Seeing that Igala thread on FP today, i am force to believe Yoruba, Ibo, and Bini have shared something in common during ancient times.


I just don't know if we are somehow connected, do you have any suggestions, researches, books regarding this topic?

One thing is sure Yoruba and Benin are the same, though they both contest 'for superiority'. The area benin was occupied by Igodo something led by Ogiso. The ogiso era would be replaced by the oba era, and the name of the kingdom would be changed from Igodomigodo to Edo by Oba Eweka I Oba Eweka the first Oba of Benin is the son of Oranmiyan, the prime heir to the throne of Ile Ife and the founder of the Oyo Empire. The binis claimed they exiled a son Izoduwa (actually i believe he is in the Congo), they claimed Izoduwa is Odùduwà the first king of the Yorubas. The Igalas are a Yoruboid group but I don't know their ancestry. There are claims that Onitsha is a colony of the binis. That seems to be the connection
I might not be right ooo

proudlyYoruba:
One thing is sure Yoruba and Benin are the same, though they both contest 'for superiority'. Oba Eweka the first Oba of Benin is the son of Oranmiyan, the prime heir to the throne of Ile Ife and the founder of the Oyo Empire. The binis claimed they exiled a son Izoduwa (actually i believe he is in the Congo), they claimed Izoduwa is Odùduwà the first king of the Yorubas. The Igalas are a Yoruboid group but I don't know their ancestry. There are claims that Onitsha is a colony of the binis. That seems to be the connection
I might not be right ooo

Do you have prove to backup these claims?


What about the Okuns in Ekiti/Kogi/Kwara? coz i'm one of them.

ProudToBeAZombie:
Do you have prove to backup these claims?


What about the Okuns in Ekiti/Kogi/Kwara? coz i'm one of them.

Everything I stated are on wiki and Yorùbá classes but i can't quote wiki for you as a source.

GodDeyCraze:



Niger-Congo language

We know about that but my question is was there anytime in history when we were connected/one?

proudlyYoruba:
One thing is sure Yoruba and Benin are the same, though they both contest 'for superiority'. Oba Eweka the first Oba of Benin is the son of Oranmiyan, the prime heir to the throne of Ile Ife and the founder of the Oyo Empire. The binis claimed they exiled a son Izoduwa (actually i believe he is in the Congo), they claimed Izoduwa is Odùduwà the first king of the Yorubas. The Igalas are a Yoruboid group but I don't know their ancestry. There are claims that Onitsha is a colony of the binis. That seems to be the connection
I might not be right ooo

please stop saying or believing that Edo and yoruba are one and same, most Edo folks don't see it that way. Edo is Edo and yoruba is yoruba. We are completely different people.

ProudToBeAZombie:
Do you have prove to backup these claims?


What about the Okuns in Ekiti/Kogi/Kwara? coz i'm one of them.

WIKI
The individual historical accounts that state that the Okun people migrated from Ile-Ife is very popular and highly acceptable among the people. In version of Yagba Oral tradition for instance, the man that led a group of people to their present location was sent from Ile-Ife to establish the settlement but did not return over a long period of time to give an account of his expenditure. When he eventually returned and explained that he lost larger part of his acquired land to some other migrants, he was blamed for the loss. He responded thus in yoruba, Ìyà àgbà ló jemí , the clause from which the name Iyagba or Yagba was coined.
Ade Obayemi however opined that the okun people are aboriginals in the Niger-Benue confluence and may not have migrated to their present location from Ile-Ife .[3] The turn of events that followed the Nupe military incursion of the 19th century left the Okun people as minorities in the Northern Region of Nigeria , separated from their kiths and kins in the southwest. [4]
Till date, not so much is known about the Okun people even among other Yoruba subgroups. Furthermore, some still hold the opinion that they are not Yoruba . This opinion however, cannot be correct since the Okun people speak obvious Yoruba dialects, can still trace their roots to Ile-Ife by oral traditions, and share similar cultural traits with the other Yoruba groups. These reasons and more have made historians like Ann O' Hear to call attention to the need for further research on the Okun people and their history.

ProudToBeAZombie:
Do you have prove to backup these claims?


