OBIGS:
ur unwise that's why you keep using a verse of the Bible to support ur argument. Why cant you read the full chapter and acquire better understanding

What does it says if you have read the complete verse?

derecho:
Get the point and stop prevaricating...the point is ,without sounding rude,money isn't our aim Your uncle's success is subjective and there are people without his education that are far richer than he is.To help you further, if he doesn't give a hoot about Godliness, why won't he cut corners?

why won't he cut corners? I seriously laugh at you sheeple, if that's ur believe that whoever doesn't go to ur church is already a devil just like your Yahoomen has made you believe then who am I to alter your already configured brain...peace sheeple!!!

guiddoti:
What does it says if you have read the complete verse?

wiseman, you dat quoted a verse from it what does it say.

GibsonB:
So the reason why we pay Offerings, is not because we want to make heaven in the first place, its just to be rich, Hmm, Anyway today is not for Ebiwali. Straight to the point.
Daddy is not here to Freeze!lol.. Daddy Freeze is not giving up his #freethesheeple movement, infact the more Pastors preach the more he picks their words against them..

This time its Pastor Adeboye of Redeem Church who had earlier said that Curse will follow anyone who doesn't pay tithe, however this time during a mid-week service he said the only reason he takes offering is to remove people from Poverty.

He said;
'The only reason we take offering at all is because, that's the only way to get you out of poverty'.

This is the part that Resurrected Freeze's anger and other well Meaning Nigerians, he shared the video and lambast him heavily, saying the preaching is False. see below!



Watch the Video here:
https://twitter.com/DaddyFRZ/status/933786758789189632

or here

News From Ebiwali-- http://www.ebiwalismoment.com/2017/11/freeze-lambast-pastor-adeboye-for.html

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY YOU ARE TO GIVE 10% OF YOUR INCOME FOR TITHES?

The Bible does not anywhere indicate that tithing is applicable or expected in our time at all. It was a system which was brought in following the exodus from Egypt and the forming of the children of Israel into a nation of their own.

Their nation was divided into 12 tribes, and 11 of these tribes grew crops, had animals, inherited land etc. The twelfth tribe, Levi, were the priests and administrators of the nation, and had no land, animals, crops etc, so the 11 tribes had to give the tribe of Levi 10% of their income. This mathematically works out that they were then all equal, because from this part which was given to the tribe of Levi, they still had to make their own offering of a tenth to God, the same as the other tribes had to. (see Numbers 18:25-39)

The tithing to give to the Levites was basically playing the same part as our taxes do today – our taxes pay for the everyday administration of our country. The Levites did everything from attending the tabernacle/temple, judging disputes, dignosing illnesses, being the judicial system etc.

Tithing was part of the old law, or what is sometimes referred to as ‘the law of Moses’. It was given specifically to the nation of Israel, God’s chosen people:

Ezekiel 20:10-12 “Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the desert.
I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them.
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy.”

The law of Moses was a law of sacrificing to God for the atonement of sins. This was looking forward to the time when the one true sinless Lamb, Jesus Christ, would be offered to atone for the sins committed by Adam and Eve. When Jesus came, and as a sinless sacrifice for our sinful nature, he fulfilled the old law by his sacrifice and brought in a new one, referred to as ‘the law of Christ’. The old law was then complete, it was obsolete.

Romans 10:44 “Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.”

Tithing was part of the old law which was done away with. We cannot continue with parts of the law which we choose, the old law was gone. The Jews continued with the old law because they refused to recognize the true position of Jesus Christ, that he was he was God’s only son. So if we keep on with parts of the old law, we are doing the same. We as christians have never been under the old law, it was only following the rejection of Christ by the Jews that we, as ‘Gentiles’ were given the opportunity to be part of God’s plan.

Money was definitely donated for the purpose of supporting very poor members in Jerusalem, but never to pay to a leader so that became his income.

Voluntarily helping someone, as the Macedonian brethren did for Paul, is quite different from tithing. We should be aware of others needs, and when we see the opportunity to help privately, then we should do so. The message of the New Testament is that our offerings in God’s service should be voluntary and that no amount is set, and that the accumulation of wealth, even by a church, is not right. Rather we should give to the poor.

One of the very great dangers of churches demanding tithes is the accompanying perceived threat or fear that acceptance by God depends on the amount of money given. That acceptance is something money cannot buy. Often pastors of churches who tithe are very wealthy people – at the expense of their congregations, yet they often claim that they are wealthy because they have been blessed by God! Yet Paul could say, “I will very gladly spend for you everything I have and expend myself as well……I have not been a burden to you.” (2 Corinthians 12:16)

OBIGS:
wiseman, you dat quoted a verse from it what does it say.

