PointZerom:




Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

I hate when people quote a verse of the Bible to defend their argument. Where as if you read the whole chapter the message is different. Wise up

LuvU2:
how u going to free poor people from poverty by collecting d little they have from them?

If that's d case we should all be collecting from beggars and widows around us. No? Ooops I garrit pastor Adeboye is a special messenger from God whose purpose ND calling is to stand as a Special money doubling schemer for God.

Those that will hail you here are...
1 Atheists

2 Muslims

3 Spiritually blinds

Can you read this story in the Bible to understand the angle Adeboye is coming from?


8 And the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, 9 Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there:behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee. 10 So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, behold, the widow woman was there gathering of sticks:and he called to her, and said, Fetch me, I pray thee, a little water in a vessel, that I may drink. 11 And as she was going to fetch it, he called to her, and said, Bring me, I pray thee, a morsel of bread in thine hand......

Pls Luvu2 read to the end in your Bible.

1sk Kings 17:9 down..

Freeze is applying pressure and these people are breaking

Collecting offering to make people wealthy??

PointZerom:



Stop been childish. I only shared my testimony with him and I never said that I am blessed b'cos I pay tithe.

Go and read the story of the Zeriphat woman sorry for the spelling........ She didn't receive until she gave out Her last meal to the prophet.

You could have as well made your point without the first sentence Mr.

I really have nothing else to tell you as I see we are simply not on same page.

OBIGS:
So church done turn MMM. But this 1 we no how to reach the owner but fear of God no go allow u challenge daddy GO. the God I know will not ask for money to bless his children in return...

Gbam....honestly I think this redeem GO has been compromised....

Okwyjesus:
It is crazy and wrong discussing spiritual issues with a a carnal man. They can't understand issues of the Kingdom. This Breeze and Freeze of a man don't worth the attention he is getting.

True but Money is not Spiritual but Physical!
Private Jets not Spiritual, but Physical!
If it's not in the Bible then it's garbage from the pits of hell! Gone are the days where con men cook every rubbish to feed the people and collect their Money. Now that people are gradually returning back to God by reading the Bible for themselves, people are saying SHOW US IN THE BIBLE WHERE CHRIST OR HIS DISCIPLES SAID OR DID IT Otherwise hold you peace and Finally DaddyFreeze has shown and Demonstrated a Superior Knowledge and understanding than all these business men posing as Holy men and that is why you see their Constant confusion. About 5 of them have spoken up, contradicting each other and saying things that are not Scriptural Oh yes! The Association of Nigerian Theologians has finally released a statement on this and they said Freeze is right and Tithes are not for Christians so all your GO's failed woefully.

Prv 11:24 There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty.

In other wards giving(in church, to the poor, to pastors, to parents) leads to prosperity, stingeness leads to poverty. Is it not what Daddy GO is saying.
When carnal natural man is arguing scriptures with man of God.. you wonder and think just pity him. Oh its not his fault.

Well DONE - am with you ONLY on this point. More wisdom.

NwaAmaikpe:




You take my offering to save me from poverty?
Such a whack teaching!

I've said it before.


Any person who depletes his savings to pay tithe in order to be wealthy is no different from the fool who set his house ablaze during the cold just to generate warmth.

Bbsharon:


You could have as well made your point without the first sentence Mr.

I really have nothing else to tell you as I see we are simply not on same page.

You're right we can't be on same page. Your comment was a kind of attack hence my response. Next time, don't quote somebody out of context. Bye.

donb06:

u ve to come to redemption camp and see the bags of rice and food stuff dangote provides every covention to RCCG. and as for south korea they have the biggest and most recognized church in the world that holds up to 9 services every sunday. have u heard of pastor david yonggi cho before? he is the pastor thanks.

Why is Nigeria still cursed inspite of all the "promised blessings" that tithing is supposed to provoke?

Iseoluwani:
fix your broken home freeze..

Read ur Bible.

salvation101:
He is a coward.. He dares not speak against politicians and military rulers who av held d nation hostage for years.. He dares not speak against a violent religion. He dares not speak against traditional ritualists those who can stap him tru a mirror or make him mad.. He can only channel all his frustration on soft targets. Onlxy ppl wont fight back are d targets of his popularity campaign

.but at least he is speaking against something. What have you zombie spoken against?

salvation101:
so cos arch bishop pf Canterbury clamin his pro gay stance is biblical means it is? why don't you set up an interview with him and i will oblige or is it between u nd i? U can check my profile nd see my thread on tithing.

