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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 10:35pm On Nov 21, 2017
forgiveness:


You well? grin

As well as you are sire!!!!!!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:36pm On Nov 21, 2017
forgiveness:


You well? grin
Hahahaha hahahaha forgiveness my man. So na now your eye clear after dem don terrorise you finish. See what you have been doing since

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 10:37pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:
I hope this Akpoguma is quality cos this one wey he can't make even the fourth German squad so. Someone here has hammered on the bolded. It's this guy that I doubt his post WC commitment to the Gwg if he makes it to Russia. Owngoalnigeria.com as usual. You guys know the drill.


GERMAN JOURNALIST – WHY GERMANY DON'T NEED ROHR’S TARGET AKPOGUMA
German journalist Roland Mark has taken a swipe at Hoffenheim defender Kevin Akpoguma who turning down the chance to switch allegiance to Nigeria and possibly go to the World Cup in Russia next year .
According to coach of the senior national team of Nigeria Gernot Rohr talks are supposed to be held with the 22 year old soon as he views him as a player who can improve the defence of the team.
Mark who covers the Bundesliga however disagrees with Akpoguma’s stand regarding his reasons for snubbing Nigeria is because he feels he stands a chance to play for Germany.
It’s scary how some players think they can have a future at a team that doesn’t even know if they exist at all. I think Akpoguma is trying to get Germany to notice him by turning down Nigeria" Mark told Owngoalnigeria.com.
” This is the first time he is having a taste of the Bundesliga, and he is already 22. In the Germany national team there are about 8 players ahead of him, and a further 7 waiting in the wings. Among them he is by far the oldest among all and the least rated.
” If not for injuries he wouldn’t have been in the team of Hoffeinheim. Credit to him he has taken the chance to make an impression but in just few games, and one of the games was the one Rohr watched.
” He has to reconsider and play for Nigeria, that is his surest way of going to the World Cup. He need to take a cue from Leon Balogun who is now considered by some in Germany as one who got away from them, thanks to his display for Nigeria “.
Osas Mahawi

November 21, 2017
source: owngoalnigeria.com


I have posted it before but for reminders just take a look at the squad depth of Germany.




@Your first paragraph, that's just it...
Are these foreign born players ready to commit to the super eagles after the world cup?? Will they honour invitations for AFCON qualifiers and friendlies?

Or are they trying to do a Kevin Prince Boateng on us??

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mank1234(m): 10:38pm On Nov 21, 2017
Taliban:

Abeg o don't put me in trouble o. Doing that to Forgiveness is an unforgivable sin, please ehn grin.

I just love this thread. No name callings. Everyone is pure at heart. Football is the common goal.

Meanwhile, I just watched Okocha's testimonial match and the guy was doing wonders. Methink we look in his direction to fortify the midfield. He can come in for Mikel at least in matches that we are leading 5:0 at the world cup.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by soetanoreoluwa(m): 10:39pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:

So na now your eye clear after dem don terrorise you finish. See what you have been doing since

Just dey laugh out aloud here... No be only him fall for that thingoo.. Another person also fall for it...

Good way to learn...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 10:40pm On Nov 21, 2017
tbaba1234:
Sarcasm in this thread today, you know yourselves...

But two people have perpetually been on a lot of people's nerves to be honest!!!!!.

I just had some time on my hands today. At least we can confirm that one of them has dropped the mercurial Ajagun from the world cup squad and even Raheem Lawal, Ryan Sanusi and Dominic Iorfa too. We can hopefully have some more discourse apart from certain players.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 10:41pm On Nov 21, 2017
Daejoyoung:

l don't think it's nepotism neither do l think forgiveness is tribalistic(not enough evidence for me to suggest he is). l only think he is just too fixated on so many strange players, especially the foreign born players.
Abeg make una free forgiveness my guy, the Ajagun master.


Hahaha, I was once in his corner, bit I've positioned myself centrally at the moment. As time goes by you'd be convinced beyond reasonable doubt.


Despite all, I haven't accused him of nada though.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:44pm On Nov 21, 2017
Danielnino00:




@Your first paragraph, that's just it...
Are these foreign born players ready to commit to the super eagles after the world cup?? Will they honour invitations for AFCON qualifiers and friendlies?

