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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Iphy24: 3:14pm On Nov 28, 2017
Visa approved today.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by erniesail: 3:21pm On Nov 28, 2017
Iphy24:
Visa approved today.


Congratulations....
Pls post ur transcripts for the benefit of us that are yet to go for our interview. Thanks

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by LagosismyHome(f): 3:36pm On Nov 28, 2017
Iphy24:
Visa approved today.

Congrats........... God bless your new journey

Was this to the graduate pathway program ?

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by k199192: 3:43pm On Nov 28, 2017
hello shakz as of today, 13th of december was available. i just booked my appointment now.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by bigfrancis21: 3:44pm On Nov 28, 2017
Kayme:

Is there a website that lists all STEM programs for USA ? I've seen so many lists online but not sure of their accuracy.



https://www.ice.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Document/2016/stem-list.pdf

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by k199192: 3:45pm On Nov 28, 2017
Iphy24:
Visa approved today.

congratulations. mine is in two weeks. my people say, if you wish someone well good things will come to you. cheesy

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by biikeys(m): 3:46pm On Nov 28, 2017
paulavon:
Sorry man for the denial, you just have to brace up.
You did very well in the interview but the problem I see here is the lack of correlation between your undergraduate course I.e computer science, working in a bank and going for masters in Maths and statistics.Masters in computer science or information technology would have made more sense with you working in the IT department. I wish you all the best as you refire.

That on its own is not a red flag. Apart from your interview, things you fill in your DS-160, your 'family record', composure (to determine if you're lying or not) and the VO factor play a big role in determining whether you get a visa or not.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by CodedTobx(m): 3:46pm On Nov 28, 2017
Iphy24:
Visa approved today.
Congrats
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by AyoPrudence(m): 3:49pm On Nov 28, 2017
Iphy24:
Visa approved today.
Congratulations
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by bigfrancis21: 3:51pm On Nov 28, 2017
k199192:

I have seen this post like three times in the past two days. my opinion goes thus. I believe there are various ways now one can send money directly to his Nigerian account regardless of your location. Why come here and be asking for naira when you can get it conveniently from wherever you are? It boils down to the saying "if it's too good to be true, it's a scam". You may be legit for all I know but the way you are advertising it is suspicious. Walsprings does the same transactions for people but you Don't see him advertising himself. It's just an opinion though and common sense. And does anyone need dollar to pay flight ticket? You can always do whatever transaction at the airport.

Do not be quick to judge. I know Mekurexx personally. Exchange of Dollar/Naira between people who have both is a common and easy way of sending money back home or receiving money from home now, especially due to the forex restriction/ban placed on Naira. For example, some students have Naira in their account from their parents but are unable to withdraw it here due to low withdrawal limits and what they do is find someone, preferably here in the US, who has Dollars to sell, say $2000, then they agree at an exchange rate and exchange currencies (the student with Naira transfers the Naira amount into the Dollar seller's Naira account, and the Dollar seller gives/pays in the Dollars into the student's US account). This is cost-effective and a preferred way by many as there are no transaction fees (that you get with money gram or western union) involved.

I understand the Nigerian mentality and having trust issues but do not be in a hurry to judge. You probably will find yourself needing to buy or sell dollars this same way after you arrive.

Justwise, if you can please unhide Mekurrex's post. I know him very well, down to his family. He is a good person.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by bigfrancis21: 4:02pm On Nov 28, 2017
jerrypeacelinks:
My people, indeed it takes courqge to come up here to post your denial transcript o. The moment I was denied, I felt like the ground should open lemme fall into it or even disappear into thin air but now, it seems am better and stronger now emotionally.

Now, here comes my denial cry

Visa Interview Denied at the Lagos embassy today 7am. Consular was a dark American lady at Windows 9.

VO: Good morning. (No smiles whatsoever). Pass me your i-20 and passport.

Me: Good morning. (Me smiling and thinking, madam smile for once kwanu) I passed my documents)

VO: I see, you are going to study Maths and Statistics at TAMUK, Texas?

Me: (Smiling) Yes.

VO: What is your highest qualification?
Me: I hold a BSc in Computer Science.

VO: You said?
Me: I repeated.

VO: Okay. When did you graduate?

Me: November 2011.

VO: and since then what have you been doing?

Me: After my graduation, I embarked upon the compulsory NYSC experience which elapsed in 2013 and I secured a job at XYZ bank.

VO: Okay what do you do for them?

Me: I stated my responsibilities.

VO: How long have you been working ?

Me: over 3 years. January 2018 will make it 4 years at the bank.

VO: So what will this course do for you?

