& you know the ones God called abi, he told you specifically right? Do you read your Bible at all....cos if you do, you will know about the Seven churches & false prophets ...dont be fooled by wolves in sheep clothing, read your bible & ask God for wisdom

Jesusgirl92:
point of correction Mr man.... Men of God are called by God to serve..... And by the way, I don't know the poverty you speak of... I'm royalty.... You want to know why?? My Father is a King... The King of Kings..

WomanOfRace:
I never use to pay attention to Daddy Freeze but recently that changed.

He is not against christianity...but the dubious acts of so called selfish pastors and the brainwashed members.

I stand with him on tithing.

I rather buy things, come to the Church give with to the needy than pastors that will take my money to build his personal empire and gucci shoes.

If we are to go very deep in this starting from the Genesis.. you will be shocked who the bible said to ..." this Commandment is to you, all you priests. ....let me just stop here.

Read your bible, understand the words there and follow it not the twisted, sugar coated words of most pastors they use to their own advantage.

As a Christian Christ should be your role model not pastor.

Freeze still beating them 10-0.

You have spoken well. It was when I carefully noticed that the most important things to most church pastors were: population and finance over salvation of the members, that I started to align my thought and action towards personal understanding of the bible. On the issue of tithing, how can i be recording what i decide to give privately to God in a tithe card, how would a church member be demanded to provide tithe card as the criteria to accessing some services in the church? I.e. wedding, help, etc. What difference is it to other social association? A friend traveled to another state, his pastor back home was calling him to update his tithe card without caring to ask of his present wellbeing and when he replied the pastor he has paid in his present church, the pastor started convincing message on why he should be sending the tithe back home. Funny enough, the same person was just telling me he had nothing to eat. We were both laughing at the scam. Where is the teaching of love that is the main message of Christ?! The present churches have lost it. It is now a Christianity of competition instead of complementing one another as Christlike. I implore everyone to give just 5% of their income to orphanage homes, help pay bills of those in need in the hospitals, attend to that next door neighbor's children who were driven from school because of fees and see God in action in terms of blessings. They will know that the blessing gotten from the 10% given to the church is a child's play.

OBAGADAFFI:


When is come to Religion, people act based on personal faith and believe and there is no right or wrong in that.


You should be Educated enough to Know that,
You can't call people educated illiterates because they're not practicing Religion the way to you have chosen to practice yours.
That is why there several denomination out there.

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The last time I checked nobody has been called out, arrested or jailed for not giving in Church, so who coarse who here.

You have certain fears deal with it.

Some times I go to church without giving anything and nothing happens.

Remember the noise about Christmas been Peganism ( which I don't doubt) but people are still celebrating Christmas all over the world.

No shocking think will happen Stop sensationalizing issues.

Then why are you guys running helter skelter just because of 1 man- freeze. What will happen when the same measure used by you people is used on you guys by many. Freeze alone is giving you guys sleepness night. Just know that no matter what happens, the time to be fed with the same spoon you use on others is here and you can't run away from it. You guys will keep creating threads upon threads, get ready.

BluntBoy:


Everyone is special in Christ. There is no slave or freeborn in Christ. We are one. A royal priesthood.

You are not getting my point... Even though we Christians are special breed of people, not everyone is called to start a ministry or a church... Hence my reason for using the word special..

IMASTEX:

You have spoken well. It was when I carefully noticed that the most important things to most church pastors were: population and finance over salvation of the members, that I started to align my thought and action towards personal understanding of the bible. On the issue of tithing, how can i be recording what i decide to give privately to God in a tithe card, how would a church member be demanded to provide tithe card as the criteria to accessing some services in the church? I.e. wedding, help, etc. What difference is it to other social association? A friend traveled to another state, his pastor back home was calling him to update his tithe card without caring to ask of his present wellbeing and when he replied the pastor he has paid in his present church, the pastor started convincing message on why he should be sending the tithe back home. Funny enough, the same person was just telling me he had nothing to eat. We were both laughing at the scam. Where is the teaching of love that is the main message of Christ?! The present churches have lost it. It is now a Christianity of competition instead of complementing one another as Christlike. I implore everyone to give just 5% of their income to orphanage homes, help pay bills of those in need in the hospitals, attend to that next door neighbor's children who were driven from school because of fees and see God in action in terms of blessings. They will know that the blessing gotten from the 10% given to the church is a child's play.

They will do eye as if it they are blind when they see this your truth. In my own church, they won't wed you, dedicate your child or ordain you if your tithe card is not updated monthly (tax collectors things). I left the church the day the pastor said if you don't pay tithe you will go to hell. What arrant broad daylight robbery. These men are scammers.

