OLAADEGBU:
Reasons why the apocrypha does not belong in the Bible

Jesus, the apostles, the Jews and the early church all rejected the books in the Apocrypha as being inspired books on the same level of scripture.

https://carm.org/reasons-why-apocrypha-does-not-belong-bible

Tampinu:


Ethiopian Canon has 81 books , why does the vatican canon have 66 books?

Could it be because Africa is the foundation and root of the Christian Faith and inevitably have more resources on the subject matter?

Hmmm

easymancfc:


Hide my face in shame.. LOL..You're a funny person.. You are just hanging on to straws after your argument fails.. Whether or not Jesus or the apostles quoted from the deuterocanon will only be important if it is a reason for Belonging to the the O.T canon.. Which it is not...
NO WERE DOES IT STATE, IN THE BIBLE OR OTHERWISE THAT JESUS OR HIS APOSTLES MUST QUOTE A BOOK FOR IT TO BE SCRIPTURE...
that is a presumption you hold that is wrong.. Because..
1. I have shown you books that were quoted by Jude (1:9) as in the case of the Assumption of Moses and Hebrews (11:37) was taken directly from the Ascension of Isaiah.. If according to you.. QUOTATION EQUALS CANONICITY then these two books should be part of your old testament...
2. I have also showed you that many other old testament books are not quoted or even alluded to by Jesus or the apostles....If according to you.. QUOTATION EQUALS CANONICITY then these books should not be part of your old testament... Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Judges, 1 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Lamentations and Nahum. Not one of these Old Testament books is ever quoted or alluded to by Christ or the Apostles in the New Testament.

so I am not accusing you of anything I am only pointing out the inconsistencies in your argument.. If you think that means you're lying then that's your problem

OLAADEGBU:


"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18-19).

The vatican canon has 73 books not 66. There is a curse to those adding or subtracting from the Word of God. Don't bring yourself under the curse of God.

OLAADEGBU:


"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18-19).

The vatican canon has 73 books not 66. There is a curse to those adding or subtracting from the Word of God. Don't bring yourself under the curse of God.

OLAADEGBU:


I can now say that you have little or no integrity since you denied saying what you said. I can accept you forgetting you made the quote but for you to still deny after I quoted what you posted means you are not a man of integrity.

Tampinu:


Ethiopian Canon has 81 books , why does the vatican canon have 66 books?

Could it be because Africa is the foundation and root of the Christian Faith and inevitably have more resources on the subject matter?

Hmmm

easymancfc:


I think you and I are over the Ethiopia cradle of Christianity argument..

Ethiopia doesn't have more resources than the Vatican.. the Catholic Church calls the 73 books Scriptures but has all those books Ethiopia has..

here's a question for you..
if Ethiopia's canon was superior or was there before the catholic Church removed from it.. Why did it not define the canon of the scripture before the catholic church did

easymancfc:
Olaadegbu and Tampinu..

Revelation 22:18 talks about the book of Revelation only not The whole bible.. that's what you get for reading the bible out of context...
Revelation 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the PROPHECY of THIS BOOK,

the book Jesus told John to write on the prophecies he would Show him...

Revelation 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3Blessedis he that readeth, and they that hear the words of THIS PROPHECY, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

revelation1:11saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, WRITE IN A BOOK, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

So the book revelation 22:18 is talking about is the book of Revelation..

Mathew was part of the prophecy.. neither was Luke or John or Galatians etc.. but they were ADDED TO revelation to form the new testament...

INCASE YOU DONT KNOW THERE'S A SIMILAR COMMAND IN Deuteronomy 4:2

deut 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

BUT AFTER THIS, THE OTHER OLD TESTAMENT BOOKS WERE ADDED TO THE TORAH (Joshua, Judges, Isaiah etc) not to mention the new testament..

So You can't threaten the Church that compiled the bible with your out of context interpretation of it..

Thanks.

If we are done with the argument , then there's no need for thee to ask any further questions of me, especially concerning the subject matter.

For you cannot eat your cake and have it, not even if you worked in a bakery!

Peace

alvin000:
What the Church doesn't want you to know.