Or are they trying to do a Kevin Prince Boateng on us??
I have doubts about this guy ooo. We have to be careful. Not that he'd come and take the place of Omeruo for example and after the show is over he'd say bye bye to us. No ooo. Let him better stay in his German one corner.

I don't know the gist about Boateng oo. He went to the world cup in Brazil as a member of Ghana's squad.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 10:45pm On Nov 21, 2017
forgiveness:


Oga, Siasia team beat Argentina 4-1
ok,yes but that was a weak Argentine team without Messi, Zabratta was d only first team squad unlike d team that lost to Rohr.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:46pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:

So na now your eye clear after dem don terrorise you finish. See what you have been doing since

I know but I just wan play small.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:48pm On Nov 21, 2017
Napoleon55:
ok,yes but that was a weak Argentine team without Messi, Zabratta was d only first team squad unlike d team that lost to Rohr.

So, was there Messi? Anyway. Argentina na Argentina.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 10:48pm On Nov 21, 2017
soetanoreoluwa:


That's the problem we didn't watch the match... And penalty was awarded cos of him...

Let juxtapose something
First Remember how Agu came to play.. With some mistakes he used it against CMR first leg, and second leg again... Then finally against Zambia whereas Ogu was on bench...

Definitely Ogu was performing very in training but he never get looked but prefer someone with "trait" he prefer to keep getting a playing time...

Until injury set in.. Ogu chance came in and he was spectacular...

Now to ebuechi performing well in training given a chance then let assume now it seems doesn't like what he sees he dropped it... If you can remember he was also in standby team when Aina was invited... He's sold on him he won't push him so much...

Same things happen to Henry and Larrykay... They don't have what he want and maybe there is a need for them to change their style of play to suit the coach...

Agbo too thesame..
We just need to see this player with playing time...

Remember he didn't blink twice before throwing in Aina... Two consecutively...



We saw the highlights... That was never a penalty. There was no indication that he did not play well otherwise.

You make some valid points.

One of the reasons, i believe we have not seen Ebuehi before is the form of Shehu and the nature of Gernot Rohr. Rohr does not just make changes, his changes are very gradual.

Aina was only introduced when Elderson got injured. He started against Algeria when Elderson was out. Now, Aina has been given a chance to make a case for himself on the left. Ebuehi has also been given a chance to make his case on the right. We will see more of them in friendlies.

Esiti was invited against Zambia and played for a few minutes. The coach has not invited him again. He appears to have made the decision that he is not the kind of player, he wants.

You have to be ready to gradually win your place in the team and show that you are better than what is available when you get the chance.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:49pm On Nov 21, 2017
forgiveness:


I know but I just wan play small.
Yinmu. So how the play go?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 10:52pm On Nov 21, 2017
Taliban:


East or west na the same. Major thing is they were exceptional reps from your place. You are now denying them because of performance abi?

grin grin grin

You must claim them by force!!!!


Na wa o. Reading your comments, and I've been laughing like a lunatic since morning.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Napoleon55(m): 10:55pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:
I hope this Akpoguma is quality cos this one wey he can't make even the fourth German squad so. Someone here has hammered on the bolded. It's this guy that I doubt his post WC commitment to the Gwg if he makes it to Russia. Owngoalnigeria.com as usual. You guys know the drill.


GERMAN JOURNALIST – WHY GERMANY DON'T NEED ROHR’S TARGET AKPOGUMA
German journalist Roland Mark has taken a swipe at Hoffenheim defender Kevin Akpoguma who turning down the chance to switch allegiance to Nigeria and possibly go to the World Cup in Russia next year .
According to coach of the senior national team of Nigeria Gernot Rohr talks are supposed to be held with the 22 year old soon as he views him as a player who can improve the defence of the team.
Mark who covers the Bundesliga however disagrees with Akpoguma’s stand regarding his reasons for snubbing Nigeria is because he feels he stands a chance to play for Germany.
It’s scary how some players think they can have a future at a team that doesn’t even know if they exist at all. I think Akpoguma is trying to get Germany to notice him by turning down Nigeria" Mark told Owngoalnigeria.com.
” This is the first time he is having a taste of the Bundesliga, and he is already 22. In the Germany national team there are about 8 players ahead of him, and a further 7 waiting in the wings. Among them he is by far the oldest among all and the least rated.
” If not for injuries he wouldn’t have been in the team of Hoffeinheim. Credit to him he has taken the chance to make an impression but in just few games, and one of the games was the one Rohr watched.
” He has to reconsider and play for Nigeria, that is his surest way of going to the World Cup. He need to take a cue from Leon Balogun who is now considered by some in Germany as one who got away from them, thanks to his display for Nigeria “.
Osas Mahawi