What about the Okuns in Ekiti/Kogi/Kwara? coz i'm one of them.

We worship same gods also. The Okun people practice Christianity, Islam and traditional African religions. Although, Okun people practice the worship of Orisa like Sango and Ogun and the consultation of Ifá (or Ihá ) as the other larger Yoruba subgroups, prominence is given to the worship of ebora , believed to be spirits who live in forests, caves, mountains, stream or rivers.

Of Yoruba-Benin I am certain of but of the Yoruba-Igbo linkage I don't know. Do you know that history has it that Oramiyan travelled a lot. He visited the Benin Kingdom that was in disarray with king to rule. He eventually married the only Kings daughter existing then. The marriage produced a son whose lineage rule till date. The title "Oba" is basically used by the Yoruba's for their King.
For the Binis to have adopted this title shows that they have had something in common with the Yorubas. Also when you observed the tradition of Owo, Ifon, Imoru, Sabo-Gida Ora, Isobe, Ute, Arimogija, Okeluse all in Ondo state and are Yoruba communities and their similarities with the Benin tradition will also believe this interrelationships.
In Benin a street is named after Owo called Ugbowo. It is also still believed that the Oba of Benin visits Ile-Ife for some rituals.
The same Oramiyan travelled down south around Delta. Also the title "Olu" is basically by the Yorubas. So for a king of a town to use such implies a kind of relationships with the descendants of Odua.
All in all up to Jebba in the north and Warri in the east the interrelationships of the Yorubas with other tribes is still a thing of debates for Historians and lover of history.

Diiet:
please stop saying or believing that Edo and yoruba are one and same, most Edo folks don't see it that way. Edo is Edo and yoruba is yoruba. We are completely different people.

It is just ego bro.
“I therefore stand before you as the 40th Oba of Benin, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan, the son of Oduduwa, whom the Benin people of that era knew as Ekaladeran, their self-exiled prince who later became ruler in Ile-Ife. The Benin people recognise Oduduwa and his origin but it is not our place to force this recognition on others outside our boundaries.“
The history of the world is a shared one and there will certainly be unexpected connections in the future. This is, thus, a time for unity and not divisiveness, a time for mutual respect, recognising that our wholeness as people is so much more than the sum of our parts.”

proudlyYoruba:
It is just ego bro.
“I therefore stand before you as the 40th Oba of Benin, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan, the son of Oduduwa, whom the Benin people of that era knew as Ekaladeran, their self-exiled prince who later became ruler in Ile-Ife. The Benin people recognise Oduduwa and his origin but it is not our place to force this recognition on others outside our boundaries.“
The history of the world is a shared one and there will certainly be unexpected connections in the future. This is, thus, a time for unity and not divisiveness, a time for mutual respect, recognising that our wholeness as people is so much more than the sum of our parts.”

Diiet, What is clear is that neither Oduduwa nor Oranmiyan coveted the Benin throne. Oduduwa delegated the throne to Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan, interestingly enough, abdicated Kingship thrones twice in favour of his sons. He abdicated the Benin throne in favour of an infant offspring in order to set up a new Empire at Oyo Ile. He thereafter abdicated his throne at Oyo ile in favour of an adult son in order to take up the Ife throne when it became vacant. Clearly, Oranmiyan’s home and heart were in Ife.

Diiet:
please stop saying or believing that Edo and yoruba are one and same, most Edo folks don't see it that way. Edo is Edo and yoruba is yoruba. We are completely different people.

If Oba of Benin can openly deny it we will agree. It is because of politics that they are claiming that. The real historians of the Benin know this. Ask yourself why the use of the title "Oba".

@ proudlyYoruba, you've have come again with this una jaundiced version of history.
You will twist history in favor of Yorubas while cunningly denigrating that of others.
In future now, the young Yorubas will carrying on with the false history fed to them.

proudlyYoruba:
It is just ego bro.
“I therefore stand before you as the 40th Oba of Benin, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan, the son of Oduduwa, whom the Benin people of that era knew as Ekaladeran, their self-exiled prince who later became ruler in Ile-Ife. The Benin people recognise Oduduwa and his origin but it is not our place to force this recognition on others outside our boundaries.“
The history of the world is a shared one and there will certainly be unexpected connections in the future. This is, thus, a time for unity and not divisiveness, a time for mutual respect, recognising that our wholeness as people is so much more than the sum of our parts.”