Madam, Archbishop of Canterbury is not the bible. The bible is clear on homosexualism. Just publish the scriptures, that Freeze might not have considered, that makes tithing very mandatory and shame him. Until then, stop playing up emotions. Bible is not emotional .

bezimo:
Prv 11:24 There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty.

In other wards giving(in church, to the poor, to pastors, to parents) leads to prosperity, stingeness leads to poverty. Is it not what Daddy GO is saying.
When carnal natural man is arguing scriptures with man of God.. you wonder and think just pity him. Oh its not his fault.

The same spiritual church that told us that the Earth is flat and the center of the cosmos. The same spiritual church that divided the work into two so that Portugal and Spain could colonize the world. The same spiritual church that turned a blind eye during the witch-hunting campaign in Europe. Help yourself Mr Man

afroxyz:


.but at least he is speaking against something. What have you zombie spoken against?

talk is very cheap

The Tithe: No controversy - Oluwamuyiwa Okuseinde

Since the hoopla about tithing surfaced, many who know my teachings on the subject in the last one decade or so have requested my opinion on the matter. My usual response had been to direct them to the Bible and to the two mini books I have written on the subject. I feel there is no point engaging in any debate with anyone. God has warned us to beware of such arguments from scoffers who would abound in the last days. But in the last one week, a dear friend and brother has put so much pressure on me, literally begging me to say something. It is therefore in response to my friend (just as Dr Luke wrote for Theophilus, Luke 1:3-4) that I'm making the following submissions, hoping also that it would be of help to every genuine seeker out there.

I will reduce my contribution to only seven of the many issues that there are on the matter.

First, the idea that the tithe is not applicable in the New Testament is false. In His comments on the attitude of the Pharisees, Jesus upbraided them for paying tithe of little things while neglecting weightier matters of the law like justice and mercy. Then Jesus made a statement that I thought is clear even for the blind to see: "these [weightier matters] ought you to have done, and not to leave the other [tithe] undone" (Matthew 23:23). How could Jesus - the New Testament personified say that a particular thing should not be left undone and a true believer in Christ will presume to say that thing is a scam? Yet the righteousness of the Christian is supposed to surpass that of the Pharisee.

Today, it is convenient for us to claim promises of the Old Testament when they suit us but when it requires that we part with our substance, we quickly remember that we are in the New Testament. That is hypocrisy.

For those who may want to know, the tithe is neither Old nor New Testament. The tithe is 'trans-testament'. It transcends both testaments and is applicable to both testaments. The tithe was definitely before the law, being practiced 430 years before the law and what did not come with the law cannot go with the law. Abraham was the first to pay it, and he gave a tithe of all the booty he brought from the war (Genesis 14:20). The "all" must have included garments, gold, silver, animals, weapons etc. This clearly faults the argument that tithe in Bible times was only from agriculture. Jacob promised God a tithe of all that God would give him and we know that Jacob was not only rich in livestock, he had monetary asset with which he bought food for his huge household during the time of famine (e.g., see Genesis 43:12).

I have heard many make that mischievous statement, that they won't pay tithe because Jesus didn't pay tithe. Did Jesus give offering? Did He build a house or own one? Didn't He say that the son of man had nowhere to lay his head? Well, just as you argue that if a man pays tithe, he should go ahead and fulfill all the other Old Testament laws, so also, since you won't pay tithe because Jesus didn't pay, you should equally refrain from giving offerings, owning a house, riding a car or flying in a plane because Jesus did none of these things. If you are not being mischievous, apply the rule to yourself and ensure that you refrain from everything Jesus didn't do, including getting married and having children.

Secondly, this idea of the tithe not being for Gentile believers is a misreading of the New Testament. In Christ Jesus, there is neither Gentile nor Jew. Christ came to destroy that dichotomy, breaking down the middle wall of partition (Ephesians 2:11-22). We have all been baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles (1 Corinthians 12:13). There is not a separate rule for Jewish Christians and another for Gentile believers. In response to such uniformed opinions, Paul asked, "Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also" (Romans 3:29).