Up until the First Council of Nicaea, the Roman aristocracy primarily worshipped two Greek gods -Apollo and Zeus- but the great bulk of common people idolized either Julius Caesar or Mithras (the Romanized version of the Persian deity Mithra ).
Caesar was deified by the Roman Senate after his death (15 March 44 BC) and subsequently venerated as "the Divine Julius".
The word "Savior" was affixed to his name, its literal meaning being "one who sows the seed", i.e., he was a phallic god.
Julius Caesar was hailed as, " God made manifest and universal Savior of human life", and his successor Augustus was called the "ancestral God and Savior of the whole human race"
(Man and his Gods, Homer Smith, Little, Brown & Co., Boston, 1952).

Emperor Nero (54-68), whose original name was Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus (37-68), was immortalized on his coins as the "Savior of mankind" (ibid.).
The Divine Julius as Roman Savior and "Father of the Empire" was considered "God" among the Roman rabble for more than 300 years. He was the deity in some Western presbyters' texts, but was not recognized in Eastern or Oriental writings.

Constantine's intention at Nicaea was to create an entirely new god for his empire who would unite all religious factions under one deity. Presbyters were asked to debate and decide who their new god would be. Delegates argued among themselves, expressing personal motives for inclusion of particular writings that promoted the finer traits of their own special deity.

Throughout the meeting, howling factions were immersed in heated debates, and the names of 53 gods were tabled for discussion.
"As yet, no God had been selected by the council, and so they balloted in order to determine that matter... For one year and five months the balloting lasted..."
(God's Book of Eskra, Prof. S. L. MacGuire's translation, Salisbury, 1922, chapter xlviii, paragraphs 36, 41).

At the end of that time, Constantine returned to the gathering to discover that the presbyters had not agreed on a new deity but had balloted down to a shortlist of five prospects :
i. Caesar
ii. Krishna
iii. Mithra
iv. Horus
v. Zeus
(Historia Ecclesiastica, Eusebius, c. 325).

Constantine was the ruling spirit at Nicaea and he ultimately decided upon a new god for them. To involve British factions, he ruled that the name of the great Druid god, Hesus , be joined with the Eastern Savior-god, Krishna ( Krishna is Sanskrit for
Christ ), and thus Hesus Krishna would be the official name of the new Roman god.

A vote was taken and it was with a majority show of hands (161 votes to 157) that both divinities became one God . Following longstanding heathen custom, Constantine used the official gathering and the Roman apotheosis decree to legally deify two deities as one, and did so by democratic consent. A new god was proclaimed and "officially" ratified by Constantine ( Acta Concilii Nicaeni, 1618).

That purely political act of deification effectively and legally placed Hesus and Krishna among the Roman gods as one individual composite.

That abstraction lent Earthly existence to amalgamated doctrines for the Empire's new religion; and because there was no letter "J" in alphabets until around the ninth century, the name subsequently evolved into " Jesus Christ".

WHO WAS THIS? This was Chrishna (Krishna) of India, who according to tradition was crucified approximately 1200 B.C. Incidentally, he had a “virgin” birth, either by a hair of the Hindu God Vishnu entering his mother’s womb, or in another version of the myth, God Vishnu himself entering her womb.

OLAADEGBU:
Reasons why the apocrypha does not belong in the Bible

Jesus, the apostles, the Jews and the early church all rejected the books in the Apocrypha as being inspired books on the same level of scripture.

https://carm.org/reasons-why-apocrypha-does-not-belong-bible

easymancfc:
Olaadegbu and Tampinu..

Revelation 22:18 talks about the book of Revelation only not The whole bible.. that's what you get for reading the bible out of context...
Revelation 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the PROPHECY of THIS BOOK,

the book Jesus told John to write on the prophecies he would Show him...

Revelation 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3Blessedis he that readeth, and they that hear the words of THIS PROPHECY, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

revelation1:11saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, WRITE IN A BOOK, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

So the book revelation 22:18 is talking about is the book of Revelation..

Mathew was not part of the prophecy.. neither was Luke or John or Galatians etc.. but they were ADDED TO revelation to form the new testament...

INCASE YOU DONT KNOW THERE'S A SIMILAR COMMAND IN Deuteronomy 4:2

deut 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

BUT AFTER THIS, THE OTHER OLD TESTAMENT BOOKS WERE ADDED TO THE TORAH (Joshua, Judges, Isaiah etc) not to mention the new testament..

So You can't threaten the Church that compiled the bible with your out of context interpretation of it..

OLAADEGBU:


Only God is allowed to add to His Words and He concluded it in the book of Revelation which ended the canon. Anything outside the completed 66 books of the Bible is to be met with a curse. So credit goes only to God for compiling the Bible, the RCC are trying to rob God of His glory which is to their own peril.