Diiet, What is clear is that neither Oduduwa nor Oranmiyan coveted the Benin throne. Oduduwa delegated the throne to Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan, interestingly enough, abdicated Kingship thrones twice in favour of his sons. He abdicated the Benin throne in favour of an infant offspring in order to set up a new Empire at Oyo Ile. He thereafter abdicated his throne at Oyo ile in favour of an adult son in order to take up the Ife throne when it became vacant. Clearly, Oranmiyan’s home and heart were in Ife. What they don't want to know is that just because the Chinese Empires of Han, Tang, Ming and Qing occupied the same space doesn't mean they are the same. The day the Ogiso went back to heaven that was the day Igodo thing ended and Ubinu (ilè ìbínú) started.

Habakus:
@ proudlyYoruba, you've have come again with this una jaundiced version of history.
You will twist history in favor of Yorubas while cunningly denigrating that of others.
In future now, the young Yorubas will carrying on with the false history fed to them.

I am not twisting, if you have ur own version state it bro. I made mention of Izoduwa and i quoted a speech of Oba Ewuare at his coronation. I don't fault people and religion what evidence do i have that mine is correct

Olawalepoopola & proudlyYoruba, i appreciate your comments. I'm sure that there was a time in history when we were brothers and sisters but that doesn't mean the Binis or Yorubas won't have fought each other to conquer territories just like the ancient Han nation of China and Korea.


I think we should put our differences aside and accept our similar heritages and history for our betterment.


Last week my bini neighbour told me that in her village, yoruba names are still given to children till this day. Funnily she named her daughter a Yoruba name.

proudlyYoruba:
It is just ego bro.
“I therefore stand before you as the 40th Oba of Benin, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan, the son of Oduduwa, whom the Benin people of that era knew as Ekaladeran, their self-exiled prince who later became ruler in Ile-Ife. The Benin people recognise Oduduwa and his origin but it is not our place to force this recognition on others outside our boundaries.“
The history of the world is a shared one and there will certainly be unexpected connections in the future. This is, thus, a time for unity and not divisiveness, a time for mutual respect, recognising that our wholeness as people is so much more than the sum of our parts.”

i used to think just like this before but never again will i deceive myself that there is special bond of love between Edo and yorubas.
The division is not from us but from them, and since they've chosen new identity for themselves (especailly their youths on this forum) we have no reason calling them our brothers or saying we are same lest they start suspecting us or thinking they are special. Just slight difference between them and igbo in terms of suspicion and hatred for yoruba.
Did you even see the interview one of their elders, Ajayi bembe granted to punch newspaper last week concerning lagos? If you've not seen it pls do so quickly and tell me why we should keep believing yorubas and Edo are same.

olawalepopoola:

If Oba of Benin can openly deny it we will agree. It is because of politics that they are claiming that. The real historians of the Benin know this. Ask yourself why the use of the title "Oba".

they even believe we stole the title ''OBA'' from them. I don't know if this is true or not. But i do know many of them are hating on us, the earlier we realise this the better.

Diiet:
please stop saying or believing that Edo and yoruba are one and same, most Edo folks don't see it that way. Edo is Edo and yoruba is yoruba. We are completely different people.

Na lie. Yoruba nii baba won

Diiet:
i used to think just like this before but never again will i deceive myself that there is special bond of love between Edo and yorubas.
The division is not from us but from them, and since they've chosen new identity for themselves (especailly their youths on this forum) we have no reason calling them our brothers or saying we are same lest they start suspecting us or thinking they are special. Just slight difference between them and igbo in terms of suspicion and hatred for yoruba.
Did you even see the interview one of their elders, Ajayi bembe granted to punch newspaper last week concerning lagos? If you've not seen it pls do so quickly and tell me why we should keep believing yorubas and Edo are same.