Jesusgirl92:
You are not getting my point... Even though we Christians are special breed of people, not everyone is called to start a ministry or a church... Hence my reason for using the word special..

Was anyone ever called to start a ministry or Church?

BluntBoy:


Was anyone ever called to start a ministry or Church?

Now I see where you're going... I'm done with you. Stay blessed.

KendrickAyomide:
He is the saviour of Nigerian Christianity... #FreeTheSheeple

daddy freeze saved me from hell. He saved me from confusion because I have Neva paid tithe with joy. I always paid grudgingly because my inner man told me it was fraud. Daddy freeze was sent by God to solve that problem of my pastors "winners chapel" intimidation with cankerworm and closed heaven. I swear in church today I was just paying attention to the pastor, he didn't say one word from the scripture that has any spiritual effect, it was centers around money, wealth, material tinz. I shook my head and said the church is finished. We are in the period of scarcity of God's word. I was shocked wen he asked for people to come and give their lives to Christ at the end of the useless sermon that didn't make any meaning to even the most demonic sinner. I will definitely change church now because I feel so spiritually empty.

Jsaviour:


Then why are you guys running helter skelter just because of 1 man- freeze. What will happen when the same measure used by you people is used on you guys by many. Freeze alone is giving you guys sleepness night. Just know that no matter what happens, the time to be fed with the same spoon you use on others is here and you can't run away from it. You guys will keep creating threads upon threads, get ready.

What do you mean by " you guys".

Tithing controversy is as as Christiandom itself.

Keep your threats to yourself.

Noting is going to happen.

The gate hell cannot prevail against the Church.

Maybe, but in the great commission, we are all called to preach, baptise and evangelise.

Jesusgirl92:
You are not getting my point... Even though we Christians are special breed of people, not everyone is called to start a ministry or a church... Hence my reason for using the word special..

KaptainAfrika:
Maybe, but in the great commission, we are all called to preach, baptise and evangelise.

Sure.

Jsaviour:


They will do eye as if it they are blind when they see this your truth. In my own church, they won't wed you, dedicate your child or ordain you if your tithe card is not updated monthly (tax collectors things). I left the church the day the pastor said if you don't pay tithe you will go to hell. What arrant broad daylight robbery. These men are scammers.

tithe card is a confirmation of their dubious nature. They are afraid the accountants who already know their business dealings will steal some of the cash so they force the members to have records so that they can audit cash. Imagine auditing cash pple give to God. 98% of the Church of our generation is fraud. They serve mammon not Jehovah or Yahweh. May God help us.

Jesusgirl92:
Now I see where you're going... I'm done with you. Stay blessed.

No, you didn't see it. No one was/is called to establish a church. Christ built His Church on the foundation of the words that came out of Peter's mouth: "Thou art the Christ, the son of the living God."

There is only one church and Christ established it.

OBAGADAFFI:


It's part of God's commandments to preach the gospel and grow the Church.

The church herself was built by Jesus Christ.

You cannot tell A Holiness Preacher like W.F. Kumuyi is preaching false doctrines, while freeze who spend all his life in show biz is preaching the truth.

Anyone can qoute the Bible to justify thier stand.

Is tithe the Gospel?

some of u guys r getting the whole tin wrongly. Daddy Freeze is not against Christianity but against tithing and the mode with which pastors are making it hard for members.
Pastors are turning the church to a money making venture. Dats realy bad

OBAGADAFFI:


What do you mean by " you guys".

Tithing controversy is as as Christiandom itself.

Keep your threats to yourself.

Noting is going to happen.

The gate hell cannot prevail against the Church.

Hahhahahhahah������. This one weak me. Did I hear you say "threats", that's you peoples logo- always threatening people who refuse to follow your Go's sheepishly. So why cry foul now. The gate of hell indeed, there won't be rest until all of you are freed from your mental slavery by pastorprenuers.

Nobody is against the church, they are only against the dubious acts of the men you worship as God.

BluntBoy:


No, you didn't see it. No one was/is called to establish a church. Christ built His Church on the foundation of the words that came out of Peter's mouth: "Thou art the Christ, the son of the living God."

There is only one church and Christ established it.