You haven't even read the portion, and you are telling some one who has read a portion what you should know. Gullible at its peak. No point in arguing with you because I have wanted to hear your side of view.

bigsecsyde:
Lol, that's the only conclusion you lot cling to "it's not your money, so I pay my tithe'' I'm not asking you not to pay sir, just telling you it's not something Jesus nor his disciples did, so stop quoting the bible the wrong way to back your point, read the bible and dont just do something because a MOG(hustler) said it. Goodluck sir.

They waked on the sea, they didn't give any offering, Jesus didn't marry and his disciples didn't divorce their wives like freeze.

Sanchase:

Which non Nigerian owned church in developed countries ask people to pay tithes ?

Stop shifting goal post.

Hmmn..tnx

Just to clear your confusion,There is nothing to envy in a Christless Life.Need i tell you that there are MANY richer folks in the church.You may remain a mentee to the likes of Freeze.I 'll rather be a sheep for the Truth than reason the way you do.

Abudu2000:
why won't he cut corners? I seriously laugh at you sheeple, if that's ur believe that whoever doesn't go to ur church is already a devil just like your Yahoomen has made you believe then who am I to alter your already configured brain...peace sheeple!!!

derecho:
Hmmn..tnx

Just to clear your confusion,There is nothing to envy in a Christless Life.Need i tell you that there are MANY richer folks in the church.You may remain a mentee to the likes of Freeze.I 'll rather be a sheep for the Truth than reason the way you do

THE REASON WE COLLECT TITHES AND OFFERINGS IS TO GET YOU OUT OF PROVERTY


Adeb--OLE!!!!

Tnx...Can the matter rest now...God Bless you sir

Abudu2000:
THE REASON WE COLLECT TITHES AND OFFERINGS IS TO GET YOU OUT OF PROVERTY


Adeb--OLE!!!!

derecho:
Tnx...Can the matter rest now...God Bless you sir

I INCREASED THE SCHOOL TUITION FEES BECAUSE THE LORD GOD INSTRUCTED ME TO.


Pastor OLE-depo

salvation101:
talk is very cheap

Tell that to Hitler whose words galvanized a Nation to believe in the supremacy of their race and attempted to conquer the world

[quote author=guiddoti post=62682030] You haven't even read the portion, and you are telling some one who has read a portion what you should know. Gullible at its peak. No point in arguing with you because I have wanted to hear your side of view. I might be quoting a robot. uve Been programmed already. Just learn how to read a book or a chapter of the Bible before you use a single verse from it to support any argument

afroxyz:


The same spiritual church that told us that the Earth is flat and the center of the cosmos. The same spiritual church that divided the work into two so that Portugal and Spain could colonize the world. The same spiritual church that turned a blind eye during the witch-hunting campaign in Europe. Help yourself Mr Man

You are yarning upside down.Are you ok..which spiritual church are you referring to..because I have no idea.

PrecisionFx:



Read ur Bible.

you love to turn Bible to your side so that you can consume your lust

Go and study James chapter 1-5

congorasta:



fix your brain with more bible studies

have you ever read Hebrews and James, I bet no, if you did, u will understand tithing

Iseoluwani:




you love to turn Bible to your side so that you can consume your lust

Go and study James chapter 1-5

Bros which one be James 1 - 5??

The richest pple ever(financially) neva paid tithe infact most of them were Muslims or pagans. God is neva interested in physical cash but the state of ones mind. D only tithe i know n is workin for me is helping the needy and being of good heart.
I am not against those paying tithe anyways. If it works for u kip it up. D only annoying part is pple dat pay n end up hungry at home while d pastors children r abroad schooling. I dont tink dats wat God wants. Pastors shud focus more on helpin d needy nt living extravagant lifestyle.
I rest my case.
I tek God beg una mek nobody vex for my post... Its just my own opinion ooooo. Tank u in advance for ur understanding

Osashalom:
The Tithe: No controversy - Oluwamuyiwa Okuseinde

Since the hoopla about tithing surfaced, many who know my teachings on the subject in the last one decade or so have requested my opinion on the matter. My usual response had been to direct them to the Bible and to the two mini books I have written on the subject. I feel there is no point engaging in any debate with anyone. God has warned us to beware of such arguments from scoffers who would abound in the last days. But in the last one week, a dear friend and brother has put so much pressure on me, literally begging me to say something. It is therefore in response to my friend (just as Dr Luke wrote for Theophilus, Luke 1:3-4) that I'm making the following submissions, hoping also that it would be of help to every genuine seeker out there.