The ones on this forum are nonentities, the important ones are the royals. They are custodians of the culture and laws and they know our connection even though they have a new identity. Àjàyí was just rambling, his Awori assertion proved he doesn't know what he is saying. He claimed and he is not Yorùbá, if you aren't an Awori you are not Yorùbá if you are then you are Yorùbá. Just because we ruled Dahomey doesn't make it our very own land

Diiet:
they even believe we stole the title ''OBA'' from them. I don't know if this is true or not. But i do know many of them are hating on us, the earlier we realise this the better.

lol. They were using Ogiso now

proudlyYoruba:
The ones on this forum are nonentities, the important ones are the royals. They are custodians of the culture and laws and they know our connection even though they have a new identity. Àjàyí was just rambling, his Awori assertion proved he doesn't know what he is saying. He claimed and he is not Yorùbá, if you aren't an Awori you are not Yorùbá if you are then you are Yorùbá. Just because we ruled Dahomey doesn't make it our very own land

i quite agree with this response, only the last line i find puzling

Diiet:
i quite agree with this response, only the last line i find puzling

Dahomey in present day Benin was a tributary state to the Oyo empire before King Ghezo liberated it from Oyo. A vassal state pay tributes of 40 guns and 400 loads of cowries and corals regularly to Oyo, of course after phases of wars that made Oyo army a dread to the Dahomeyans. Can we go to Port Novo and start chasing the indigenous people out cause our forefathers ruled in 1400 thereabout. Same with Eko Idumota, the Aworis were Yorùbá they were ruled and paid tribute to the binis and they stopped paying the tribute when 'it was sure for them'

Diiet:
they even believe we stole the title ''OBA'' from them. I don't know if this is true or not. But i do know many of them are hating on us, the earlier we realise this the better.

How can it be true? The title of their kings was not oba until the arrival of oranyan at their place. Yoruba already have the oba word existing in the yoruba names and lexicon since forever. The likes of obatala, obalufon, obaluaye which are among the leaders of the so called 14 clans in ife before the decision to unite them under one king, which began the power tussle between oduduwa and obatala. So how was it theirs? They should give proof of how the word was theirs.

Opiletool:


How can it be true? The title of their kings was not oba until the arrival of oranyan at their place. Yoruba already have the oba word existing in the yoruba names and lexicon since forever. The likes of obatala, obalufon, obaluaye which are among the leaders of the so called 14 clans in ife before the decision to unite them under one king, which began the power tussle between oduduwa and obatala. So how was it theirs? They should give proof of how the word was theirs.

this is yoruba side of the history of the title OBA, they also have their own version which they strongly believe to be the truth. They believe ''kabiyesi'' is the original title of a king in yorubaland before we adopted OBA from them. Na their mouth the whole thing sweet jare.

Diiet:
this is yoruba side of the history of the title OBA, they also have their own version which they strongly believe to be the truth. They believe ''kabiyesi'' is the original title of a king in yorubaland before we adopted OBA from them. Na their mouth the whole thing sweet jare.

Kabiyesi is like saying "his royal highness", it has never been a title please. That shows how stupid they now look in a ridiculous attempt at distorting history. The benin chief that even made that claim that Yorubas stole the word mentioned a particular date [1930 or there about] does it mean that the likes of obasanjo, whose name obviously predates the particular year that mumu chief mentioned, had to start using the name after that year the Yorubas adopted the word?

I get una time for this thread!! ..... Talking to all you of Yoruba extraction!!

OBASHIP is foreign to this people, thier whole culture is an EDO copy and paste..... A complete fraud!!

One useless small boy king that goes by the name alake abi oore of whatever land tried to talk poo that this ppl are so known for and here is the befitting reply THE ESOGBAN OF THE GREAT BENIN KINGDOM GAVE TO THIS CLOWNS!!

Elose11:
BENIN—FRESH tension is brewing between the Yoruba and the Benin Traditional Council, as the Esogban of Benin Kingdom, Chief David Edebiri, described as absolute falsehood and provocative, the claim by the Oore of Mobaland, Oba James Adedapo Popoola, that until 1914, Benin Obas were buried in IIe-Ife.

