Leez:

hmmm slave
hmmm
why do igbos have lagos as a confederate
why do gambaris have ilorin as an emirate
afonja sufferstication is baffling

Leez:

hmmm slave
hmmm
why do igbos have lagos as a confederate
why do gambaris have ilorin as an emirate
afonja sufferstication is baffling

g0tze:

Lagos belongs to us. We are not even fighting Lagos with anyone let them take osun for all i care.

Leez:

BakireBulmaker:

Shouldn't you be mourning Kanu

mmsen:
All this 'traditional' land ownership is part of the reason as to why Africa has so many problems.

ProWalker:

When are you starting? Your forefathers tried it, they ended up dying like fowls in Ore

YourNemesis:


lool elaborate more abeg.
Those so called bini gods are from Yorubaland. Ogun was an Ekiti warrior who founded Ire. Sango/Isango was an Oyo man. Esu, Ifa, Orunmila, Olokun etcc all Yoruba.

You people even call sacrifice Ebo.
There are so many Yoruba words in edo language as well. Do not think the Binis have some kind of monopoly of influence.

Iyan (pounded yam), Ogban (30), Aga (Chair), Gedu (Timber), Ewu (Blouse/clothing top), Iyi (Honor), Agan (Barren), Bata (Shoe), Ishana (Matchstick), Oko (Canoe), Ologbo (Cat), Elubo (Flour), Ago (Camp), Abe (Blade/Razor), Agbo (Ram), Adugbo (which ypu people call “Edogbo”)-Neighborhood, Pataki/Kpataki (Important). Etc etc. Too numerous to enumerate here.

There are also towns in Edo with their origin in IFE. Go and do your research well and come back.

Lets us look at Nigeria right now... give 3 examples of how so called bini culture is superior to yoruba culture like you say.

Waiting....

superstar1:


You are very funny.

Binis never had the title of Oba until we took over the crown. The title of their kings before then was Ogiso. By virtue of that crown, whatever that crown owns is ours.

Going further, the expedition of Ado met some people at isale eko and they conquered them. Mind you it was not the whole of Lagos. It was the present day Lagos Island.

1. On the original land owner basis, it is ours.

2. Based on ownership of Bini crown, where they conquered is still ours.

gregyboy:
yea benin is suprior to yorubas in so many ways the trurh in history cnt always been hidden forever now most yoruba towns were been influenced by the benin even those words you mention where borrowed languages from the benins

we ruled over ondo osun ogun ekiti lagos this alone is enuff to spread our entire language and culture but we decide for yorubas to keep thier culture as long the pay homage same for the east we also share words common due to our influence

the painfull part for you yorubas to accept is that as large as the yoruba race a small benin kigdom influenced almost all the state in yoruba land including the place of your origin ife who our boy was sent to rule because yorubas lack progeniture so was easily accepted same as other yorubas state

tho yorubas are leading in the present day nigeria when a benin man wants to lead in nigeria he leads above no equal i mean even the entire world would recongnise him eg antony enawoho, benson idahosa oba of benin...etc

benin is grt even the British enveyed it till dey saw it downfall yorubas are just little obstacles .i wise man once said if you no your root then you will understand

yoruba was never united in the time of old but benin united them so if they dont find thier root this problem will keep on persisting untill they acknowledged home

benin is grt oba kha to kpere ise....

Leez:
but how can a man deny his tribe just to talk trash about ndigbo ffs?
afonjaism is quite sad tbh

gregyboy:


benin had so many titles oba was never used in yoruba history to represent king i. yoruba history anyday untill presently i even heard Yoruba's say it was the name of the first in ife that bore the name oba but never ascended the throne as oba but ooni

so our son went to ife bcame king we collected him due to progeniture he came changed the title ogiso to oba meaning shinning one. in benin who knows it could still be changed from oba to something else tomorrow even the name of the kingdom as been changed severally

u fu**king yorubas go find better lies cause this one dont fit even the name yoruba was given to u all due to ur cunnity even uptill date yorubas are still cunny slways following the rulling party north thats why i like my igbo pple who dont like intimadation and says the truth unlike yaribas

babaolofin:
I believed the attention of the traditional institutions mentioned in my last posting had been drawn to that site as one of them said it was not an issue. Also, they believed young boys online are getting excited to keep themselves busy. You don't just cooked up a story against a well civilized, urbanized & commercially strong Ijebu people historical facts. The only truth in that story is that Onikoyi (the traditional owner of Ikoyi) was from Oyo just as Olubara of Ibara (Abeokuta) was also from Oyo. The camping of Orisa was just a fabrication. Will OGEGBO of IBONWON camp his Agemo in Agbara? They imported Ibefun (an Ijebu riverine town close to Ososa via Ijebu Ode). People from time immemorial refer to Eyo returning to Iperu at the end of Eyo festival day to mark the end of Eyo day as it was brought to Lagos from that area as Bamgbose, Kudeti & Ojuelegba Egungun masquerade were all brought to Lagos with their Orisa.