Me: It will equip me with the analytical and technical skills needed to flourish in my career. It will also help facilitate my promotion at my place of work.

VO: Why did you choose this school?

Me: Asides the fact that they offered me my concentration, they also offered me a free campus scholarship housing with an instate tuition waiver which will allow me enjoy paying my fees as an instate Texan resident.

VO: Quickly grabs my i-20 like say she b Russian grin. But I can't see any free housing scholarship on your i-20.

Me: Yes and that is because the email came later after i-20 was issued.

VO: Okay? Can I see the letter?

Me: I passed it.
VO: Nodding her head. Okay?

VO: How many schools did you apply to?

Me: I applied to three schools.

VO: Did you write any language test scores?

Me: Yes. I sat for toefl and GRE.

VO: Can I see them?

Me: Showed them.

VO: Okay? Tell me the requirement for this course.

Me: To complete this course, I will complete a total of 30 credit units of course work which include 18 credit unit of core course work, 6 units of elective, and 6 units of thesis. The course duration is 24months starting from January 10th 2018 and will end in December 2019.

VO: Sorry, can you take it all over again?

Me: I stated it again but in a remixed version. grin

VO: Have you travelled out of the country before?

Me: Not really. And that is because I have not had any reason to until after now.

VO: Okay? Who is your sponsor?

Me: My dad is my sponsor. He is this and that �.

VO: Well, I will be issuing you (I come dey happy for my mind)... She continued... the denial paper, this is because you were not found eligible for a visa according to Section 214 (B) of the US Immigration and Nationality act. Blablabla.. The rest no even near my ear as I was like? What happened? (Maybe VO even heard me talking to myself). I had to hide my blue paper so that one of us a nairalander who was warming up for hers won't be demoralized.

I marched out like an old major ;Dwhile people dey hail me congrats sir, anything dey for the boys? In my mind, I was still asking, what happened?

House? Abeg make una gather come sit for my head o. At a time I wanted to ask VO if we can start the interview all over again.

Well? Denial is not failure though. I shall return to retire after the house is done sitting on top my matter.

I think you really answered your questions correctly, for the most part. I did notice, though, that the F1 student visa questions have become quite tougher than they were during my time. Back then, if you answered the basic questions (as we used to analyze them back in 2013 and 2014) correctly you would probably be approved. Another trend I sometimes notice is some actually serious students are denied the first time and approved the second time. It is as if they know that if denied, most likely you would reapply again, which is extra bucks for the embassy. N64,000 per interview, multiplied by the thousands of people that go to the embassy 5 days a week. The amount of money that the US embassy generates from Nigeria alone every year would most likely exceed billions of Dollars, how much more from all their embassies worldwide. From an economic view, this is money making business for the US embassy.

Anyway, you just have to try again. Sometimes you could be very much prepared and be a genuine student but meet the wrong visa officer. Cheer up and give it a second try.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Nobody: 4:02pm On Nov 28, 2017
Post graduate denied visa is far more than Bachelor degree... just observing wink
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Nobody: 4:09pm On Nov 28, 2017
mcabidoh:
Dear Nairalanders, I have been a silent follower of this thread for some weeks now and this thread has been very helpful for me.
I had my Visa interview today in Lagos, I was the first person to be interviewed by a Lady (can't remember the window)
My transcript below:

VO: good morning
ME: Good morning
VO: Why are you going to the US
ME: I am going for my masters degree program in computer engineering at University of Louisianna at Lafayette.
VO: Why US, why not go to India
ME: the US is the birthplace for computer networks and is a global leader in research and development of network technologies and security protocols. Studying in the US will afford me global exposure as well as………..(She cut me short here)
VO: what is your highest academic qualification.
ME: I have a Bachelor’s degree B.Eng Electrical & Electronics Engineering.
VO: tell me about your program, study plan
ME: my program is 36 credit unit courses for 4 semesters, 9 credit per semester and I’ll be taking courses like principles of computer commnunications, data mining, telecoms systems, network integrity & security protocols (she cut me short again)
VO: What is your career plan
ME: I career goal is to be a technical consultant (apparently she heard contractor) in networking and security field.
VO: have you handled any contracts so far?
ME: Excuse me?? (I was wondering where contractor came in from)
VO: You said your career goal is to be a contractor.
ME: No, I said consultant not contractor,tehnical consultant in networking
VO: Oh okay. So who would be paying for your education
ME: I got graduate tuition fellowship from the school and my uncle will be paying my fees (she cut me short)
VO: Your I-20 doesn’t state you have any fellowships from the school, it only states your family funds
ME: Yes, that’s because I got the fellowship from the school after my I-20 was issued. I have the letter from the school showing this (about to stretch the letter when she asked the next question)
VO: When did you graduate from school and what I’ve you been doing since then,
ME: I graduated in 2012, after which I embarked on a one year mandatory NYSC program. Immediatel after this I joined Huawei technologies where I’ve been working till now as an IP/Datacommunications engineer.
VO: what do you do?
ME: I’m a network engineer, my responsibilities include network design and planning, implementation & deployment, troubleshooting any IP transport related issues.
VO: what will you be doing in the US after your program
ME: I will return to Nigeria to rejoin Huawei technologies
VO: Rejoin Huawei? Are you sure you will have a place in Hauwei?
ME: Yes I’m sure,
VO: Are you guaranteed this?
ME: Yes I already have study leave from work
VO: DO you have any proof of this? Any letter from your employers to back this up
ME: I don’t have this with me here.
VO: Types for a minute, then blue paper…………….