I will reduce my contribution to only seven of the many issues that there are on the matter.

First, the idea that the tithe is not applicable in the New Testament is false. In His comments on the attitude of the Pharisees, Jesus upbraided them for paying tithe of little things while neglecting weightier matters of the law like justice and mercy. Then Jesus made a statement that I thought is clear even for the blind to see: "these [weightier matters] ought you to have done, and not to leave the other [tithe] undone" (Matthew 23:23). How could Jesus - the New Testament personified say that a particular thing should not be left undone and a true believer in Christ will presume to say that thing is a scam? Yet the righteousness of the Christian is supposed to surpass that of the Pharisee.

Today, it is convenient for us to claim promises of the Old Testament when they suit us but when it requires that we part with our substance, we quickly remember that we are in the New Testament. That is hypocrisy.

For those who may want to know, the tithe is neither Old nor New Testament. The tithe is 'trans-testament'. It transcends both testaments and is applicable to both testaments. The tithe was definitely before the law, being practiced 430 years before the law and what did not come with the law cannot go with the law. Abraham was the first to pay it, and he gave a tithe of all the booty he brought from the war (Genesis 14:20). The "all" must have included garments, gold, silver, animals, weapons etc. This clearly faults the argument that tithe in Bible times was only from agriculture. Jacob promised God a tithe of all that God would give him and we know that Jacob was not only rich in livestock, he had monetary asset with which he bought food for his huge household during the time of famine (e.g., see Genesis 43:12).

I have heard many make that mischievous statement, that they won't pay tithe because Jesus didn't pay tithe. Did Jesus give offering? Did He build a house or own one? Didn't He say that the son of man had nowhere to lay his head? Well, just as you argue that if a man pays tithe, he should go ahead and fulfill all the other Old Testament laws, so also, since you won't pay tithe because Jesus didn't pay, you should equally refrain from giving offerings, owning a house, riding a car or flying in a plane because Jesus did none of these things. If you are not being mischievous, apply the rule to yourself and ensure that you refrain from everything Jesus didn't do, including getting married and having children.

Secondly, this idea of the tithe not being for Gentile believers is a misreading of the New Testament. In Christ Jesus, there is neither Gentile nor Jew. Christ came to destroy that dichotomy, breaking down the middle wall of partition (Ephesians 2:11-22). We have all been baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles (1 Corinthians 12:13). There is not a separate rule for Jewish Christians and another for Gentile believers. In response to such uniformed opinions, Paul asked, "Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also" (Romans 3:29).

Thirdly, the assumption that the tithe is the financial bottom line of God’s servants is false. Interestingly, none of those making this false claim have come out with empirical data to support their opinion. It will surprise you to know that in spite of the hue and cry about tithe, not more than a tenth of the church actually tithe faithfully. I know this because in the last ten years, I have been privileged to go from church to church, city to city, within and outside my country Nigeria to teach the saints on the subject of tithe.

Everywhere I go, without a single exception, approximately 90% of the congregants would respond to altar calls as tithe defaulters. This is something I have empirically verified and not a mere opinion. I find it disturbing to my rational mind that supposedly cerebral persons, even from the ivory towers, would make sweeping generalisations in matters they have not verified.

Even in the Old Testament, the Levites had other sources of income apart from the offerings of the children of Israel. While they had no inheritance as a tribe, the Levites had lands given to them in all the tribes of Israel. When the people failed to bring the tithes, the Levites resorted to working on their land. This happened during the time of Nehemiah (see Nehemiah 13:10-14).

The truth of the matter is that most servants of God are simply blessed of God, tithe or no tithe. If you are doing what God has called you to do, He will bless you. It is only a matter of time. For example, I am personally very blessed. This is the 23rd year I left my job as a university teacher to serve God full time. For more than two decades, I have not collected a dime as salary. I have a house that God built for me without a dime of any man's tithe in it. All the vehicles I have used (except two) were given to me by people. Hardly would tithes from people represent up to 10% of my sustenance (with my family) for more than two decades. When you don't know my story and you conclude that I must be living on the tithes of some people, it is both unfair and uncharitable. Sometimes to want to find out how a true man of God is sustained is like wanting to know what is talking inside the radio! It will lead to many errors.