People on nairaland immediately overshadowing historical facts & preventing people from reading the foundational truth by immediately posting series of none issues to cover up as observed by some people are we'll-done.

Kabiesi, thanks sir.

I also greet laudate, macof , etc well-done.

superstar1:


Lol!!!!! Revisionist at work again.

Go an look for your lost Son among the Igbos in Onitsha or Ijaws in Gelegele.

We own your thrown, we own your crown, you worship our gods, our kingdom was bigger in all ramifications, we gave your throne the title of an Oba. You never had an Oba before we impregnated your Princess, which your men could not do. We named Benin what it is today - Ile Ibinu. The Ife Art -- the terracotta head -- has been scientifically proven to predate Benin Art. Our words are strongly entrenched in your lexicon when tell us the Bini words in our lexicon.

The impact of our culture and influence is undeniably written all over Bini culture. Some nonentities are saying Yorubas were never United. Really!!!!! Then they should be read up on Emperor Alaafin and centuries of ruling.

Read up on Obatala Obatosa. You will know since when the Oba has been in the lexicon of the Yorubas. Oba came into your lexicon when Oranmiyan was sent to establish a our lineage on your throne and which he did successfully. The title of your throne was Ogiso.

Truth is bitter but we will keep ramping it down your throat. Our lineage still rule Bini kingdom till today. Deal with it and cry us holy water.

superstar1:


Lol!!!!! Revisionist at work again.

Go an look for your lost Son among the Igbos in Onitsha or Ijaws in Gelegele.

We own your thrown, we own your crown, you worship our gods, our kingdom was bigger in all ramifications, we gave your throne the title of an Oba. You never had an Oba before we impregnated your Princess, which your men could not do. We named Benin what it is today - Ile Ibinu. The Ife Art -- the terracotta head -- has been scientifically proven to predate Benin Art. Our words are strongly entrenched in your lexicon when tell us the Bini words in our lexicon.

The impact of our culture and influence is undeniably written all over Bini culture. Some nonentities are saying Yorubas were never United. Really!!!!! Then they should be read up on Emperor Alaafin and centuries of ruling.

Read up on Obatala Obatosa. You will know since when the Oba has been in the lexicon of the Yorubas. Oba came into your lexicon when Oranmiyan was sent to establish a our lineage on your throne and which he did successfully. The title of your throne was Ogiso.

Truth is bitter but we will keep ramping it down your throat. Our lineage still rule Bini kingdom till today. Deal with it and cry us holy water.

laudate:

Nobody is taking any glory that belongs to Ile-Ife, and I have not seen any Bini person doing so! I don't know why you brought Olusegun Aganga into this discussion, because the conversation has absolutely nothing to do with him. From the little I know about the man, he is half-Edo and half-Lagosian Yoruba. So what is the issue?

Pls try to check all what led to the main discussion on this thread, before putting up your remarks. Thank you.

Olu317:
Are you sure some Edo inclined historians doesn't try to claim Odu'a as a prince from IDU/Ogodomigodo? If some people claim Odu'a migrated frofm IDU to ILE IFE then doesn't it show he developed ILE IFE through such claim? And on the issue of Olusegun Aganga, is just showcasing how people may in the distance future claim things. Ordinarily I don't have any problem with the man in anyway. So, don't get me wrong. If Yoruba want to claim glory on achievement, there will be too much to make as a reference.