I intend to get a study leave letter from work before the end of this week, then refire again. Gurus in the house, Kindly scrutinize my transcript, all criticisms are welcomed. I need as much information as possible before going again.
LOL! Sorry for your denial. The VO is right to doubt your ability to return to that company, so to speak. It seems that he or she knew exactly what is going on there.

The gospel truth is you can't return to that organization. Not even after your studies. That is why when you said yes, he or she went ahead to ask are you guaranteed this? The place sucks because some Nigerians messed it up. You need to think about something unique to say apart from this company.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by k199192: 4:13pm On Nov 28, 2017
EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
Honestly, if you believe in God, and thinks he sits down somewhere and does Tum-bum Tum-bum analysis on who gets a visa and who gets rejected, then your height of delusion is through the roof. grin grin grin
Ezeigbo1ofimo you have come again.. if i ask you question now you will say check my signature. my interview is next two weeks... give tips thanks

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by barnykiss: 4:15pm On Nov 28, 2017
Iphy24:
Visa approved today.
congrat
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Stanleych007: 4:31pm On Nov 28, 2017
Please bro how did you track this.. Kindly advice..
Sharles:
My visa app has changed from A.P to ISSUED today, exactly two weeks after my interview. Please my people, how long will it take before I get my passport.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Niv25: 4:39pm On Nov 28, 2017
pls guys...what's gonna be the exchange rate in paying my tuition fees...am I going to be charged the normal normal dollar rate...or its there an official exchange rate from CBN for students schooling abroad? if so how much and how does it work? pls guys I need your replies ASAp!
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by folmus: 4:46pm On Nov 28, 2017
Niv25:
pls guys...what's gonna be the exchange rate in paying my tuition fees...am I going to be charged the normal normal dollar rate...or its there an official exchange rate from CBN for students schooling abroad? if so how much and how does it work? pls guys I need your replies ASAp!

Nigerian banks wont charge you the official rate with your Naira acct. Na black market. To be sure, buy sth online with $ as the currency and see the exchange rate.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Stanleych007: 4:48pm On Nov 28, 2017
You almost got your visa until that leave of absense talk. No Chinese firm would do that..Try and refire but this time avoid those coming back to resume in Huawei talk..Good luck..
mcabidoh:
Dear Nairalanders, I have been a silent follower of this thread for some weeks now and this thread has been very helpful for me.
I had my Visa interview today in Lagos, I was the first person to be interviewed by a Lady (can't remember the window)
My transcript below:

VO: good morning
ME: Good morning
VO: Why are you going to the US
ME: I am going for my masters degree program in computer engineering at University of Louisianna at Lafayette.
VO: Why US, why not go to India
ME: the US is the birthplace for computer networks and is a global leader in research and development of network technologies and security protocols. Studying in the US will afford me global exposure as well as………..(She cut me short here)
VO: what is your highest academic qualification.
ME: I have a Bachelor’s degree B.Eng Electrical & Electronics Engineering.
VO: tell me about your program, study plan
ME: my program is 36 credit unit courses for 4 semesters, 9 credit per semester and I’ll be taking courses like principles of computer commnunications, data mining, telecoms systems, network integrity & security protocols (she cut me short again)
VO: What is your career plan
ME: I career goal is to be a technical consultant (apparently she heard contractor) in networking and security field.
VO: have you handled any contracts so far?
ME: Excuse me?? (I was wondering where contractor came in from)
VO: You said your career goal is to be a contractor.
ME: No, I said consultant not contractor,tehnical consultant in networking
VO: Oh okay. So who would be paying for your education
ME: I got graduate tuition fellowship from the school and my uncle will be paying my fees (she cut me short)
VO: Your I-20 doesn’t state you have any fellowships from the school, it only states your family funds
ME: Yes, that’s because I got the fellowship from the school after my I-20 was issued. I have the letter from the school showing this (about to stretch the letter when she asked the next question)
VO: When did you graduate from school and what I’ve you been doing since then,
ME: I graduated in 2012, after which I embarked on a one year mandatory NYSC program. Immediatel after this I joined Huawei technologies where I’ve been working till now as an IP/Datacommunications engineer.
VO: what do you do?
ME: I’m a network engineer, my responsibilities include network design and planning, implementation & deployment, troubleshooting any IP transport related issues.
VO: what will you be doing in the US after your program
ME: I will return to Nigeria to rejoin Huawei technologies
VO: Rejoin Huawei? Are you sure you will have a place in Hauwei?
ME: Yes I’m sure,
VO: Are you guaranteed this?
ME: Yes I already have study leave from work
VO: DO you have any proof of this? Any letter from your employers to back this up
ME: I don’t have this with me here.
VO: Types for a minute, then blue paper…………….