November 21, 2017
source: owngoalnigeria.com


I have posted it before but for reminders just take a look at the squad depth of Germany.

at the end of the day,they will only feature 11 players at a time,just like the French team.
having to many players confusion,it's better u have just 14 very good players than to have 50 good players at the same time,because it will lead to too many changes of players at any slight mistake.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:02pm On Nov 21, 2017
terzurum5:
Where is the goal?
I no get o. Abeg, tbaba12345, you fit help us?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 11:05pm On Nov 21, 2017
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 11:06pm On Nov 21, 2017
tbaba1234:


We saw the highlights... That was never a penalty. There was no indication that he did not play well otherwise.

You make some valid points.

One of the reasons, i believe we have not seen Ebuehi before is the form of Shehu and the nature of Gernot Rohr. Rohr does not just make changes, his changes are very gradual.

Aina was only introduced when Elderson got injured. He started against Algeria when Elderson was out. Now, Aina has been given a chance to make a case for himself on the left. Ebuehi has also been given a chance to make his case on the right. We will see more of them in friendlies.

Esiti was invited against Zambia and played for a few minutes. The coach has not invited him again. He appears to have made the decision that he is not the kind of player, he wants.

You have to be ready to gradually win your place in the team and show that you are better than what is available when you get the chance.



Against Corsica Ebuehi handled the ball in the box and a penalty was awarded. That was how Corsica scored their first goal.

I read on Twitter(one of this NFF guys, can't remember who now) that the reason why Ebuehi had not played since was because he was educated the Dutch way which places less emphasis on physicality and that he was still getting used to African football.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:08pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:

But both Moses and Musa play predominantly on the right for us not left. Victor Moses plays as a LWF not Moses or Musa even though they switch wings but Vicmo is our designated LWF.

How many times did vicmo start at the left wing to label him the designated LWB?

Even in the few games vicmo started as a left winger or wing back he was more efficient than Simon ever was. Yes we scored more goals through the RW, did u notice that most of those goals scored through the right wing almost has Victor Moses written over them. When Simon comes to the right our attack swings to the left in search of vicmo or a few times Iwobi. The few goals we scored via the left wing were largely shared between Iwobi and Vicmo, starting from the game against Zambia.

Our first goal against Zambia in Ndola came from iwobi via the left wing, second came through the middle and Simon was on the right Dat day without any effective cross neither did he register any shot on target.

Algeria first leg, first goal came through the left when vicmo switched from the right to the left where mandi was the major culprit. D second goal came through the middle by Mikel before vicmo completed his brace. Simon didn't play this match though.

Cameroun in uyo ; Simon started on the right and vicmo on the left. D first goal came from the middle via mikel, d second goal was a corner with ighalo and mikel at d center of it again (remember the dummy from ighalo), the third goal has vicmo written all over it bkus he skinned a Cameroonian, ran with d ball before laying a pass to Simon whose only contribution was to square d ball back to the orchestrator (vicmo) to riffle in. The fourth goal came through the right via Onazi instead of Simon who started from the right wing that evening.

Cameroun in Yaounde ; the raw materials for our only goal were sourced and processed on the right. Via ighalo, the ball went to the right for Simon to finish off.

Against Algeria in Constantine we all saw how impotent we were until Simon was subbed off for Iwobi to change the game and send us to Russia.

