick the ball, drive forward etc.. Is just this season Hazard started consistently playing as an SS. Even in lille belgium LM, 10, midfield but hardly ever a forward.

Last season Conte played 3-4-3 and Hidden was one of the 3 attackers, the 2 AM were not dropping deep to bring any ball they were relieved of most defensive duties. in 4231 he was one of 2 wingers

raumdeuter:


What are these performance on the field? This is Hidden 6th season of playing CL football, he has 4 goals from open play right?

So?

raumdeuter:


Hidden Hazard. Is that not his full name

His career till date what has he done in any major final on the big stage

Lewandoski, 29, 300gls peak of his career what has he done in any major final on the big stage ( Europe or World) @least like Ibrahimovic Hazard has won the Europa league.

raumdeuter:


Last season Conte played 3-4-3 and Hidden was one of the 3 attackers, the 2 AM were not dropping deep to bring any ball they were relieved of most defensive duties. in 4231 he was one of 2 wingers

Wingers play a front 3 i.e 3 forwards, LWF CF & RWF. Instead of saying left wing forward we say winger.

airmark:
What do you guys think about the present 3-5-2 formation? Will it work long term, especially as we enter december?

Iya l'e maa fi je.

Walaitalai mo f'Olorun s'eleri

diggz:
Shiiiiiiiii......... Liverpool this weekend

It's anyone's game, to be candid. I expect Mane and Salah to terrorize Cristensen and others but anything can happen.

Leyqute:


It's anyone's game, to be candid. I expect Mane and Salah to terrorize Cristensen and others but anything can happen.

Omo...their ishan go strong well well against us but I am hopeful. My God will put CaptalCee to shame for me

BlueAngel444:
Lewandoski, 29, 300gls peak of his career what has he done in any major final on the big stage ( Europe or World) @least like Ibrahimovic Hazard has won the Europa league.

Lewandoski carried Dortmund into a CL final, In a crucual semi final game, he scored 4 goals vs Real Madrid

Now tell us about Hidden Hazard

BlueAngel444:
Wingers play a front 3 i.e 3 forwards, LWF CF & RWF. Instead of saying left wing forward we say winger.

SO Hazard was a forward and a very unproductive one