I intend to get a study leave letter from work before the end of this week, then refire again. Gurus in the house, Kindly scrutinize my transcript, all criticisms are welcomed. I need as much information as possible before going again.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by jerrypeacelinks(m): 4:51pm On Nov 28, 2017
biikeys:


That on its own is not a red flag. Apart from your interview, things you fill in your DS-160, your 'family record', composure (to determine if you're lying or not) and the VO factor play a big role in determining whether you get a visa or not.

I think my denial was either the VO factor or in my response to her question, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS COURSE. The only question I may say I didn't answer well is where she asked WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS COURSE?

I replied by telling her I will need to complete 30 credit units and even mentioned some of the core courses I was to take. That's the place I am very very sure I may be confused about the answer.

As for composure, I was a 1001% composed and a nairalander here who got her visa today can attest to that fact. She too is confused as I got a denial today. I am most confused even.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by HonNellymike12(m): 4:53pm On Nov 28, 2017
Stanleych007:
You almost got your visa until that leave of absense talk. No Chinese firm would do that..Try and refire but this time avoid those coming back to resume in Huawei talk..Good luck..

I thought as much, Huawei will never give u a study leave, majority of the staff are contract staff if not all self. Good luck with d new application.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by LagosismyHome(f): 4:56pm On Nov 28, 2017
jerrypeacelinks:


I think my denial was either the VO factor or in my response to her question, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS COURSE. The only question I may say I didn't answer well is where she asked WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS COURSE?

I replied by telling her I will need to complete 30 credit units and even mentioned some of the core courses I was to take. That's the place I am very very sure I may be confused about the answer.

As for composure, I was a 1001% composed and a nairalander here who got her visa today can attest to that fact. She too is confused as I got a denial today. I am most confused even.

This thing can be very unpredictable .... you can do all the right things and a VO will say no . Dont give up. Refire and go back. But still review your interview today and say how could i have done it better and go back.

See if your i20 can be amended and resent. If time is too short then ok
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by platypelloid: 4:57pm On Nov 28, 2017
Respect All,
Iba o
Please house which one is the best textbook for GRE?
Is Kaplan a good one?
I don't wanna read amiss!!!

Please what is the best way/material to read to really ace this GRE??
Please help house
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by EZEIGBO1OFIMO: 4:57pm On Nov 28, 2017
k199192:

Ezeigbo1ofimo you have come again.. if i ask you question now you will say check my signature. my interview is next two weeks... give tips thanks
lol, my signature has casted grin grin . getting an F-1 seems to be getting harder these days.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by folmus: 4:58pm On Nov 28, 2017
jerrypeacelinks:


I think my denial was either the VO factor or in my response to her question, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS COURSE. The only question I may say I didn't answer well is where she asked WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS COURSE?

I replied by telling her I will need to complete 30 credit units and even mentioned some of the core courses I was to take. That's the place I am very very sure I may be confused about the answer.

As for composure, I was a 1001% composed and a nairalander here who got her visa today can attest to that fact. She too is confused as I got a denial today. I am most confused even.

What else do you want to say about requirements? Thats the answer. What will you do to get this degree in simple terms

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by folmus: 5:00pm On Nov 28, 2017
platypelloid:
Respect All,
Iba o
Please house which one is the best textbook for GRE?
Is Kaplan a good one?
I don't wanna read amiss!!!