Ephesians 4: 11-13 " He gave some, apostles and some, prophets; and some, evangelist; and some, pastors and some teachers ; (12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ (13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith and for the knowledge of the son of God, Unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ".... Note that phrase He gave some... Not everybody is given that leadership... We Christians have the mandate to preach the gospel... But not everyone functions in that high level of faith... There are baby Christians/new converts... Those ones need help to grow..... In as much as we Christians preach Jesus to the world, the job doesn't end there... Babies in Christ need to be nurtured to full fledged soldiers for Christ ... That is why God gave some pastors, prophets etc for these reasons.
1) perfecting of the saints... Who are the saints? We Christians... To help us grow in faith...
2) For the work of the ministry and for edifying the body of Christ....
So you see my brother in Christ, there are people given special assignments.

NwaAmaikpe:

This post makes me believe You stole my wisdom.

hahaha Legendary Nwamaikpe

Barzinime:
& you know the ones God called abi, he told you specifically right? Do you read your Bible at all....cos if you do, you will know about the Seven churches & false prophets ...dont be fooled by wolves in sheep clothing, read your bible & ask God for wisdom

The HolySpirit reveals all things to me... All I have to do is ask.

generaliy:
It is so painful to realise that a backsliding man who has fallen from the faith and some entirely non-believing wretched sinners are now creating "standards" for the church to discuss or debate, it is a pain too much to bear for anyone who understands what the church should be doing presently in the programme of God.

It is more painful to see supposed Christians carried away by "Every wind of doctrine", making a shipwreck of their faith after reading a few well crafted doctrinal errors laced with generous overdose of heresies.

The problem of the church is fundamental, it is not spontaneous as it seems, it is a gradual, systematic, stealth but not invisible departure from the basics, a gradual lowering of standards, a shift from the pattern as laid by the early Apostles...depth in the word seems not to matter anymore, and we created trouble, without knowing it, or maybe we knew, but we just felt it's not much of a trouble and played indifference.

This is like the proverbial iroko tree hitherto left to thrive by the landowner's indifference, which later grows into a sacrifice-demanding demi god, we are all paying the price for our consistent inconsistencies, our unattended "minors", we all nurtured this demonic iroko to its present height, only to discover it's a harbinger of terror, horror and pain!

The church has departed from systematic study of the scriptures, searching the scriptures now seems tedious and unattractive, in its stead, we have created events, several of them, it is not uncommon to see banners after banners, from Oshodi to Ojota, from Allen to Ajah, promoting shows after shows, music shows, comedy shows, business sessions, and what have you, seeing a church banner of events dedicated solely to bible studies is now harder than having a camel pass through the needle eye!

Brother "A" is new in church, in our bid to prevent the next church adjacent our's from snatching him, we give him positions meant for the bone-chewers while he's yet to master the art of digesting milk properly, we award Phd honours to elementary level Christians, shame!

We have consequences, Pastors who are barely born again, Christians without root, easily swayed, not unflinching in convictions, they rely on the next CDs from "Papa", and bingo, add from knowledge gained from some motivational classes, the Bible is just an addition to support their speeches of errors and intrinsic balderdash, the church yells at their mastery of choice words, somebody shouts hallelujah, they're urged to ride on and preach more, yet rhema is alien to the man on the pulpit, basic scriptural convictions are replaced with "philosophies of men so called"!

The only solution to these fundamentals is the Holy Spirit, unfortunately, He has been largely impersonated and extensively misrepresented, the blubbering in senseless conjuction of "Skabash" and "Yadoosa" has been sold to millions as the Spirit of Yahweh, no, that's no Yahweh spirit, it's purely "Yahoo", fraudulent tongues in the name of Jesus!

If you're lucky to find yourself in a Bible believing church (There can be differences in administration, doctrines are NOT meant to differ, the Bible is ONE and should remain so), dig and keep digging for more rhema, if you're not convinced in your spirit (Your pastors do not rebuke you for your sins, instead, you're rewarded and applauded because you can easily drop seeds ans commitments) then find your way out quickly, very quickly!

If and only if you could get to the extent of being deeply rooted, a million Daddy freeze will no longer be your challenge, rather, you'll be challenged to pray for him to see the light, you'll not curse his soul, you'll take it to his maker in prayers!

Ilesanmi Iyanu Samuel writes from Lagos, Nigeria.

You have absolutely nothing to say.
Daddy freeze quoted scriptures to support his assertions and gain acceptance. But you and your pastors have no scriptural backing to oppose him. Hence your pastors remain mute. I hope that their next action is not to assassinate him

Barzinime:
And the reason is poverty..I'm very sure if Nigeria was ok...you will hardly find people in church... Monday morning you will see young Nigerian in church cos of Joblessness

That's one of the most annoying thing, on a Monday morning wen most people are looking for daily bread you will see them holding program in church and if u talk against it they will tag u as unbeliever

OBAGADAFFI:


Duh, even the devil qouted the Bible to tempt Jesus Christ, what is special about freeze quoting Bible.