Fourthly, to reduce the tithe to what a man eats and washes down with a glass of beer is to make mockery of sacred things. Truly, there is a biblical practice of eating a particular tithe in the house of God. But it is also clear from the Bible that the Levites were to receive the tithe as part of their sustenance. If the tithe is for you to eat, which one goes to the Levite? Doesn't it suggest already that the Bible is not talking about a singular item? In any case if the tithe is for you to eat, why should God be angry as He obviously was in Malachi if you don't want to eat? And like I always say, if the tithe is yours, it would make no sense whatsoever for God to say tithe defaulters are robbing Him. It is impossible to steal what belongs to you. If the tithe is simply something for you to eat, why would God tell defaulters to add a fifth (Leviticus 27:31)? Selecting a portion of the Scriptures to make general assertions is as wrong as it is foolish and ungodly.

A careful reading of the Scriptures shows that three different tithes were paid in Bible times, viz the Levite tithe, the festival tithe and the Poor tithe which is also called the third tithe. The tithe eaten by the giver in the house of God is the festival tithe which is done yearly. The Levite tithe (which is what the church teaches) remains the minimum irreducible obligation of God's children to His house.

Sixth, it has been observed that the major cause of the tithe discussion is the opulent lifestyle and stupendous wealth of some men of God which many assume (wrongly so) is being financed by the tithes of their members. While I won't stop you from having issues with extravagant lifestyle of some pastor, it is wrong to teach revolt against the word of God because of the actions of men. That a particular town is filled with fake or incompetent doctors won't remove the fact of the authenticity and necessity of medical practice. God's word remains true irrespective of how men behave.

Sev

Please you need to read this
https://www.nairaland.com/4184887/answers-tihte-questions#62510220

Iseoluwani:



have you ever read Hebrews and James, I bet no, if you did, u will understand tithing

Ethiopian Eunuch...reading without understanding.. u need Saint Philip

deebrain:
Anyone who takes this gentleman seriously is unfortunate.

I proudly and would proudly pay my tithe to my church. Forever.

If you like and i speak to all these nairalanders, the lagoon is always available for you and your families to jump into.

yet u call yourself a Christian by bringing people families into this,nd u still pay tithe

kokkubabboni421:
yet u call yourself a Christian by bringing people families into this,nd u still pay tithe

I would have said their generations yet unborn.

Good night and get lost.

[quote author=deebrain post=62671281]Anyone who takes this gentleman seriously is unfortunate.

I proudly and would proudly pay my tithe to my church. Forever.

If you like and i speak to all these nairalanders, the lagoon is always available for you and your families to jump into.[/quote

This doesn't sound like somethin comin from a xtian mind. Dis is what xtianity has turned to: obey your GO...whatever d bible says does not matter. It's a pity.

[quote author=adelee777 post=62691541][/quote]
Yeah yeah whatever.

Many Christians have invested so much in their ideology and traditions of men being taught to them by their G.Os and pastors to the point that even when they hear a deeper and higher truth, they're unwilling to bend and adjust to the truth because they hold their G.Os and Pastor to the position of a demi god.

But as for me and my household, I stand with the truth even if I'll stand alone!

KEEP FREEZING SOME PART OF YOU

LuvU2:
how u going to free poor people from poverty by collecting d little they have from them?

If that's d case we should all be collecting from beggars and widows around us. No? Ooops I garrit pastor Adeboye is a special messenger from God whose purpose ND calling is to stand as a Special money doubling schemer for God.

The whole process is tiring.

These men are just hustlers. How can you see a poor man suffering and all you tell him is that, he is poor because he is not paying tithe.

Instead of preaching against sin and how to make heaven, they are after people's pockets like olosho.

Rebuke:


Well, one thing I knw for sure, dis guy called Freezer abi freez end's will b vry disastrous xcept he finds salvation. Mark my word and date today: 24/11/2017.

I am so vry certain abt it......


And if yhu r going to quote me to say anything silly, jxt don't bother only jxt take note of what I said above.

You are confused.

When you see the light, you will retype.

Majority of Nigerians don't read the bible.

The Jesus they know is ",Daddy G.O. said this, Mummy.G.O. said that ".

How many of your pastors teach you to stay away from Sin ?

Stop being stupid.

derecho:
freeze isn't the issue it's the carriers of his delusion.

ok. Let's just pretend as if we didn't understand him