Please what is the best way/material to read to really ace this GRE??
Please help house

Your no 1 book should be the Official Guide from ETS. Any other can be supplementary.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by LagosismyHome(f): 5:00pm On Nov 28, 2017
mcabidoh:

VO: what will you be doing in the US after your program
ME: I will return to Nigeria to rejoin Huawei technologies
VO: Rejoin Huawei? Are you sure you will have a place in Hauwei?
ME: Yes I’m sure,
VO: Are you guaranteed this?
ME: Yes I already have study leave from work
VO: DO you have any proof of this? Any letter from your employers to back this up
ME: I don’t have this with me here.
VO: Types for a minute, then blue paper…………….

I intend to get a study leave letter from work before the end of this week, then refire again. Gurus in the house, Kindly scrutinize my transcript, all criticisms are welcomed. I need as much information as possible before going again.

Never say anything you dont have proof or cant back up.... after your masters there will be loads of opportunities in Nigeria that your skills can be used for

Best to use that but if you want to stick with this then yes a letter as everything should be evidence based . If there time get a corrected i20 if there no time then ok go with what you have

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Cephas0009: 5:01pm On Nov 28, 2017
good day family... I had my visa interview today. Like someone rightly pointed, its getting tougher by the day embarassed.. But this is not to create panic. I just believe all will end well.

In my own case, i just believe it was God's doing. Not to bore you so much, I was interviewed by a guy in Window 6here goes my transcript;

V.O: good morning
Me: Good Morning, how are you doing?
V.O: Fine thank you (in my mind, this is going to turn out good)... Pass me your passport and I-20 please
Me: passes
V.O.: Why are you going to TAMUK?
Me: For my Masters degree in Mechanical Engineering
V.O.: How many schools did you apply to?
Me: 3, Tamuk. Sdsm&t and TTU
V.O.: So why Tamuk?
Me: Tamuk offers excellent education to its student through high quality teaching, research and scholarly activities. It has facility for work in Computer aided engineering design and computational fluid dynamics. I am keen on working with Dr. Johnbull. I contacted him and he was impressed with my undergraduate result and test scores(if only i know i hyped myself in his eyes at this point embarassed cry) . I continued, We will be working on a collaborative project with UofW to model their steam generator using ansys fluent or open foam

Now this is where the real driling started... Baba was on his computer for like 2minutes or so, apparently he was checking online for questions to ask me on fluid dynamics since i claimed i was a badass. i have read so many transcripts here on NL, i havent seen something like that before, the most they do is ask one technical question in your field. Then the bombshell followed...

V.O: Tell me about di-kinikan kinikan of fluid mechanics (i swear i never hear am before, in my mind, i was like village people finally followed me to this place)
Me: What?
V.O: Repeated question again ( i still couldn't make sense of what the word means or how to link it with fluid mechanics... My own don be, i asked what again) Then he repeated the question for the 3rd time using the same word and then he was like "or how is it pronounced".. that was when i knew baba just checked something randomly, i dont know where the courage came from, i just started saying this unplanned rubbish confidently and even said it has application in production industry like coca cola
V.o: (obviously wasnt impressed by my answer, i could read that) then he asked for something something on turbulent flow
Me: Confidently, Turbulent flow is a flow where reynolds no is >3000. where you have layers of fluid interwoven into each other. It has application in oil production and undesirable in some circumstances, as a result, you see flow meters and other measuring devices on line (trust me, I dont have an idea of either the question or how the answer i was giving relates with it)
V.O.: Explain Bernoulli's principle
Me.: (Ope ooo, finally i can breathe) Bernoulli principle is basically the law of conservation of energy, the cumulative energy at one end of a flow is equal to the other end, so when you vary a parameter like diameter, you will expect a change in pressure. i gave him an instance of a venturi meter

TBC

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by LagosismyHome(f): 5:06pm On Nov 28, 2017
Cephas0009:
good day family...

TBC

TBC

Is this a suspense Movie or is this the new released version of doing transcript ...

abi NEPA don off light . grin

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by femi312: 5:10pm On Nov 28, 2017
bigfrancis21:


Do not be quick to judge. I know Mekurexx personally. Exchange of Dollar/Naira between people who have both is a common and easy
I agree with you but I think his own skeptism arose from the fact that you can send money home now using boxypay and wordremit in no time and at minima cost with no trust issues involved.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Beautyaddy: 5:10pm On Nov 28, 2017
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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 12 by Beautyaddy: 5:10pm On Nov 28, 2017
LagosismyHome:


Never say anything you dont have proof or cant back up.... after your masters there will be loads of opportunities in Nigeria that your skills can be used for

Best to use that but if you want to stick with this then yes a letter as everything should be evidence based . If there time get a corrected i20 if there no time then ok go with what you have

Lol!!...I like your wishful thinking...but if it's to convince the VOs then that's not a bad idea. cool

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