Tampinu:


So Ethiopian 81 books are not approved by God, abi? So only the 66 books approved by Oyinbo are allowed, because they are selected by Oyinbo? Even though Ethiopia was first country mentioned in the Bible? Huh?

Ok, you do well. Hmmmmm

OLAADEGBU:


Only God is allowed to add to His Words and He concluded it in the book of Revelation which ended the canon. Anything outside the completed 66 books of the Bible is to be met with a curse. So credit goes only to God for compiling the Bible, the RCC are trying to rob God of His glory which is to their own peril.

easymancfc:


where does it say God concluded the Bible with the book of revelation..

where does it say the bible contains 66 books..

The RCC is not robing God of anything...

The Curse is upon you lot who removed from the Bible

OLAADEGBU:


You can read your apocryphal books but just don't confuse them with the Holy Scriptures.

OLAADEGBU:


The book of Revelation is the last one to complete the canon and the apocryphal did not qualify. Read it up in 1 Maccabees 9:27 and 14:41 There you will see that there was no voice of the prophet in the land during this dark age. God did not speak to any prophet, the reason it was called the silent years. They Jews were actually looking forward to the day when a faithful prophet would appear and this did not happen until after 400 years of silence.

OLAADEGBU:


The book of Revelation is the last one to complete the canon and the apocryphal did not qualify. Read it up in 1 Maccabees 9:27 and 14:41 There you will see that there was no voice of the prophet in the land during this dark age. God did not speak to any prophet, the reason it was called the silent years. They Jews were actually looking forward to the day when a faithful prophet would appear and this did not happen until after 400 years of silence.

Tampinu:


So Ethiopian 81 books are not approved by God, abi? So only the 66 books approved by Oyinbo are allowed, because they are selected by Oyinbo? Even though Ethiopia was first country mentioned in the Bible? Huh?

Ok, you do well. Hmmmmm

budaatum:

He does well indeed!

Tampinu:


Abi now ...lol

This is the kind of guys Fela was singing about; they have no love, pride or respect for anything African.

He is here telling me that despite the fact that Ethiopia is the first country mentioned in the Bible on the very 1st page of the Bible, and some Europeans managed to set 66 books as canon, whilst ancient Ethiopia has 81 books.

He is arguing that the Ethiopians will be cursed for adding more books than the 66 books selected and approved by the Europeans. (Sigh).

What kind of reasoning is this?
What are you defending?
Why not just keep silent if unsure?

Hmmmmm

budaatum:

66 books is a lot of books, so we delight that they bothered to read them. Imagine if they had read only one book! Understanding however, is of a different magnitude and essence.

If he were to reason, he would wonder what would happen to those who added the new testament to the old. If they are cursed for adding the extra books, no one would have heard of Christ, then where would we be?

The Pharisees and Sadduces argued the same point, which books are to be read. In one text, Christ said something about marriage. The second escapes me at the moment, but I wonder if it does not involve Caesar. Will check the text duly.

In the meanwillie it would behold thee to meditate on "[Hu]mans shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". And contend it with the 66 Books version in [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+21%3A25&version=KJV]John 21:25[/url] of the following, "If all the trees on earth were pens, and the ocean were ink, replenished by seven more oceans, the writing of Allah's Words (His wonderful signs and creations) would not be exhausted; surely Allah is Mighty Wise."

OLAADEGBU:


"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18-19).

The vatican canon has 73 books not 66. There is a curse to those adding or subtracting from the Word of God. Don't bring yourself under the curse of God.

easymancfc:
Tampinu.. that picture is inaccurate.. You need to learn your history.. The catholic church was founded by Christ in 33 AD.. in The Great schism of 1054 it was the orthodox church that broke out.. you are twisting history....

The church was originally one both catholic and Orthodox before the east west split in 1054., so both go back to Christ. It was the east (Orthodox ) that split from the west.. So going by your thought. I would say that the patriach of Constantinople and the other eastern fathers founded the Orthodox Church..

Tampinu:


Ethiopian Canon has 81 books , why does the vatican canon have 66 books?

Could it be because Africa is the foundation and root of the Christian Faith and inevitably have more resources on the subject matter?

Hmmm

Tampinu:


Did Jesus quote anything from "Genesis"? Does that mean that Genesis should not be a part of the Canon?