Christians should just ignores the boy to his ways

If you read the Bible with understanding, you would have read that Jesus quoted more scriptures to counter Satan. How come your pastors can't even quote just one scripture to successfully counter this "satan"? Are you saying this Satan knows Bible more than your pastors? Shame on your pastors then. They just got defeated in a spiritual battle.

Jsaviour:


They will do eye as if it they are blind when they see this your truth. In my own church, they won't wed you, dedicate your child or ordain you if your tithe card is not updated monthly (tax collectors things). I left the church the day the pastor said if you don't pay tithe you will go to hell. What arrant broad daylight robbery. These men are scammers.

Imagine. . .
Sometimes they forget that if Jesus wanted everybody to be a Christian by force. He would have done that during His presence on earth. He made things so simple. He preached love, mercy & salvation, offering choice at the same time. Well, I blame everything on poor governance in Nigeria. People are left with hopes and prayers to accessing the basic need that ought to be their right. The pastors know people don't read the bible and they seek after magic. So, they sell the gospel to them in form of tithes. Threat is implore to achieving that.

Jsaviour:


Hahhahahhahah������. This one weak me. Did I hear you say "threats", that's you peoples logo- always threatening people who refuse to follow your Go's sheepishly. So why cry foul now. The gate of hell indeed[b], there won't be rest [/b] ;Duntil all of you are freed from your mental slavery by pastorprenuers.

Nobody is against the church, they are only against the dubious acts of the men you worship as God.

Lol,
I am resting and having fun right now.

Your unrest can't stop my rest.

Your headache is for your head alone.

If you feel so emotional about the issue, go to Court.

It is well with this tithing issue.

Jesusgirl92:
Ephesians 4: 11-13 " He gave some, apostles and some, prophets; and some, evangelist; and some, pastors and some teachers ; (12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ (13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith and for the knowledge of the son of God, Unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ".... Note that phrase He gave some... Not everybody is given that leadership... We Christians have the mandate to preach the gospel... But not everyone functions in that high level of faith... There are baby Christians/new converts... Those ones need help to grow..... In as much as we Christians preach Jesus to the world, the job doesn't end there... Babies in Christ need to be nurtured to full fledged soldiers for Christ ... That is why God gave some pastors, prophets etc for these reasons.
1) perfecting of the saints... Who are the saints? We Christians... To help us grow in faith...
2) For the work of the ministry and for edifying the body of Christ....
So you see my brother in Christ, there are people given special assignments.

My sister, what "church" do you attend?

I have heard you o Jesusgirl

Jesusgirl92:
The HolySpirit reveals all things to me... All I have to do is ask.

So everyone that preside over a church is called by God?

Jesusgirl92:
You are not getting my point... Even though we Christians are special breed of people, not everyone is called to start a ministry or a church... Hence my reason for using the word special..

generaliy:


Gullible sheep?

You need to calm down and seek God yourself, I won't argue with you.

Edited: I wonder why y'all are tagging this post to tithing as if that's the only thing freeze has condemned the church on, I can see lots of unbelievers jumping on a post that seeks to address issues affecting Christianity, it's not surprising because it's an age where attacks against the church has been made popular.

The attacks on this post however does not stop the lessons from being learnt by those primarily concerned, the church.

The Church is built already, a million gates of hell can NEVER prevail against it!

And you think you are addressing the church here. I like your message though

BluntBoy:


My sister, what "church" do you attend?

lemme ask you a question.... What do you call RCCG, MFM, Winners, Assemblies of God?? Churches or what?

Jesusgirl92:
lemme ask you a question.... What do you call RCCG, MFM, Winners, Assemblies of God?? Churches or what?

Religious organizations.

OBAGADAFFI:



Lol,
I am resting and having fun right now.

Your unrest can't stop my rest.

Your headache is for your head alone.

If you feel so emotional about the issue, go to Court.

Where is the rest if you are already having nightmares and sleepless nights because of freeze alone.

The unrest is for you guys who want to commit suicide because some people touched their Go's source of income.
I don't always have time for religious slavery and acts like you guys and as such unaffected by it.
I am only trying to respond to you guys 'pleading for supporters' thread.

Whether you like it or not the sleepless nights will continue to you guys until Jesus comes to save you from the gullible state your Go has put you.

Don't worry, I will be praying for you to receive freedom and experience the kind of joy that surpasses all understanding like me which can only happen when you become an independent child of God and not a baby tossed to and fro by one tout.