PabloAfricanus:
Another one bubbling with fierce nationalism!
When next you go home, ask your elders about how Ifa saw Oduduwa coming and told the elders at Ife to welcome him, that he will help them.
They saw him coming, though some heads of the houses like Obatala put up a resistance and fought to maintain the status quo.
Guess who formed awo cults to protest his dominance?
Guess where he came from?
Guess why there has always been a mythology and story about Oduduwa coming from somewhere in the east?
If you believe the recent fabrications to distance now learned Yoruba historians from that Far East migration story, then I am sorry.
There is a whole lot of intertwined history with Nupe, Bini, Hausa and Yorubas...especially Nupes than is presently documented.
May be you should do some research and inform yourself.

nobaga:
While I share Ajayi-Bebe feelings about the intentional exclusion of Lagosians from the scheme put together by Tinubu from Oragbiji in Osun State, Ajayi affiliation conceding Lagos Island to Benin is misplaced.

Bini itself is Yoruba regardless of the politics of the day. The ligua franca in Bini palace until recently was Yoruba, their gods are Yoruba and the names of the royals until recently are Yoruba.

Oduduwa came before Christ and existed not only in Yoruba history buy in that of their cousins worldwide including Ijaw before Ikalehan appearance in the 14th century.

Ajayi-Bembe cannot reconcile that by claiming Bini and Awori are the same. That is pure self serving. He can get away with that by claiming all Yoruba are cousins.

Aromire own Isale Eko a descendant of Ogunfimonire, an Awori from Ife own Lagos from Isheri to Isale Eko.

https://www.nairaland.com/4018415/ogiso-bini-ijaw-came-ile-ife#59914051

laudate:


Why are you fixated on Olusegun Aganga? Is he owing you anything or has he ever made any statement about Bini owning Lagos? NO!! So why do you keep bringing him into this conversation?

As for the Bini historians that talk about the history of the Benin people or their empire, have they done anything wrong by recording the history of their people or their culture? Even Yoruba historians like Prof Festus Ade Ajayi and others did so. Did anyone raise any dust? So why does the chronicle of history by Benin historians trouble you so much? Didn't the christian missionaries, foreign scholars, Portuguese scholars, merchants and colonial masters also write about the history of different places in Nigeria?? Abeg, stop chasing after petty issues....

Olu317:
You seem not to have read what I sent and you definitely owe me an apology. I mentioned descendants of Olusegun Aganga....... There is a clear difference. Go back and read again on my previous post before the last. Then, Edo people whose historical account contradict the true issue need be corrected. This has been the way at which they distort history. And such need serious correction because of the future. Kindly give these a good thought . If I may ask you, how would you feel, if someone lied about your own personal ancestors history? How would you feel if people send thrash online about your ancestors migration pattern? And how would you feel, if people lied about the name your ancestors call God? You can't understand my purpose if you don't understand my reasons.

Tell us what your problem is, so that we can treat your case.

Olu317:
You seem not to have read what I sent and you definitely owe me an apology. I mentioned descendants of Olusegun Aganga....... There is a clear difference. Go back and read again on my previous post before the last. Then, Edo people whose historical account contradict the true issue need be corrected. This has been the way at which they distort history. And such need serious correction because of the future. Kindly give these a good thought . If I may ask you, how would you feel, if someone lied about your own personal ancestors history? How would you feel if people send thrash online about your ancestors migration pattern? And how would you feel, if people lied about the name your ancestors call God? You can't understand my purpose if you don't understand my reasons.

gregyboy:


benin havnt lied at all far back then benin was so developed that they documented history through art thats how benin still got all the oba faces right from the ogisos to present era. and basic fact of oduduwa are still in benin musuem nd in the palace

for those who believed benin was speaking yoruba language in the olds i wonder how they think .benin was an empire who ruled so many ethnic group and spreaded most of thier words to those of his colonies same as the gods they worshipped

basic fact oduduwa was from benin not

false stories about oduduwa which aint true due to scientific analysis

1.migration from mecca that so wrong during is migration he could have established other settlement along the way but it didnt because it is false story

2.descending from the sky that 100 percent myth even krishna the son of god had to come through a human no historians accept that unproven fact

helpishere:

That number 2 point made all story about oduduwa fake. Did he fall from the sky like Satan did or Ufo plane dropped him using the chains since there were no parachute in those days. Laudate. The way you mediate in this matter makes me wonder what is really going on. The story about Lagos is being told by the Lagosians and not by us and we don't need to know Bembe'said igiogbe before we believe his story. I know of a carribean girl who wanted to go back to Africa because she wanted to know her roots. People are doing funny Stuff to get to know their roots while the ones who should ask questions about their origin are claiming super power. England colonised India and Pakistan and Nigeria and yet they were not more than 20m. I think our Oba should establish a commonwealth of Benin territories