I'm summary, Simon ain't a goal threat and whenever he is on the pitch, that edge (side) of our attack automatically becomes blunt. When he starts from the right, we don't score through the right until he switches with vicmo and vice versa. Whenever Simon plays, Vicmo is always the only attacking outlet we have on the wings (both right and left). It is either vicmo switches to produce something from Simon's wing (right or left), and back to his primary wing to continue from where he left off, or we focus on the middle every game because dude (simon) is so ineffectual going forward. Imagine throughout the qualifiers, Simon contributed only two goals(a goal and an aasist), which were even served to him on a platter while vicmo who had less minutes contributed more. Play Onyekuru who is equally an attacking outlet(a goal threat) like vicmo from either of the wings, especially, the left wing to ease the burden of goal-getting on vicmo and u will see us firing on all fronts abi cylinders.


That said, Echiejile also hasn't been helping matters.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 11:11pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:

Against Corsica Ebuehi handled the ball in the box and a penalty was awarded. That was how Corsica scored their first goal.

I read on Twitter(one of this NFF guys, can't remember who now) that the reason why Ebuehi had not played since was because he was educated the Dutch way which places less emphasis on physicality and that he was still getting used to African football.

It was not a penalty... It was an incredibly soft call.. His hands were by his sides, almost at his back. The ball met his hand. He did not handle the ball


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjqqIUpXhM

Anyway, Learning African football could also be a reason.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:14pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:

Pray tell what are your facts and figures for saying Ebuehi will not perform well as a LWB?
what he did against Argentina we see him do everytime in training both on the right and left side of defence... Great player- Toyin Ibitoye

I will not take anything to the bank until it happens.

What happened to Aguero wasn't strange. He has the history and he was taken to the hospital as a precaution. Nothing to detract from the performance of the Argentines. They themselves have not given that excuse. Don't give it for them.

That Aina is the best, I won't argue. Na the one wey person see him dey talk. So it remains to be seen.
But peeps try to make it look like it's Aina against Ebuehi and Shehu or Ebuehi against Shehu and Aina. I don't see it that way. I am anxious for Shehu to be the best, for Ebuehi to be the best and for Aina to be the best.

On Idowu I have my doubts but I hope you saw that he was already in the box when Iwobi scored the equalising goal and he was there to pick on the ball from Nacho to score. The truth is our team play is tilted more to the right. Read solace chukwu on medium @oddsolace
"You may have noticed that much of our play comes down the right side of the attack. I make it 8 of our 12 goals were a result of build-up/a passage of play from that flank. That is a staggering percentage. Two have come down the middle, two from the left (one of those a corner)."
There isnt much play on the left side of our play. Against argentina not much interplay happened on left as compared to right. But there was a time an argentine was fouled and mikel was turning and turning . I noticed that idowu had already opened up a bit close to the centre line but nothing came of it cos foul had been given.
Thats why a LMF like Joel obi is needed to balance our play.

On the whole while i have my reservations i am still giving all players the benefit of doubt. I sure they are more eager to perform more than most of us even expect.

The Argentines tried attacking from the left, and when they couldn't seem to get past Brian, they switch to Ebuehi, he wasn't giving them free passage as well.

When they were dispossessed, we start from the right, so I can understand if Idowu wasn't much of an attacking threat.

Hopefully, we'd see more of him, then make a final judgement.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:21pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:

From the Spanish team that played the final in Nigeria 99 how many became world beaters apart from Xavi and Casillas? What of the German u17 team that produced Kroos, how many have become established stars?
Just you wait let's see how many out of England's u17 and u20 winning team members go on to become established stars.
My point is it is not peculiar to Nigeria.

There are two distinct and seperate issues here


First, the comparison of the current set of SE players with pre- millennium teams that had players playing in the creme de La creme of the top clubs in Europe.

The second issue is progression. Most of our boys are playing in the backwaters of Europe and are not stand out players in thier leagues.

You have completely changed the goal post . The question is not best players in the world which arguably Casillas and Xavi could be described as. But progression to playing regularly in the the top leagues and top teams in Europe and or the world.

The Spanish players have an overwhelming majority who play in La Liga and top teams.

For instance Omeruo is playing in the back yard of Europe in Turkey. His peers are Neymar and Coutinho who didn't win anything at U17 level when they played in Nigeria.

Let's look at the German team of 2009 that produced the Barcelona goalkeeper Marc Andre , Mario Gotz, Mustafi (Arsenal) over 75% of them have played in the Bundesliga and over 50 currently play in the Bundesliga. That is progression.