He also described as untenable, the claim by Oba Popoola that the Oba of Benin is number four in the cadre of Yoruba kings. The Esogban was reacting to an interview granted by Oba Popoola to a national newspaper (not Vanguard). Speaking to Vanguard in Benin City, Chief Edebiri, who is also the Odionwere of Benin Kingdom, said the position of Oba Popoola was misleading and must not be taken seriously. According to him: “It is absolute falsehood to say that Benin Obas were taken to Ile- Ife for burial. It never happened in our history. The precursor of this present dynasty, Oranmiyan, who came from Ife as requested by the Benin people, went back alive when he felt that he could not cope with the politics of Benin. He went back to Ife. Maybe, he was the one who died there and was buried and they now claim that Benin Obas were buried in Ife. I think that is where the notion came from. The Oba that came after Oraminyan, Eweka I, died and was buried here according to Benin traditional rites, within the palace environment. No Bini man can claim to know where the kings are buried. The two successive obas, the children of Eweka 1, both of them ruled within a space of two years, they died and they were buried here. “So, I pity the Kabiyesi because in the first place, according to him, he is now 17 years on the throne. Maybe, he wants relevance and to be able to do that, he made his wild claims. But what surprises me is, why drag Benin into their problems? If he wanted relevance in his area he should not bring Benin into it. These two Obas in quick succession ruled in Benin and were not taken to Ife. “One can only imagine what it entailed at that time to carry a corpse from Benin to Ife for burial. What was the method of preservation, what was the method of transportation of the remains being carried to Ife and that was done each time an Oba here joined his ancestors? It is not true at all, absolutely untrue.

What I want to advise these people is, in the history of a people, you have history and you have fable and you have folklore. It is possible this is one of their fables which has no sanctity of historical facts. “So, to bring what I am saying vividly, the most prominent Benin king that everybody knows about is Ewuare I. I will tell you what the doyen of Benin history, Late Dr Jacob Egharevba, recorded about his death and burial that was in 1440. In the short history of Benin by Dr J.U Egharevba, page 17 says: “Ewuare died after a long reign and was buried at Esi, near Udo” Udo is in Ovia West Local Government Area, “as commanded before his death.” “This was the oba who commanded that if he died because he was sick, they should not bury him in Benin City, they should take him to Esi, his own mother’s village, to bury. Up-till this time, we are talking, the burial place is preserved, and every Oba who wants to ascend the throne in Benin must go there to perform certain ceremonies. The ascension of Oba Ewuare II was not exempted from this. So, that tells you that there is no iota of truth in the issue. It is a mere figment of their imagination. It is not true. Many of the Yoruba kings today are products of the royal family of Benin. Their lines were begun by Benin people from here but we have never said they should bring their corpses to us. “In Benin, it is a taboo to bring the corpse of your son to you. If it is true, as claimed by the Ooni of Ife who is the father of Oranmiyan which we do not dispute, and Oranmiyan did not stay here in Benin till his death, he went back to Ife, why should he wait for his grand children’s corpse to be brought to him each time any of them passesd on here? “There is no sense in it that you just sit down somewhere in Ife waiting for the corpses of your grandchildren to be brought to you. What do you do with it? So you can see that there is no sense in that” he stated. On the claim that the Oba of Benin was the fourth in the cadre of Yoruba kings, Chief Edebiri said: “This is an oba I am hearing of for the first time and I am sure many people who read that story, would have come across that news for the first time. All the cock and bull stories that he told in that interview that he is the announcer of the passage of Ooni of Ife, well that suits him, if his duty is to announce the passage of another king. “He cannot claim to be number four in Yoruba land because that is in direct conflict with what the Alake of Egbaland was saying a few months ago. The political connection we had with them, we successfully severed the connection in 1963 when we had the plebiscite that created Midwest Region. So, we have nothing to do with their classification, they can go on with whatever they think they are. The Oba of Benin cannot be classified with any of them. Maybe it is not generally known that some of the most progressive kingdoms in the Yorubaland have kings who have direct connection with the royal family of Benin. Maybe they do not even know.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/02/no-benin-oba-buried-lle-ife-esogban-benin-edebiri/