Thirdly, the assumption that the tithe is the financial bottom line of God’s servants is false. Interestingly, none of those making this false claim have come out with empirical data to support their opinion. It will surprise you to know that in spite of the hue and cry about tithe, not more than a tenth of the church actually tithe faithfully. I know this because in the last ten years, I have been privileged to go from church to church, city to city, within and outside my country Nigeria to teach the saints on the subject of tithe.

Everywhere I go, without a single exception, approximately 90% of the congregants would respond to altar calls as tithe defaulters. This is something I have empirically verified and not a mere opinion. I find it disturbing to my rational mind that supposedly cerebral persons, even from the ivory towers, would make sweeping generalisations in matters they have not verified.

Even in the Old Testament, the Levites had other sources of income apart from the offerings of the children of Israel. While they had no inheritance as a tribe, the Levites had lands given to them in all the tribes of Israel. When the people failed to bring the tithes, the Levites resorted to working on their land. This happened during the time of Nehemiah (see Nehemiah 13:10-14).

The truth of the matter is that most servants of God are simply blessed of God, tithe or no tithe. If you are doing what God has called you to do, He will bless you. It is only a matter of time. For example, I am personally very blessed. This is the 23rd year I left my job as a university teacher to serve God full time. For more than two decades, I have not collected a dime as salary. I have a house that God built for me without a dime of any man's tithe in it. All the vehicles I have used (except two) were given to me by people. Hardly would tithes from people represent up to 10% of my sustenance (with my family) for more than two decades. When you don't know my story and you conclude that I must be living on the tithes of some people, it is both unfair and uncharitable. Sometimes to want to find out how a true man of God is sustained is like wanting to know what is talking inside the radio! It will lead to many errors.

Fourthly, to reduce the tithe to what a man eats and washes down with a glass of beer is to make mockery of sacred things. Truly, there is a biblical practice of eating a particular tithe in the house of God. But it is also clear from the Bible that the Levites were to receive the tithe as part of their sustenance. If the tithe is for you to eat, which one goes to the Levite? Doesn't it suggest already that the Bible is not talking about a singular item? In any case if the tithe is for you to eat, why should God be angry as He obviously was in Malachi if you don't want to eat? And like I always say, if the tithe is yours, it would make no sense whatsoever for God to say tithe defaulters are robbing Him. It is impossible to steal what belongs to you. If the tithe is simply something for you to eat, why would God tell defaulters to add a fifth (Leviticus 27:31)? Selecting a portion of the Scriptures to make general assertions is as wrong as it is foolish and ungodly.

A careful reading of the Scriptures shows that three different tithes were paid in Bible times, viz the Levite tithe, the festival tithe and the Poor tithe which is also called the third tithe. The tithe eaten by the giver in the house of God is the festival tithe which is done yearly. The Levite tithe (which is what the church teaches) remains the minimum irreducible obligation of God's children to His house.

Sixth, it has been observed that the major cause of the tithe discussion is the opulent lifestyle and stupendous wealth of some men of God which many assume (wrongly so) is being financed by the tithes of their members. While I won't stop you from having issues with extravagant lifestyle of some pastor, it is wrong to teach revolt against the word of God because of the actions of men. That a particular town is filled with fake or incompetent doctors won't remove the fact of the authenticity and necessity of medical practice. God's word remains true irrespective of how men behave.

Sev

Lightening:


Madam, Archbishop of Canterbury is not the bible. The bible is clear on homosexualism. Just publish the scriptures, that Freeze might not have considered, that makes tithing very mandatory and shame him. Until then, stop playing up emotions. Bible is not emotional .

lol. The emotional one here is you. If u don't av the book of matt23:23 in ur Bible or malachi 3 den i can't help u.... Wen d bible says will a 'Man' rob God? U r quick to say its only talking to d Israelite. The first incomplete version of the new testament scripture we know today existed 170AD nd the complete one wot 27books started to exit after 300AD (u can verify online) .. Now tell me the scriptures the early church specifically d berean Christians were reading if not dis same old testament

JkCosmos:


Some of you guyz do not lack knowledge......and knowledge is power.

Bible talks about Tithing,Quran talks about Saka(apology to Muslim faithful if not correctly written).

Bring ye all tithe into my store house, test me with this if I wont open the gates of heaven upon you.......