Consider the entire 2009 team how many are playing regular top flight football in a top 5 league in Europe.

Why are we not progressing I remember all the accolades Rabui Ibrahim had. He was classed as one of the 10 best teenage footballers in the world. where is he now

This means there is a disconnect in our youth progression beyond the youth or age grade competition football. WHY

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:26pm On Nov 21, 2017
soetanoreoluwa:


Don't think Etuhu is active again... Check out Yak! Still very reliable


No, Bro.

Bring him to camp. He has no business retiring, if he has this much to offer to the team. He must be invited.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:27pm On Nov 21, 2017
Well yes and no, as wingers usually switch positions these days. That's the beauty of dynamism.
So yes wingers cut in as well, and they also cross.

MetalJigsaw:
Take note bro, Iheanacho playing from the right flank is actually the appropriate position for him, as he's left footed.

A left footed winger plays from the right while a right footed winger plays from the left.

But for Fullbacks and Wingbacks the reverse is appropriately the case.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:33pm On Nov 21, 2017
forgiveness:


Now somebody is talk. Your second and third paragraph are spot on and this is what I have been talking since time immemorial. Thumbs up. grin


I'm glad, we can at least agree on stuffs like this. gringrin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:34pm On Nov 21, 2017
Mujtahida:

I have doubts about this guy ooo. We have to be careful. Not that he'd come and take the place of Omeruo for example and after the show is over he'd say bye bye to us. No ooo. Let him better stay in his German one corner.

I don't know the gist about Boateng oo. He went to the world cup in Brazil as a member of Ghana's squad.



Prior to the 2010 WC,he and his brother Jerome were waiting for Germany call up.. but Germany picked his brother over him so he accepted Ghana invitation... After that world cup he retired...and then came out of retirement after Ghana qualified for the 2014 world cup... He was among the players that got into a fight with their coach in Brazil and he was sacked from the team(sort of).

The guy never participated in any AFCON qualifier or tournament. He was more interested in shining at the world biggest sport tournament..

I don't want these foreign born players to give us that kind of treatment....


***Modified**

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:37pm On Nov 21, 2017
Yes, Victor Moses and Simon usually switch positions during matches. This can also confuse the opponent. Yes Iwobi is good with both feet as well.

MetalJigsaw:
You're totally spot on bro. I just hope Rohr or the technical crew sees this post.

O would suggest Moses plays from the left since he's dual footed... I think Iwobi is also dual footed.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 11:41pm On Nov 21, 2017
Sheffield United 4-5 Fulham
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2 goals & 1 assist
Rating: 9.39

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 12:10am On Nov 22, 2017
Mujtahida:

Okay Sire. All for glory


When was the last time morroco qualified for the world cup?

I believe, you were the one who posted the list of players that qualified them for this WC, showing all of them as foreign born/groomed.


As long as we're only going for the quality ones, then no problem.


I'm just scared of the outcry from the sentimental lots. However, we in our magnitude would reply them asking them to show us the achievements of the local players.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 12:15am On Nov 22, 2017
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 12:32am On Nov 22, 2017
Man! I had a swell time on this thread yesterday. Gotta say, that was the best day I've spent on this thread so far. I was just laughing like a mad man.

The jabs, sarcastic comments really helped fizzle out the tension already building up earlier. We overcame terrifically.

Kudos to: Taliban, forgiveness, Mujtahida, tbaba1234, Joebie, Kog45, Icon4s, Soetanoreoluwa, Komekn, elyte89, Napoleon55, Humility017, SirVik, mank1234, Daejoyoung, Jotey and others I couldn't call.

But I have to hand it to Taliban he's the MVP.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 12:47am On Nov 22, 2017
MetalJigsaw:
OK, it a possibility, you accept, right?
Yes.
There is also a possibility that buhari might ban us from participating in all sporting events in 2018, or Mikel might decide he's tired of playing football and retire.
There is also a possibility that Rohr might receive a higher paying job with another country and dump us, Or Balogun withdrawing from the world Cup to protest putin's hostility towards America. But you don't see us worrying about those, do you?

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