It is conditional....If u pay better for you;if don't pay....curse afterwards follows u

Daddy fresh abi daddy wetin ...keep ur mouth shut.

So I must give because I want to receive nit because I want to help. Una dey craze

I can see from your comments you have no idea about churches in developed countries, if you did you won't even ask such questions.

gbengadada2004:
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Can you cite an example of a church in developed country where you went to and people walked out because the pastor asked for offering/tithe? I have live in some of these countries I have not seen one.

Which non Nigerian owned church in developed countries ask people to pay tithes ?

PointZerom:


Why are you lying that in Europe they don't pay tithe.

Esepayan:

my dear u are blind

u are stewpid

salvation101:
lol. The emotional one here is you. If u don't av the book of matt23:23 in ur Bible or malachi 3 den i can't help u.... Wen d bible says will a 'Man' rob God? U r quick to say its only talking to d Israelite. The first incomplete version of the new testament scripture we know today existed 170AD nd the complete one wot 27books started to exit after 300AD (u can verify online) .. Now tell me the scriptures the early church specifically d berean Christians were reading if not dis same old testament

Please the book of Malachi was addressed to the Levites. Start reading from chapter one. Are you from the tribe of Levi? Mth 23:23 substantially weakens your position. Read it again without mindset. Finally, search for Freeze's interview that sparked off this wild debate about tithing. You obviously need to increase in knowledge.

Sanchase:

Which non Nigerian owned church in developed countries ask people to pay tithes ?

you don't know wat u r saying.. Orthodox and Pentecostals alike pays tithe infact they are even more strict with it over there as dey keep a tithe card for their members... The number of churches who pay tithe outweighs those who don't

Lol, that's the only conclusion you lot cling to "it's not your money, so I pay my tithe'' I'm not asking you not to pay sir, just telling you it's not something Jesus nor his disciples did, so stop quoting the bible the wrong way to back your point, read the bible and dont just do something because a MOG(hustler) said it. Goodluck sir.

PointZerom:


If there's reward for every good thing, there's reward for giving and paying tithe, It is not your money and you can't decide for me.

Lightening:


Please the book of Malachi was addressed to the Levites. Start reading from chapter one. Are you from the tribe of Levi? Mth 23:23 substantially weakens your position. Read it again without mindset. Final lay, search for Freeze's interview that sparked off this wild debate about tithing. You obviously need to increase in knowledge.

if u say that then you are also saying that Jesus only came for the Israelites because he never went beyond the borders of Israel nation in his ministry.. Of his twelve disciples, all were Jews... Psalm 23 is not also for u. It was just a song David sang, are u david? Wen 2Tim3:16 say ALL scripture is give by God... that the man of God should be perfect and thoroughly furnished for good works nd u r here cherry picking wch one is for u or not... Now u just take everything an apostate says hook, line and sinker just because it appeals to ur biase. In matt 23:23, Jesus concluded.. Dont leave d other (tithe) undone nd u will say he was talking to pharisee.. Why would he tell dem to do it if it was wrong or does he imply dat dey should continue doing the wrong thing? If u must cherry pick the Bible den nothing in it is for you cos everything was addressing someone or ppl as at dat time

OBIGS:
So church done turn MMM. But this 1 we no how to reach the owner but fear of God no go allow u challenge daddy GO. the God I know will not ask for money to bless his children in return...

guy are u wise at all? haven't u read malachi 3? yes God does not need ur money as the scriptures says "the silver and gold are mine" but God requires it to bless u. Anyone who does not pay his tithe is cursed.

Kennedyiheme:
Reinhard bonke and another lady evangelist said the way Nigerian churches are so money oriented is outrageous and they've never seen anything like it before...goodluck bro

Good for them.

PointZerom:



I am above that age I started paying tithe as a #7k salary earner but today I am a dealer in tiles and plumbing materials. Owns a big shop and employs people as well.

speak for yourself you don't know other people's plight

archimedean:

guy are u wise at all? haven't u read malachi 3? yes God does not need ur money as the scriptures says "the silver and gold are mine" but God requires it to bless u. Anyone who does not pay his tithle is cursed.

ur unwise that's why you keep using a verse of the Bible to support ur argument. Why cant you read the full chapter and acquire better understanding

This man is just a wailing wailer. If you don't believe in it, must shout about why not face what works for you and stop poke nosing.